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All Blacks will thrash France on Saturday

Cam Roigard of New Zealand makes a break during the International Test match between New Zealand All Blacks and France at Forsyth Barr Stadium on July 05, 2025 in Dunedin, New Zealand. (Photo by Joe Allison/Getty Images)
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I think the All Blacks will thrash France on Saturday. 

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Well, let me clarify that slightly. I’ll be appalled if they don’t. 

There’s a couple of reasons why I believe Saturday’s second match in this three-test series won’t be a contest. The first, is that I suspect France have fired their best shot and, second, I don’t believe the All Blacks are entirely stupid. 

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New Zealand’s 31-27 win over France in Dunedin was embarrassing for the hosts. Not because France opted not to bring a full-strength team to these shores, but because the brand of rugby played by the All Blacks was so inappropriate for the occasion. 

France had a debutant playing at first five-eighth and still gave the All Blacks a lesson in how to play test rugby. 

New Zealand, by contrast, appeared determined to play Super Rugby, despite boasting playmakers in Beauden Barrett and Damian McKenzie with almost 200 test caps between them. 

I’m no fan of Super Rugby. There’s no doubt it provides poor preparation for the international arena, compared to what France’s B team rolled out. 

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If you ever wondered whether the Top 14 was simply where ageing international players went to get one last payday, you got your answer. 

If the All Blacks’ brainstrust can’t see how limited but effective France were and how frivolous and profligate they were by comparison, then they’re all in the wrong jobs. 

The All Blacks had enough ball to win the first test by 40 points. They had the perfect conditions they crave, almost every first-choice player available and were facing opponents of only modest ability. 

I was thinking back to the June test matches of 1998, ahead of this series. 

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Back then, England were the opponents. They sent a depleted squad themselves, while the All Blacks were going through the transition from being a team led by gnarled veterans such as Sean Fitzpatrick and Zinzan Brooke and into one that quickly became mentally frail. 

Most folk won’t need reminding that the All Blacks ended 1998 with five defeats on the trot. 

But we weren’t to know that in June. At that time we still regarded the team as ruthless and all-conquering. 

And so it proved against England, who were beaten 64-22 in Dunedin and then 40-10 at Eden Park. 

The ferocity and accuracy of the All Blacks’ play was simply too much for England and points flowed off the back of that physical domination. 

I wondered if there were parallels to be drawn between then and now. I wondered if this All Blacks team would be similarly clinical against these token 2025 tourists. 

I certainly hoped that would be the case. 

The All Blacks did at least win last week. It’s just that the manner of that victory showed glaring holes in the team’s strategy. 

It was rugby played without thought. It was lazy, complacent. It was the kind of footy you dish up after growing fat on flogging inept Super franchises for months. 

That’s what I meant about the All Blacks not being entirely stupid. I mean, surely they recognise that the style of rugby they sought to play last Saturday isn’t fit for purpose against France B/C let alone a truly formidable test line-up. 

Because, if they don’t, then you wonder what hope there is for this team. 

Regardless of the inadequacies of Super Rugby, Barrett and McKenzie aren’t Joris Segonds. That wasn’t their first rodeo and they of all people shouldn’t need to be shown how to control a test match by a 28-year-old journeyman on debut. 

Not for the first time, I watched Saturday’s test and felt for an All Blacks forward pack that’s done its job, only to see the backs make a bit of a hash of theirs. 

Sport always offers the opportunity to atone. What was bad one week can quickly become good the next and I have sufficient faith in the All Blacks’ collective intelligence to believe they’ll be better this time around. 

It’ll be a bit of a worry if they’re not.

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FW 309 days ago

Just imagine France wins

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RG 309 days ago

Sad that the level of nz rugby commentators, writers and presenters have stooped to this level of arrogance. I guess it’s one way of getting eyeballs on their pages.

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MC 310 days ago

Gosh this article is going to age poorly.

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Jacque 310 days ago

Get ready to be “appalled”

I think some fans are still trapped in their mind that this is an ALL STAR All Black team like 10 years ago. Those days are long gone fellas.

