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Seven candidates for the vacant All Blacks head coach job

Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie. Photos by Michael Bradley/Getty Images and Harry Trump/Getty Images.

With New Zealand Rugby Chair David Kirk announcing last week that they will “cast the net wide” in search of the new All Blacks coach, it’s time to look at who may apply, and where they currently sit in the pecking order.

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Kirk spoke to media last Thursday, addressing the departure of Scott Robertson and why the board had made the move in the middle of a four-year Rugby World Cup cycle.

Whoever takes over the role will be dealt a tough hand in their opening season, with a Greatest Rivalry tour and first Nations Championship campaign on the cards in 2026.

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Let’s take a look at seven options, whether they are leading the chase or a long shot at the job.

Jamie Joseph – Highlanders

This won’t be Joseph’s first attempt at becoming the All Blacks head coach, but this time it feels like he’s the leading candidate on several fronts. The current Highlanders head coach has international experience and is already contracted with NZR, which could speed up the process.

Joseph led the All Blacks XV in 2025 to three wins from three matches in Europe, so if that squad and role are seen as a development for the All Blacks, there’s no doubt Joseph is the leading candidate.

With growing uncertainty about whether Springboks assistant coach Tony Brown could make the move to the All Blacks, Joseph’s chances could be impeded, as the quality of his coaching group could be weakened when applying for the top job.

If the 56-year-old doesn’t get the top job this time around, you might wonder how long Joseph will continue to wait in the wings here in New Zealand.

Dave Rennie – Kobelco Kobe Steelers

The former Wallabies and Chiefs head coach has been talked about as one of the leading candidates for the role, with international experience and New Zealand familiarity a thing Rennie has over some of the other coaches.

Rennie currently coaches at the Kobe Steelers in Japan, with former All Black Brodie Retallick, Anton Lienert-Brown, and Ardie Savea all in the 2026 squad.

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Retallick, speaking on Sport Nation earlier this week, was full of praise for his Kobe Steelers coach.

“I think there are multiple aspects to Rens. He’s one who engages the community and creates a culture around the team he’s with, finding links to supporters and the city, which is massive for growing your identity.

“But he’s also a man who has coached for a very long time, and he understands how he wants to play a game of rugby, and those smaller details that make a game plan come together.

“And like all good coaches, he’s also a people person. He can be relatable, have a laugh, but also will tell you when you haven’t got it right. With someone with that much experience, he’s obviously been around long enough that he knows what he’s doing.”

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Whether or not Joseph and Rennie can work together, or only on their own, is still up for debate, but building a coaching group full of experience and knowledge could be an option that wouldn’t need a long bedding-in process.

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Joe Schmidt – Wallabies

The current Wallabies coach is an option for the head coaching role, but is more likely to be involved in the background or in an advisory role, after announcing that he will be spending more time with his family back in New Zealand once the Rugby Australia role finishes.

But he shouldn’t be ruled out completely, as his influence on the All Black team under Ian Foster in the World Cup was loud and clear.

Schmidt brings an amount of tactical detail and experience that no doubt New Zealand Rugby are after in the new coaching staff for the All Blacks.

The 60-year-old is set to leave the Wallabies during this year’s Nations Championship, ruling out any possible involvement in the near future, or at least until mid-2026.

Vern Cotter – Blues

The hard-nosed former Fiji and Scotland head coach would certainly shake up proceedings in black, likely shifting the playing style to a simpler, forwards-based game-plan.

The possibility could also be there as a specialist forwards coach under a head coach, which could work considering the work he has done transforming the Blues forward pack over the past couple of years.

Cotter’s international experience could come in handy, adding some grunt, specific expertise, and a different set of eyes to an All Black playing group that will be looking to put some of the past behind them, quickly.

The 63-year-old  led the Blues to a Super Rugby Pacific championship in 2024, which showcased what he can offer in a short amount of time, and like Joseph, he would be across all of the players in Super Rugby after coaching in the league for a couple of seasons now.

