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Dave Rennie on ABs lineout: 'There's no Brodie Retallick or Sam Whitelock out there'


Australia's coach Dave Rennie (R) speaks with New Zealand's Brodie Retallick (R) after after the Rugby Championship match between Australia and New Zealand at Marvel Stadium in Melbourne on September 15, 2022. - - -- IMAGE RESTRICTED TO EDITORIAL USE - NO COMMERCIAL USE -- (Photo by WILLIAM WEST / AFP) / -- IMAGE RESTRICTED TO EDITORIAL USE - NO COMMERCIAL USE -- (Photo by WILLIAM WEST/AFP via Getty Images)
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Dave Rennie has admitted his All Blacks side is still showing signs of growing pains in both the lineout and scrum battles, where they have been tested heavily during Rugby’s Greatest Rivalry Tour.

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Rassie Erasmus’ Springboks have been ferocious and clinical at set-piece when handed the opportunities, taking advantage of the All Blacks’ indiscretions around the field.

The 62-year-old All Blacks head coach explained to media in Washington, DC, and on the DSPN Podcast that his side’s inexperienced players will be better off after the gruelling seven-week tour of the Republic.

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All Blacks centurions Sam Whitelock and Brodie Retallick haven’t pulled on the black jersey since the 2023 Rugby World Cup final in France, two players Rennie pointed to when highlighting the experience his current locks lack.

“But you know, I think this is the thing where we’ve been together, ten weeks, and there’s lots of little things like that [lineout] which we think will get better in time.

“It’s even being able to change our lineout on the fly, and we haven’t got hugely experienced guys. There’s no Brodie Retallick or Sam Whitelock out there who can say, “oh s**t, they’re defending a little bit differently; let’s go to this or that.

“And so yeah, that’s where we’re at, we’ve got to develop those guys [locks] quickly.”

Rennie isn’t shying away from the facts surrounding the set-piece, but knows there are areas where the All Blacks can improve.

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“So yeah, look, we’ve got no option. The set piece has to be better, and so we can’t hide from it.

“I reckon we’ll do a better job of staying in front of their maul this week. And when we got that right, I think the very first maul of the game, they went nowhere and had to play away from it. So that would be ideal.

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“But again, I can’t remember the numbers from the weekend, but the week before we had 18 lineouts; they had nine, and that’s because we’re trying to kick out less, so we don’t have lineouts and mauls. So same principles: scrums, don’t make errors, don’t kick it out, and don’t give away soft penalties.”

Rennie said that although the distracting 26-hour travel day to Washington will affect the players, they’re fully focused on the job at hand, despite only being able to tie the Test series.

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“My concern’s not an exhibition for the USA, who’ve got a World Cup here in 2031; this is more around us putting in a quality performance to finish off what’s been an awesome tour for us, learning-wise and culturally and our rugby stuff.

“But a chance to tie up a series two all, and it would have been nice to have left South African soil leading 2-1, and you feel like you’ve won a series on South African soil, but that’s not an option for us now.”

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Red and White Dynamight 31 days ago

Lock is not a problem for NZ. Tuipolotu aside, the squad locks are all big, athletic and young. SA locks are mostly past their peak. Its France that have the peak squad of tight forwards at right stage of development for RWC in Oz.

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TT. 30 days ago

Who are you consdering as being part of that peak squad for France ?

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JW 32 days ago

So this was one of Rennie’s 100 points why he could do better he put to NZR? “I can get Brodie to return where Razor couldn’t get Whitelock or Mounga to return!”?


Well he’ll fail at it too I bet. Better not make him look foolish by saying Whitelock and Retallick where class well into their Blazer test, they didn’t need 100 before they reached great level.

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Ciceron76 32 days ago

Forwards coaches are the right coaches? Not sure. Ryan scrum coach survived to 3 head coall all blacks now and he nothing improved in scrum. Question is on the table.

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JW 32 days ago

I think it’s probably more involved than that. I would question more what input Ryan has got from this head coach(es), who has he been seeing to upskill himself, who else has been brought in for ideas?


Barnes has taken responsibility now, and I’m sure he knows a lot about scrums, but he’s one of the very inexperienced cohorts Rennie has brought into the team. First step I would have is more hands on deck for this tour(I think they held a camp with the Canes and Boppa earlier), that’s been an oversight. Having the social media guys needed to train with the team to add support staff.


Doing things like changing the actual scrum coach is just a stab in the dark fix.

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proooooovince 32 days ago

“don’t make errors, don’t kick it out, and don’t give away soft penalties” tough ask for any team. You need a plan for your team that doesn’t rely on them being perfect or being absolutely dependant on shaping the game like you prefer it.


Anyway, nobody (mainly me :D) should get over confident, Boks are on top now but it’s been so close.

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cnw 32 days ago

Well if that is the mindset of the coach, then we are toast. Hope this is some sort of gamemanship because it has certainly made me feel like Sh$te about the ABs.

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JW 32 days ago

Fraid not cnw, he made very similar sorts of comments when he took over, he was just in his honeymoon period then though.

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GL 32 days ago

Well Brodie is available if NZR allows it

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JW 32 days ago

He’s already poo pooed the idea and said he won’t go on tours like this one, even travel for test matches, again.

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Ciceron76 32 days ago

Not for the moment. Retallick didnt say that he wanted to return in nz. It is not the problem. Rennie took this example to say : we need time to dévelop there new locks.

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OtagomanII 32 days ago

Not very good talk to encourage his locks. They have the leapers and they can learn quickly. Rennie got spooked way too quickly from the 2nd test and chicked out in using it for the 3rd. He is actually starting to say some concerning things. Whitelock and Retallick were world class almost straight away, the same goes for Holland, Lord and Darry to be backed to become that just as quickly.

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GS 32 days ago

Think it’s the reality and when announced as coach, pretty clear he wanted to be able to select Retallick from off-shore.


Think next year or even later this year - we will see Shannon Frizzell at 6 (playing first game in ITM cup this weekend for Tasman) - they have brought him back to attempt to fix the 6 spot.


And unless the rules change or ABs put a big dollar offer in front of Retallick to come back to NZ - DR needs to continue to develop locks.


Holland is already WC, Darry looks good and Lord, looks great lineout and field play but worry about his role in the scrums.


In fact, the issue is not the locks but 6 - you need 3 lineout targets to challenge the Boks/England etc - why I thought it was crazy to put a Peter Lakai, who is 1.86m vs Peter SDT 2m at 6 past weekend.


DR and co selected him and next thing we have is George Bower is suddenly a line out option - crazy, how do you attack if you have to throw to the Prop at the front of the Line out?

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Ciceron76 32 days ago

He said that new locks are growing and learning. He take examples whitelock and retallick to say that become top international lock take time.

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unknown 32 days ago

I agree. The bunch of youngsters in AB squad have potential. He just doesn’t seem to have many 3rd lineout option unless he played Vaaii on Flank. His boys won’t get any better if they keep throwing to the front of the lineout either.

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