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unknown 310 days ago

N o Hamish they were missing 4 1st choice forewards. Lost awinger in the first 5 minutes

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unknown 310 days ago

And introduced 4 debutantes with 2 positional switches, discipline terrific only 4 penalties. perfect line out. Solid scrum. .3 tries chalked off. At least one of which was dubious No clear signs a knock on. Busy body TMO should not have intervened unasked unless it was clear and obvious, which it certainly wasn’t. First game for ABs the French played England the week before. French teams turns up to play! Shut the front door! Get a grip! Your assessment is way sloppier than the AB’s were against France

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Jmann 310 days ago

100% - ABs were 20-25 points a better team. Embarrassing they didn’t capitalise on their opportunities. Even with the over-zealous officiating.

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SadersMan 310 days ago

Not reading this tripe, noone should.

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JB 310 days ago

Lots of lazy “click bait” stuff in this article.


No analysis, for example, to support the claim that the AB’s tried to play Super Rugby. What does that even mean? Super Rugby starts in summer, and ends in winter. It completely changes over the course of the season.

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d 310 days ago

Super Rugby; a series characterised by an emphasis on entertainment and scoring tries, even if it means a tolerance for passing errors and zero kicking skills that get absolutely punished at international level.

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michaeljcalleja 310 days ago

I agree with the author’s views that Super Rugby’s quality is diminishing - affecting preparation and mentality when preparing for a huge test match. Unless the NZRU relaxes the archaic eligibility rules, the national team will continue to suffer. Young New Zealanders need that experience of playing in foreign, gruelling and competitive leagues.

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Over the sideline 310 days ago

Top 14 is rubbish. The young French need that experience of playing in a foreign, gruelling and competitive league.

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BH 310 days ago

Just like the Chiefs were going to beat the Crusaders in the Super Rugby final? Thanks for jinxing that game and now you’ve gone and jinxed this game. Another dumb article. No wonder some fans of other countries dislike Kiwis - they assume stuff based on clickbait journalism like this.

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TD 310 days ago

Super Rugby is such bad preparation for international rugby and that’s why NZ could only come second at the last world cup and lose only one game on their Northern Hemisphere tour last year.


The goalposts are never not moving for the ABs. If they don’t win by 21 then it’s a disappointment. Meanwhile, France are heaped with praise even when they lose and as their best players are sitting at home resting 2 years after losing a home world cup and 2 years aways from a world cup in Aus.

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SM 311 days ago

As long as we persist in playing chiefs rugby at test level we can't be to surprised, McKenzie looks like a headless chook out there but for some he's our best player I just don't see it.

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GH 311 days ago

is this article more or less disrecpectful than sending a C team in New Zealand? I mean on a scale of disrespectfulness from 0 to 10? 😂

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OutRun22 311 days ago

lol another words France will turn up and make it another 3 point win to the all blacks. I mean the first week was so ridiculous ‘this is a ‘c team’ and france will lose by plenty ‘the all blacks SHOULD! win this easy. you see its just the media stirring the pot and see if they get a boil over. however some nz media pundits have said the same thing. absolute hogwash. This french team is a like for like french team . they have so many more players thanN.Z its not even funny. Dupont is an overrated player but they have another 3 halfbacks as good as him and not so sho pony either. so i didn’t buy into the fake b team hype. i wont this week either.

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IkeaBoy 311 days ago

If the ABs go out and throw it around - as is their DNA - they still get slammed. Even for winning.


Yet, if they go out play 10-man rugby they would get disowned by most fans.


How would they be expected to ‘thrash’ France if not playing to their strengths and running the ball?

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Aj watkins 311 days ago

Very good points

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JW 311 days ago

Right, for points on them this week then!


You actually made some points I agree with for once Hamish.

If the All Blacks’ brainstrust can’t see how limited but effective France were and how frivolous and profligate they were by comparison, then they’re all in the wrong jobs.

All of NH rugby is like that, they are very well coached and stringent hemisphere. Their coaches go by stats and their players back them up. Leinster were probably the most well drilled to come out of that/this era…


But!

That’s what I meant about the All Blacks not being entirely stupid. I mean, surely they recognise that the style of rugby they sought to play last Saturday isn’t fit for purpose against France B/C let alone a truly formidable test line-up.

under the roof against France b/c is exactly when it is fit for purpose.