Clayton McMillan – Munster

Life in Limerick for McMillan has got off to an interesting start, with the former Chiefs boss’ team bowing out of the Champions Cup in the pool stages, going down 31-29 to Castres on the weekend.

Munster currently sit in sixth in the URC, comfortably in the playoffs after nine games this season.

After the match, speaking to Irish media, McMillan made it clear he hadn’t thought about the vacant All Blacks coaching role despite being thrown around as a possible option.

“To be perfectly honest, with all respect, I haven’t even given any thought to the question that you’ve just asked,” McMillan said post-match in Limerick.

“It’s not normally the New Zealand way to make such a big decision, but it’s one that’s been made, and my initial thoughts are actually just with Scott and his family.

“Nobody likes to see players or coaches have to go through that. So my thoughts are with him.”

McMillan led the All Blacks XV before Joseph, and despite not winning any of them, three Super Rugby Pacific finals in a row is no easy feat.

It may be too soon for the 51-year-old former Policeman, but McMillan could be one to lead the All Blacks one day.

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Pat Lam – Bristol Bears

Lam is an outside chance for the vacant role when considering all of the candidates, but is someone who has been plying his trade at a high-level up in the north at Bristol since 2017.

The former Blues head coach is an avid and passionate observer of the game, coming out with strong words late last year about the state of New Zealand Rugby.

“I looked at the fundamentals of the game — not the flash stuff: Your scrummaging, lineout, lifting, mauling, catch, pass, carry, ball presentation, your breakdown work,” he told Martin Devlin of DSPN.

“Certainly, at the top level in New Zealand, it’s great, but when I was looking down, I was thinking, my goodness, what’s happening in club rugby? What’s happening in NPC rugby? Because I just saw too many players who are fundamentally poor.”

His experience of Northern Hemisphere rugby is an interesting asset to have, which could be of use in the All Black environment at some stage.

Ronan O’Gara – La Rochelle

NZR Chair David Kirk responded to one question about the possibility of appointing an overseas coach in this process, telling the media in Auckland that, as an organisation, they are not ruling out that idea just yet.

“We haven’t had that discussion with the board yet.”

That means it’s unconfirmed whether O’Gara would be considered or not, but his time seems to be nearly up at French giants La Rochelle, which could see him be a free agent in the near future.

An attack coach role in the chosen environment is a fascinating prospect, especially with his playing experience and understanding of Northern Hemisphere players and game styles that New Zealand doesn’t see as often.

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RuggaGuy 46 days ago

Really think Vern Cotter is the best choice. He is tough, has international experience, and he will get respectability back for the All Blacks.


Joe Schmidt is a brilliant coach, however he has a sick son, and the AB job is just not in the cards, in my view.

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SC 46 days ago

Cotter and Schmidt are good friends and coached together at Clermont winning the Champions Cup, Cotter as head coach and Schmidt coaching back & attack.


This would be the ideal pair to lead All Blacks in 2026 and 2027 along with a quality, test experienced defence coach. Cotter coaches the forwards.

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d 47 days ago

I agree with those that say both Cotter and Joseph have a good track record into whipping their sides into disciplined units. I also agree with those that say both sides were lacking the “X” factor on offense. I think they need someone like Mick Byrne to add that edge.

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SC 46 days ago

Mick Byrne is head coach of Fiji.

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Blackmania 47 days ago

The photo sums up quite well the duel that will, in my opinion, be played out between Joseph and Rennie, the two favourites for the job.

Joseph loses credibility without Tony Brown, and it would be surprising to see NZR choose a coach who finished the 2025 Super Rugby season in last place. Joseph’s whole career can’t be reduced to that alone, but it’s clearly not a point in his favour.


Rennie actually seems to be the most solid choice. He won with the Chiefs, coached in Europe and then the Wallabies. He has a positive record against Erasmus, which isn’t something many people can claim. Above all, he’s a coach who has been highly respected everywhere he’s been. Everyone describes him as a great manager and an excellent communicator with his players.


