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'That is still a big question mark': Answers for make-up of All Blacks forward pack
A former All Black and a Kiwi pundit have weighed in on which players should make up New Zealand’s forward pack following the latest round of Super Rugby Pacific.
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The Crusaders’ clash with the Chiefs pitted the country’s two strongest packs against each other in what was an attritional battle at the breakdown and in close quarters.
Chiefs captain Sam Cane admitted after his side’s 34-19 loss in Hamilton that the visitors won the majority of the collisions and on the ground at the ruck, largely due to the return of All Blacks lock Scott Barrett, who filled in for the missing Sam Whitelock.
Ex-All Blacks star Sir John Kirwan told Sky Sport’s The Breakdown Barrett’s performance had elevated his standing as the third in line for the national pecking order at lock behind Whitelock and his Chiefs opposite Brodie Retallick.
“I thought that Scott Barrett was very physical. I know he’s probably not as tall as other locks, he’s one of the shorter locks and I know that he is trying to work on his physicality, but I thought he was really good in periods of time,” Kirwan said.
“He was doing the hard yards, making big hits, carrying the ball hard. I thought he was a really important replacement, not having Whitelock out there, and brought something a bit different.
“We’ve spoken about locks in the past, ‘Who is our third lock, is it going to be a loose forward that covers?’ He was really good.”
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Another All Blacks lock, Tupou Vaa’i of the Chiefs, packed down on at blindside flanker against the Crusaders in a continuation of his positional switch this season.
When asked whether Vaa’i has done enough to be considered for higher honours at No 6, pundit and commentator Ken Laban said it is still a question mark position for the national coaching staff.
“That is still a big question mark for us,” Laban said.
“Players that have been tried at 6: Shannon Frizell, Ethan Blackadder, Akira Ioane, and then last year, a tremendous season of development for Tupou Vaa’i.
“Defensively, he’s a big unit, he’s got very nice soft hands for a big guy. We all know he can carry and carry hard.
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“I definitely think he needs to be there or thereabouts, particularly if we want to get big, strong and physical against Northern Hemisphere teams that dusted us up last year.”
Kirwan was in agreement with Laban and said that Frizell and Vaa’i should be given the chance to go head-to-head for the jersey.
“Frizell and Tupou Vaa’i need to be the two 6s and move forward with it,” Kirwan claimed.
“Akira I think is outstanding, but he is injured and I just think you put these two boys in and let them go head-to-head for the 6 jersey.
“After Scott Barrett’s game on the weekend, you say, ‘You are our third [No 6]’. We’ve got some young guys coming through, that’s good, but I think those two boys, I like them.
“Frizell has been strong as well and we need that hard ball carrier but also that sting in defence.”
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Dagg is still trying to get enough headlines to make himself relevant enough to get a job. The Crusaders went back to square one at all levels. Shelve this season and nail the next one.
4 Go to commentsHe was in such great form. Sad for him but only a short term injury and it will be great to see him back for the finals.
1 Go to commentsAfter their 5/0 start, I had the Crusaders to finish Top 4 only…they lost the plot in Perth but will reload and back themselves vs 4th placed Rebels…
3 Go to commentsBoth nations missed a great opportunity to book a game that would have had a lot of interest from around the world. I understand these games can’t be organised in 5 minutes but they should have found a way to make it happen. I don’t think Wales are ducking anyone but it’s a bad look haha.
3 Go to commentsIt will be fascinating to see the effect that Jo Yapp has. If they can compete with Canada and give BFs a run for their money that will be progress
1 Go to commentsFollowing his dream and putting in the work. Go well young fella!
3 Go to commentsPerhaps filling Twickenham is one of Mitchell’s KPIs. I doubt whether both September matches will be at Twickenham on consecutive weekends. I would take the BF one to a large provincial stadium so as not to give them the advantage and experience of playing at Twickenham before a large crowd prior to the RWC.
3 Go to commentsvery unfortunate for Kitshoff, but big opportunity potentially for Nché to prove he is genuinely the best loosehead in the world, rather than just a specialist finisher. Presuming that if Kitshoff is out, it will also give Steenekamp a chance to come into the 23? Or are others likely to be ahead of him?