But they are a very simple side. Even if Razor had a mind to formulate some pressure for Segonds I don’t think they could have added it to the game with any real accuracy/benefit. The backline was trying all it could to do it’s thing, with the Barretts and Dmac looking very clumsy at it. Let them build. They don’t need to put pressure on everyone (the picked on the higher quality halfbacks), and as Segonds is nearly as experienced a flyhalf as Beauden, I doubt you were going to fluster him anyway (very reminiscent of Patrick Pellegrini’s style, I liked him).

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PickOllieMathisOrKeepLosing,Rob. 311 days ago

Jesus, even I could see the All Blacks wanted to use the ball with width and pace, it is lethal stuff when they get it right.

7 tries they created, 3 they missed out on with small errors.

There is a tonne to be critical of, but their intent and belief isn’t on that list.

It’s not everyone’s cup of tea, using the ball through the hands and engaging footwork and ball skill.

Hamish likes boring missionary footy and is upset about the All Blacks playing it.

Lol.

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Js 310 days ago

Thank you well said!!

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IkeaBoy 311 days ago

Agree with that. The intent is there as is the rust that comes with a first hit out of the season. They were 4/7 on their tries.


It’s not like big fat boys falling over the line from 2 metres out. They were quality scores.

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JW 311 days ago

Yes it was a strange take given the data/stats.


Agree, the pop pass continuity was good, the folding play was.. effective. It was the right time and place to try it, but I do think the players themselves are capable of bringing enough flair without so much planned trickery.

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d 311 days ago

Unfortunately for Bidwill, he assumed that his readers had a basic comprehension of English. Judging by all the comments, he is way off.


The whole tone of the article, far from an arrogant prediction, is really saying that the ABs are playing the same brainless rugby as they played in the Super Rugby series. It’s fast, it’s entertaining; and against a well organised test rugby side, it’s not good enough.


Razor has yet to offer anything more than Foster Lite in attacking from the set piece; the box kick and the pick-and-go. That’s it. We saw BB offer a gleam of hope in some attempts to chip over the top of the defence, but that just highlighted the abysmal skills of the Super Rugby players, whose kicking skills have withered and died.


That’s what he was saying.

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Over the sideline 310 days ago

Well he was lying then eh. Even Savea does chip kicks and scores in SR.

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JW 311 days ago

Yes its a very defeatist attitude, ‘it wasn’t good enough’ alright every, listen up, were throwing in the towel.


All Black rugby is now dead. That’s what he was really saying.

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Bazzallina 311 days ago

Don’t think kicking has been our strong suit since Foxy even DC kicking wasn’t what stood out with him he had some kind of even bad years kicking out of the hand, Nuggy at 9 wasn’t a renowned kicker we havnt had a better kicker than BB at FB since Dagg? It’s not what our kids do in high school normally since forever …btw the left foot chip by Ardie opening game of WC was absolutely sick never gets replay cameras missed it mostly

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MDL 311 days ago

Hahaha “Well, let me clarify that slightly. I’ll be appalled if they don’t. ”.


Either way you are right, what a cop-out

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Hard Boiled 311 days ago

Kudos to the author for getting the attention of us commenters but that’s all this article is. AB’s should win and if they don’t that would be shocking but to “Thrash” France? Nah mate that ain’t in the wheelhouse

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Mark 311 days ago

The days when the ABs could just turn up and “Thrash” sides, is long gone.

If France had sent a full strength squad to NZ, it would be the Kiwis getting a thrashing!!

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JB 310 days ago

How quickly people forget that a full strength French team only pipped the AB’s in November at home….

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JW 311 days ago

I think the AB were trying pretty hard Mark. I doubt there desire after all that was merely to ‘turn up’.

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Bazzallina 311 days ago

Agree with the top bit but the bottom bit jeesh the ABs might not have won as much but they ain’t been getting hidings, they did dish out 2 at WC 23 to 2 teans admittedly not France but 2 with ambitions at that tournament and one was a semi final

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SF 311 days ago

Well you should thrash them,you're playing against their third team

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Locke 311 days ago

While I think this French side is better than the author gives credit for (France have serious depth), he’s right that this was a horrible All Blacks performance nonetheless.