He ticks a lot of boxes. And he’s coaching Ardie Savea in Japan… for me, he’s the favourite.


Cotter, I don’t really believe in. He doesn’t seem to have the same charisma as Rennie. I find him a bit old-school. The forward-oriented game he developed with the Blues won’t be enough with the All Blacks. Maybe as an assistant.


Personally, I’d rather dream of O’Gara as an assistant, to run the attack. He’s struggling with La Rochelle at the moment, and seeing him break his contract to join New Zealand doesn’t seem completely far-fetched to me.


Schmidt, I don’t believe it. He won’t take on such an intense full-time role.


There’s also a lot of talk about the Pumas’ attack coach, Lynn. It’s interesting, but his contract may not be terminable.

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PB 46 days ago

Ardie who? That turncoat?

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cw 47 days ago

The Highlanders last year looked like the Pakuranga Rugby club. The fairer measure is the international stats. Not looked at Rennie - but for JJ: 45% for Japan (including win over SA) 83% for Māori All Blacks (including wins over Ireland and England) and 100% for ABXV.

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Hammer Head 47 days ago

8. Warren Gatland

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BleedRed&Black 47 days ago

For all Kirk's delusions about "the best coaching job in rugby", this is as much about who wants the head coach job as who NZR wants to give it to, and what NZR are offering is abysmal.


Robertson has been scapegoated for all the problems with AB rugby, all of which go back nine seasons, the players decide who the coach is, the expectations of the fans are extreme and increasingly deluded, while the "winner" will also have no idea who the CEO is because of the gross disorganisation of Kirk's NZR. Or the head of High Performance.


The real kicker though is that the job itself is extremely pressured, short term, and near suicidal. After the AB's probable failure to win anything significant in 2026 or 2027 while enduring as many or more losses than Robertson's AB's, a vindicative NZR will fire whoever they put into the head coach job.


Jamie Joseph. He's the media favourite, but given he's only 56 he may look at a bid in 2027 with Tony Brown, given what little success he has had has been with Brown. Or maybe he will look to position himself as an assistant, getting his foot in the door without necessarily putting his head on the block.


Dave Rennie. He qualifies, but he also has a massive amount of baggage with NZR after his departure from the Chiefs. He is however 62, so this is effectively his last chance to be AB's head coach.


Vern Cotter. He's easily the best qualified of the candidates, and he is also 63, so this is also effectively his last chance to be AB's head coach. Really, he's the ideal candidate for the short term, high pressure, now or never job that NZR are offering.


Smith is 68, has been vocal about his contempt for NZR politics, so that's effectively impossible.


The idea it could be Schmidt is bizarre. He is literally coaching another country for the first three tests in 2026, seems unlikely to be available for the long and arduous SA tour because of personal issues, and based on precedent with his refusal to join Foster in the AB's until after the Ireland series in 2022, almost certainly won't be involved until after the Bledisloe's. Which takes him out of half of the tests between now and RWC 2027. Which makes him kinda pointless, even if he was willing to be head coach. In reality its doubtful he could even be an assistant.


The NZR, the fans and the media need to get their heads around the idea that "the best coaching job in rugby" is, at the moment and from a head coach POV, a poison pill. The question is, who's willing to swallow it?

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TheNotoriousFig 46 days ago

The smart play is to aim for being the guy after the next appointment then?


Cotter & Schmidt did some good work together in France so maybe there is a ticket there? From a distance, it is hard to see what Joseph offers that sets him above the others on this list - other than he applied before.

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Carpet Monkey 47 days ago

Totally agree

Who in their right mind could do anything

Its poison

Maybe Rennie for me

He'd been treated shockingly by Australia

Nothing to lose and a good head

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cw 47 days ago

There is a short hand for what you say - we’re rooted.