1 Go to commentsA long held question in popular culture asks if art imitates life or does the latter influence the former? Over this 6 nations I can ask the same question of the media influencing the thoughts of its audience or vice versa. Nobody wants to see cricket scores in rugby, as a spectacle it is not sustainable. With so many articles about England’s procession and lack of competition it feeds the epicaricacy of many looking for an opportunity to pounce. England are not the first team to dominate nor does it happen only in rugby, think Federer, Nadal, Red Bull or Mercedes, Manchester Utd, Australia in tests and World Cups. Instead of celebrating the achievements why find reasons to falsify it pointing towards larger playing pool, professional for a longer period or mitigate with the lack of growth in other nations. Can we not enjoy it while it is here and know that it won’t last for ever, others coveting what England have will soon take the crown, ask the aforementioned?
6 Go to commentsShame he won’t turn out for the Netherlands now they’re improving. U20s are Euro champs and in the U20 Trophy this year. The senior sides gets better every year too.
3 Go to commentsWill rugbypass tv be showing these games?
1 Go to commentsWell where do you start, the fact that England have a professional domestic league and Ireland’s is fully amatuer, that they have fully seperated professional squads at Fifteens and Sevens (7’s thinly disguised as GB), and Ireland have fully pro Sevens squad who loan some players back to the Semi-Professional Fifteens squad (moved from amateur for only a year or so) for a few games at 6N & RWC’s. The Women’s games is a shambles, and is at risk of killing itself by pushing for professionalism when the market isn’t really there to support it outside one or two countnries..
6 Go to commentsWayne Smith's input didn't have as much impact on the last final as Davison's red card for Thompson. England were 14 points up and flying when that happened.
6 Go to commentsBilly's been playing consistently well for 2 - 3 seasons now and deserves a look in at the top level. Ioane and ALB are still first choice but there needs to be injury cover and succession. His partnership with Jordie gives him first dibs you'd think. Go the Hurricanes.
3 Go to commentsIt’s not up to Wales to support Georgian Rugby. That’s up to International Rugby and Georgia. I sympathise with Georgia’s decent attempt to create this fixture. But for Wales the proposed match up is just a potential stick to beat them with and a potential big psychological blow that young Welsh team doesn’t need. (I’m Irish BTW.)
3 Go to commentsCale certainly looks great in space, but as you say, he has struggled in contact. At 23 years old, turning 24 this year, he should be close to full physical maturity and yet there exists a considerable gap in the power and physicality required for international rugby. Weight doesn’t automatically equate to power and physicality either. Can he go from a player who’s being physically dominated in Super rugby to physically dominating in international rugby in 1 or 2 years? That’s a big ask but he may end up being a late bloomer.
36 Go to commentsIf rugby wants to remain interesting in the AI era then it will need to work on changing the rules. AI will reduce the tactical advantage of smart game plans, will neutralize primary attacking weapons, and will move rugby from a being a game of inches to a game of millimetres. It will be about sheer athleticism and technique,about avoiding mistakes, and about referees. Many fans will find that boring. The answer is to add creative degrees of freedom to the game. The 50-22 is an example. But we can have fun inventing others, like the right to add more players for X minutes per game, or the equivalent of the 2-point conversion in American football, the ability to call a 12-player scrum, etc. Not saying these are great ideas, but making the point that the more of these alternatives you allow, the less AI will be able to lock down high-probability strategies. This is not because AI does not have the compute power, but because it has more choices and has less data, or less-specific data. That will take time and debate, but big, positive and immediate impact could be in the area of ref/TMO assistance. The technology is easily good enough today to detect forward passes, not-straight lineouts, offside at breakdown/scrum/lineout, obstruction, early/late tackles, and a lot of other things. WR should be ultra aggressive in doing this, as it will really help in an area in which the game is really struggling. In the long run there needs to be substantial creativity applied to the rules. Without that AI (along with all of the pro innovations) will turn rugby into a bash fest.
24 Go to commentsSouth Africa rarely play Ireland and France on these tours. Mostly, England, Scotland and Wales. I wonder why
2 Go to commentsIt was a let’s-see-what-you're-made-of type of a game. The Bulls do look good when the opposition allows them to, but Munster shut them down, and they could not find a way through. Jake should be very worried about their chances in the competition.
2 Go to commentsHats off to Fabian for a very impressive journey to date. Is it as ‘uniquely unlikely’ as Rugby Pass suggests, given Anton Segner’s journey at the Blues?
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