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Welsh fans taking positives as yet another talent lost to English system
A trend that has been worrying Welsh fans over the past few months is the number of uncapped regional players that are making a move to England.
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Another name was added to that list recently, with Cardiff Blues and Wales under-18 lock Christ Tshiunza moving to Exeter Chiefs. He joins fellow Blues rising star Rhys Carre, who moves to Saracens next season.
The 21-year-old prop Carre has been hotly tipped as a player of the future in Wales, and has already been called up to Warren Gatland’s World Cup training squad. However, as he is yet to play for his country, he joins a growing number of Welsh-born players that are opting for more lucrative deals abroad while they are young.
Players are making this move as they can still play for their country. Although they have under 60 caps (which usually prohibits a Welsh international being selected if they play abroad), if they are uncapped when they signed their contract with their club, it does not matter. This has been seen with Josh Adams, who could represent Wales while with Worcester Warriors, as he was initially uncapped. However, now that his contract has expired, he has had to move to Cardiff to keep his international career alive.
Some Welsh fans are disappointed that this is happening in their system, and are rueing the number of promising players that are leaving the regions. Welsh domestic rugby is not particularly strong at the moment, with no team challenging in either the Pro14 or European competitions last season.
This exodus of young players from the regions will not help, and that is what is concerning may fans on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/leealtea/status/1143953528815312901?s=20
https://twitter.com/higgins190971/status/1144181913881628673?s=20
https://twitter.com/tmalbrghtn/status/1144154174000652288?s=20
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However, while there are obvious downsides to these moves away, a number of Welsh fans are taking positives out of this exodus.
Not only will these players benefit from the coaching of other clubs, but it will not cost the Welsh Rugby Union anything. Saracens and Exeter were the two Premiership finalists last season, with Saracens winning the Champions Cup as well. Both clubs have developed many great players over the past few years, and the Welsh national team can benefit from this.
While the regions will be hampered in the meantime, the fans feel that the players will come back better, and it has been no financial incursion on the WRU.
This is what has been said:
https://twitter.com/runtidyrun/status/1144193072311537666?s=20
https://twitter.com/richiemerrett/status/1144170577621639168?s=20
https://twitter.com/ospreys2008/status/1144198405712961537?s=20
https://twitter.com/Rdj1878/status/1144169377295687681?s=20
Don't blame the lads. Lots of them going due to the opportunities these moves present to them. He won't be the last
— Andrew Burton (@0787Burton) June 27, 2019
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These moves away for uncapped players seem like an inevitability in rugby, and something the WRU cannot stop. But an encouraging step is that the fans are seeing this now as a positive rather than a negative.
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SBW is fast becoming a laughing stock, his misplaced comments & lack of insight Is actually pretty sad.
6 Go to commentsJust well you guys are couch 🛋 potatoes selector's, picking a team of greenhorns to play England! “What are you people smoking?” The halfbacks will be Christie, Fakatava, Perenara Props; Newell, Bower, Lomax, Tunga'fasi, Hookers; Asosa Amua when fit, Taylor, Samisoni,
11 Go to commentsQuite frankly, all this is a bit pathetic. The first time Wales get the Wooden Spoon in 21 years and everyone is on the bandwagon for a ‘play-off’ game. Wales have no obligation to Georgia and no obligation to the rest of the Six Nations to play such a game. If they want Georgia in so badly then they need to include South Africa into a Northern Hemisphere competition with 2 leagues of 4 teams with the top 2 competing for the Championship. Sadly, this will end Triple Crowns and Grand Slams forever. Is this really what you want?
4 Go to commentsI think Finau to start Blackadder to come on. Poss Prokter instead of Ioane, haven't seen much from Reiko so far this year.
11 Go to commentsJoe will have had a good chat with Dave Rennie, a smart move to begin with while it’s doubtful Fast Eddie will be consulted? Plenty of Aus players hitting top form so they should go OK.
3 Go to commentsMmm. Not sure I like this article or see it as necessary.
6 Go to commentsBlackadder but no Finau! 😀 It’s Razor so you are probably right, plus Taylor at 2…
11 Go to commentsThe strongest possible AB side would actually include Aaron Smith, Bodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Leicester Fainga'anuku, Shannon Frizzel.. don’t get me started on the rest of the injury hit brigade that got flung on the heap so left. Many a whole not getting filled as of yet.