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GM 47 days ago

Vern Cotter may bring something as a forwards coach (I read somewhere that ABs’ per metre carries were the worst in Tier 1) so maybe he could improve that stat. But as head coach he might be repeating Razor’s mistake of thinking that he can dominate up front, and who cares about counter? The limited Blues game-plan won’t work at test level. I’d like to see either Rennie or Cotter there as assistants to Jamie J, but the real challenge is specialist Attack and Defence coaches. Tony Brown is gone, so who does that leave for attack? Kendrick Lynn is attack coach for the best counter attacking side in test rugby and is an ex-Highlander. Maybe that’s all down to Conteponi or maybe Lynn is the next TB. Or Tyler Blyendaal. Defence could be ROG. I also think Tana Umaga (‘We’re not playing tiddly winks out here, Ref!’) would be great to have in the mix. In my opinion he’s our greatest centre, after transitioning from the right wing, so could surely bring some real insight to one of our most problematic positions.

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piesang_brood 47 days ago

Where’s my Jake White shout???

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PB 47 days ago

Vern Cotter – BluesThe hard-nosed former Fiji and Scotland head coach would certainly shake up proceedings in black, likely shifting the playing style to a simpler, forwards-based game plan.”

With what forwards… they were already on roller skates vs the Boks in Wellington. Expect the same from a gnarly French pack.

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GodOfFriedChicken 47 days ago

The Blues forward pack before he came in was regularly criticised for going backwards when it mattered, with some star players being singled out for their workrate and lack of physicality. Vern turned that around and created a bulldozing blue bully without having to import any new talent. Jason Ryan broke the ABs forwards out of a slump when he came in, Vern Cotter had the Blues forward pack looking like a completely new group. Even backs were getting in breakdowns and looking like forwards.

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Nickers 47 days ago

Minus the Top 14 finalists of course who won’t play in that game.

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cw 47 days ago

PB disagree. Rugby stats for Wellington - 9 scrums ABs 100% Boks 88%. In Auckland they were on skates for sure until they went with their three lock second row. If like the rest of the world they evolve to 6-2 (which Joseph has the smarts to do) they will easily match if key players fit as they did against the gargantuan French pack in Nov 24 (even without the 6-2)

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TokoRFC 47 days ago

Good shout PB, but if you’re being outmuscled there’s only so much you can do don’t you think? I feel like Razor already tried a power game and Ryan has improved technique around mauls etc but the attack has been neglected. We essentially ended up just trying to beat the boks at their own game and it didn’t work.


They are essentially exhibition matches but the way Josephs XV team ran home in the last quarter against the South African heavy Baabas and England A had a very “back to the future” look about it by showing All Blacks high tempo rugby can still work

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TokoRFC 47 days ago

I think fundamentally Razors coaching ticket fell over not due to lack of skill but due to a lack of experience, especially test match experience and experience in different organisations.

Not just from Razor himself but his assistants too, so the assistants are almost as interesting a selection as the head coach themselves.


At a minimum we need:


- An experienced head coach

- At least a couple of assistants with test match experience these could even be former head coaches.


Once that experience is there as a foundation, you are more free to select specialists up and coming assistants that could become really good as long as they are supported. I’m thinking Jamie Macintosh, Tyler Blyendaal, Cory Jane etc etc

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Karlos G 47 days ago

Maybe Vern Cotter and Jamie Joseph could work together like Steve Hansen and Graham Henry did? Whoever they pick the ABs gonna be fine, it’s the selecting of out of form players, unsettled best 23 and a concerning weak defence we should be more worried about! And when other teams go with a 6:2 split impressive bench we need to counter that

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cw 47 days ago

Both very experienced. Cotter more so in terms of 6N / NH competition. If they could work together then they could bring an awesome blend forward power and all of field attack.


And agree re 6-2 - ABs need to go there to match intensity in third and fourth quarters.

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TokoRFC 47 days ago

I’d like a combo of a couple of people with head coaching experience too, just how they compose that team will be the interesting thing. They need to be able to work together too.