The breakdown, defensive structure, kicking game, and catching were a shambles. The number of turnovers and pushed passes was criminal.

The All Blacks need to start taking test rugby seriously — tight five exempted.

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Hammer Head 311 days ago

Yes. This is my point. It’s as if NZ didn’t win because they didn’t play well.

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Over the sideline 311 days ago

Yeah, being world no one for 90% of their existence just isn’t serious enough

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JW 311 days ago

It’s the new meta.


I think the biggest roadblock to another good performance from France is disruption to the team that’s been together for a month by arriving star teammates. We saw how off the pace and disruptive that was for the Boks in 2023.

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Cantab 311 days ago

Provided the ABs avoid the unforced errors, tighten their defence and defuse the French kicking game they SHOULD win comfortably this time round . They had it in their capabilities and chances to win by 30+ at Dunedin and they know it. Complacency loses matches against even a team widely regarded as under strength.

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Another 311 days ago

The issue for the All Blacks win the first test was ruck speed. The ABs won plenty of primary possession but their breakdown area was messy and uncontrolled, which meant the ball being supplied was inconsistent. This in turn led to inaccuracy.


Fix the rucks; fix the overall performance.

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JW 311 days ago

Definitely seemed like new ruck strategies, obviously won’t have them right after one game. What was more a factor for me was the amount of wasted bodies they were throwing in rucks that were already won.

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Bazzallina 311 days ago

I think overall stats were good for ruck speed but at key moments your right after making break or half break not only did they miss getting to some cleans but didn’t commit enough numbers or intent to others …on the bright side no yellows for neck rolls or forearms shoulders to the head on the ground 😂

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Bazzallina 311 days ago

Disagree i liked the way they played LW especially under the roof ,they just needed to do the odd bit better but all in all so much of it was good,France just held in there at times but did win a bunch of key moments, France wont be relying on being able to do that all the time ,I’m sure they will be up for it and make some adjustments to their game ABs will show some more patience and chuck some extras at ruck when they attacking

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JW 311 days ago

Well the biggest strength of France in game two is of course going to be the influence of their Coach. He’s the only quality brought on tour and you’d expect that to be where the biggest gains are made in this game.


Unless of course he doesn’t care about winning it and he’s solely focused on getting this group of players through to win the 2031 RWC.

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Hammer Head 311 days ago

This is an entirely stupid article.


Be my guest. Write France off. I hope this article doesn’t age well.

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d 311 days ago

Ask someone to translate what he really said.

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Over the sideline 311 days ago

He is an entirely stupid journalist.

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Hammer Head 311 days ago

I don’t believe the All Blacks are entirely stupid

Just a bit then?

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Over the sideline 311 days ago

The All Blacks believe he is totally stupid.

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mt 311 days ago

This arrogance and disrespect by nz journalists is just astonishing!

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TD 310 days ago

Stop calling these people journalists. They are pundits at best.

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JW 311 days ago

Well, maybe if you’re new here it’s astonishing!

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J Marc 311 days ago

The job of journos is sending newspapers. So the truth…..

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Over the sideline 311 days ago

Don’t call him an NZ journalist please. He is a traitor and gets his kicks by denigration of his own country. People in NZ hate him.

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Bazzallina 311 days ago

It’s everywhere dude French Journo fishing during Razors press conference “ the power balance in the rugby world has moved why do you think?”and “Fabien is in your head and how do you get him out of there? Jeesh

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ColinK 311 days ago

Oh god what an idiot posting this article, hubris is not in keeping with our teams ethos, sadly it is for some fans and journos though. Real AB’s fans don’t think this way.

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JB 311 days ago

Clearly some people only read the headline and then comment. It's a reasonably fair premise and it's absolutely how “real All Blacks’ fans” think. We expect our team to play to the best of their abilities, we expect them to learn from their mistakes (especially recent lessons), and given the patchwork of players the French sent and the ABs playing with home advantage, we absolutely expect them to get the job done.

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