11 Go to commentsI don’t think anyone knows what Schmidt will do, one thing is certain it ain’t gonna be all the picks we on the keyboard will think. My impression of him is that he will be looking at who can step up and what is the best combination. He will ignore individuals as he looks for guys who can build a powerful team and not just guys who can make a flashy run or ignore the winger as they want to score themselves.
3 Go to commentsSome dumb selections there. Not Porecki Not Donaldson Not Gordon Not Lonegran - both Not Nic White - Fines instead Not Liam Wright Not Paisami Definitely not Vunivalu Other than that not bad.
3 Go to commentsI've never been convinced that Patty T is a test match all black. Otherwise I probably agree it's the best side available to beat the poms. Caveat that Codie Taylor is yet to be seen and could very likely warrant selection by June. I hope that Razor brings the young loosies, half backs and locks into the training squad and develops/ selects the best
11 Go to commentsYou doing the same thing I disliked about the example of Samisoni Taukei'aho, Nick. He’s great the way he is, you’re trying to do what modern-day coaches frustrate me doing, turning everyone into the perfect athlete. Next thing you’ll be telling me you’ll bench him until he’s hit that arbitrary marker, and can’t overtake the current guy who’s doing all his workons. He’s a young Kieran Read, through and through, plays wide and has threat, mainly (and evident in your clips) through his two hand carry and speed. Just let him work on that, or whatever he wants, and determine his own future. Play God and you risk the players going sideways, like Read did, instead of being a Toutai Kefu. I mean I was in the same camp for a while, wanting our tight five to have the size, and carry ability, as the teams they were getting beat by. Now I’m starting to believe those teams just have better skilled and practiced individuals, bigger by upwards of 5kg sometimes, sure, but more influentially they have those intrinsic skills of trust and awareness. Basically our guys just didn’t know wtf they were doing. Don’t think I’m trying to prove a point here but hasn’t Caleb Clarke been in much better form this year, or does he just ‘look’ better now that he’s not always trying to use his size?
44 Go to commentsThe pack lacks a little in height for the line out and I wouldn’t be completely convinced by some of the combinations till we see it in action.
11 Go to commentsThe side is good but lacks experience. International playing bona fides udually trumps super rugby form for good reason. And incumbents are usually stuck with. Codie Taylor should start or come off the bench. B Barrett will start at fullback. Blackadder has not earned the position, Finau has. TJs experience and competitiveness earns him a starting role, Christie or Ratima off the bench
11 Go to commentsPretty good side. Scott Barrett should be the captain. Ethan Blackadder a great choice at blindside. He is going to go from strength to strength having made a couple of starts for the Crusaders. Scott Robertson rates him highly. Perenara could start a no 9.
11 Go to commentsI question and with respect. Was enough done over the last few years to bring through new blood knowing the Whitelocks and co couldn’t last forever. There should have been more done to future proof the team. New squad new coach, he and they weren’t set up well. IMO
6 Go to commentsJacobsen will definitely be in the 23
11 Go to commentsLots of discussion points, Ben, but two glaring follies IMO: 1. Blackadder at 6. Has done nothing so far this season to justify his selection. Did you see him going backwards in contact at the weekend? Simply has not got the physical presence at 6: we need a Scott Barrett or a Finau (or wildcard Ah Kuoi), beasts who are big enough to play lock, like Frizzell. If Barret played at 6, Paddy could be joined at lock by Vai’i or one of the young giants we need to promote, like Darry or Lord (if he ever gets on the field). Blackadder best left to join the queue for 7. 2. Not even a mention for Christie? Ratima gets caught at crucial times at the back of the ruck when he hesitates on the pass. The only way he starts would be if Christie and TJ are injured.
11 Go to commentsWhat a dagg in more ways than one
6 Go to commentsRegroup come back next year but sack some of the coaching team and don't be like the ABs last minute sacking. If Crusaders don't do well ABs don't do well.
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