I would guess Jason Ryan stays but Hansen and presumably Ellison are gone. That means they need a Head Coach, Backs coach and some form of defence/attack specialists under them at least.


People whinge about too many coaches but attack and defence systems are pretty complex these days so you need someone spending a lot of time on them.

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BleedRed&Black 47 days ago

What I find bizarre is that on every criteria Vern Cotter either beats or matches Jamie Joseph, yet Joseph is still the favourite.


Cotter has better results at a higher level at both international and club level, all without the presence of a vital assistant. He has much better experience in dealing with and imposing confrontational rugby in 6N with Scotland and Top 14, which is exactly what the AB’s need to impose, whereas Joseph only has SR experience and with Japan. He also gets instant results, unlike Joseph. And like Joseph he is an NZR employee, has been back for two years and knows the players.


It shouldn’t even be a contest. Yet Joseph is still the favourite. But then that status has been given to him by the NZ rugby media, the people who were happy to peddle the idiotic belief that Tony Brown could be coaching for the AB’s against the Springboks this year if Joseph got the job.

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JWH 47 days ago

Because, respectfully, Vern Cotter is a rubbish coach. Watching the Blues last season was utterly painful. You cna hardly even call his SRP 2024 win fair because of the Crusaders falling off the wagon with a new coach and insane injury depth issues.

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cw 47 days ago

BRB no doubting Cotter’s credentials but in terms of international coaching Cotter coach of Scotland had a 53% win rate.

Joseph as coach of Japan had a 45% win rate, Maori All Blacks 83% win rate, ABXV 100% win rate.

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cw 47 days ago

Yep, good points. Cotter showed his worth with the Blues and he can build on what Razor was trying to do. But Cotter made the mistake of sidelining Plummer who was way better suited than Barrett to the forward power game. I would like to see him (Cotter) in there somewhere too (without Barrett). Preference still Joseph if pressed - he has built his game around intensity and innovation which I think is what the ABs need most.

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Nickers 47 days ago

If the Blues had gone back to back, or at the very least not had an abysmal season I think you would be right. They did better than the Highlanders obviously but considering the number of ABs they have in key positions you would expect them to.


I would love to see Cotter in the coaching team. He has the exact kind of CV you would expect from an ABs assistant. Add in Schmidt who has experience as head coach of a tier one team, something Henry and Shag both had too, and you get the best coaching team in my opinion.


But yeah, Cotter did amazingly with Fiji, turned the Blues around in one season. He is definitely one of the three most qualified.

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SB 47 days ago

No Rob Penney on the list.

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TokoRFC 47 days ago

Rob Penney has had some great results but he doesn’t have the most consistent track record. He also didn’t deal with the pressure of the Saders underperforming, so not sure he’d be great in a much higher pressure job.

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cw 48 days ago

Common sense says Joseph. He’s in NZ, he knows the players, he coaches high intensity rugby, he is innovative, he is well liked by the rugby public here, he has strong international experience, he is tough and he can work with other coaches (hopefully Schimdt, O’Gara or similar). And he can go straight to work - the longer this drags on the closer 2026 becomes a write off.

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SC 47 days ago

You could make those exact same arguments for Vern Cotter, who has had far more recent success winning a Super Rugby title two seasons ago at Blues and reaching the semi-final last season (upsetting the#1 seeded Chiefs in Hamilton in QF before losing to Crusaders at Christchurch as all do since 1998).


Any success Joseph has had coaching has been with Tony Brown as his genius and innovative attack coach. Without Brown last season as head coach with Highlanders, the team finished dead last and regressed from the previous season under Clarke Dermody.


My preference would be Cotter, with assistant coaches Joe Schmidt (who coached under Cotter at Clermont winning the Champions Cup) as attack coach and Wayne Smith as defence coach.

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PB 47 days ago

But do the players like him? That seems to be key in Kiwi rugby lately?

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Hammer Head 47 days ago

Joseph is a no-brainer. Agreed.

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