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All Blacks 'went away from what was working and paid the ultimate price'

LONDON, ENGLAND - NOVEMBER 15: New Zealand's Will Jordan during the Quilter Nations Series 2025 rugby international match between England and New Zealand at Allianz Stadium on November 15, 2025 in London, England. (Photo by Rob Newell - CameraSport via Getty Images)

Former All Blacks pivot Stephen Donald has delivered his analysis on what went wrong in New Zealand’s loss to England at Twickenham, saying the Kiwis went away from what was working as England started to dictate terms.

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The 2011 Rugby World Cup hero reacted to the All Blacks’ third loss of the 2025 season this week with plenty of praise for their opponents, and fellow No.10 George Ford in particular, who was awarded Man of the Match for his efforts in a famous win.

Ford’s two drop-goals in the closing stages of the first half, after an Ollie Lawrence try initially reduced the England deficit, chipped away at what was a 12-0 New Zealand lead after 18 minutes. Ford’s game management and kicking off the tee thereafter continued to steer his side in the right direction both around the park and on the scoreboard.

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After giving Ford his flowers for a commanding performance and naming him a top-three drop-goal kicker of all time, only behind South Africa’s Morne Steyn and England’s Johnny Wilkinson, Donald turned his attention to the game’s tactics.

“I think what England did well was they brought up the All Blacks to them. And I’m not saying bring them to their level, I’m just saying bringing the All Blacks to their game,” he explained on The Aftermatch with Kirst & Beav.

“The All Blacks’ first 20-25 minutes, I was quite smugly sitting on the couch thinking, oh yeah, here we go. What a place to make a statement; Twickenham, full house. Everyone’s down on the All Blacks, but no, we’re going to go and put a good score on them, because we’re just playing too fast, too skilful.

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“But then a few things happened. The game started to slow down a bit. And that’s not to say that England weren’t attacking. When England attacked, they looked great. But they did it on their terms, did it at their pace, did it when they wanted to. They didn’t allow the All Blacks, or didn’t seem to allow the All Blacks, to break the game up, which I thought they were doing very well in the first 20-25 minutes.

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“A lot of the play was coming off Quin Tupaea. They had clearly, in their set piece analysis, identified that (England’s) back three was suspect, positionally, both as far as covering kicks and off first phase attack. So the All Blacks’ first phase attack, I thought, was great. They exploited the fact that England were coming up nice and square, but weren’t coming up at a pace that was going to shut the play down.

“So you think about what led to the tries; the wingers and centres were in no man’s land, and then the fullback was even more in no man’s land because he wasn’t connected to his winger. And 20 or 30 out from your line, you’ve got to be connected to your winger so you can shut down players. They weren’t shutting the All Blacks down. That was great analysis. They had a plan, and clearly it was working for them.

“You think about the (Cam) Roigard 50/22, easily manipulating by just sending a guy on the open side bringing, I think it was (Freddie) Steward at the time, across, opens up the space for 50/22.

“But it appears that, through a few things, England getting the game to be played how they want it to be played, dictating terms, slowed the game right down.

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“I thought our defensive line out was great. (Josh) Lord was picking them off and the like. So all these little things were working for them. The four-man lineout was working for them, then they went away from that, which surprised me, especially in the middle of the park, where it just seemed easy for them to win possession again in that first 20-25 minutes. But as the game wore on, they went away from what was working, I think, and paid the ultimate price.”

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Tuakana 24 days ago

Where's the adjustment? There has simply been NO adjustment or progress this year or since the appointment of this coaching group.

Earlier this year the ABs scrum was pushed around by the Boks. That was followed by a comment of “never again”. Now who hasn't been able to push the ABs scrum around? No progress or adjustment there.

The precedent has been set by NZR when they stepped in during Foster's time as coach. Now is the time for NZR to step in again.

Save All Black rugby

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SM 24 days ago

The problem is everyone thought Dmac is the man to take over, test rugby is different from super rugby and if the media and coaches looked at finals they would relise Chiefs rugby doesn't cut it.

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KM 25 days ago

England was great. The writer is correct. England took over, dominated, controlled the match, and forced the match to be played the way it wanted. It happens.


I’m just an Old Loosehead from Wisconsin. I fell for the All Blacks because my first real boots were Mitre All Blacks. Recently, I think they kick too much and rarely win the high ball battle. It’s just kicking away possession. And, then those fancy kick passes that are beautiful when they work but give away possession when they don’t. I think the All Blacks kick too much possession away which stops their momentum.


And, don’t get my knuckledragging butt going on the Cards. I though both yellows were horrible. Let the ruggers play.


And, And, the TMO? What the heck. Let the ref do their job. You should be like a child from my generation not heard until your asked.

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Nik 25 days ago

What a difference a year makes, Ford is now the hero and BB considered the failure, fate is so fickle.


Donald needs to watch the game again. NZ only had control from min 10 to min 20. NZ were lucky Eng didnt score in the first few minutes, they missed several opportunities thereafter and the scoreline at the end flattered NZ.

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Nik 25 days ago

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Tom 25 days ago

“The ultimate price” they didn't die Stephen! Bit dramatic. Is losing to England really the ultimate price for a Kiwi?

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SC 25 days ago

ABs had been riding their luck on tour and got well and truly found out at twickenham. Just face it the’re not the all conquering side of decades past…top sides in europe and rest of world have finally caught with them and in some instances passed them. Thats the way of sport.

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Tom 25 days ago

The NH have significantly closed the gap on the SH. I think you're right that gone are the days of absolute domination by the ABs. I'm sure they will become the top side again in the next decade but I don't see us returning to a time when they're invincible.


However I don't think it's just that NH, Argentina etc have improved. This just isn't a great ABs side. You compare it to the ABs from 2011-2015 and aside from Savea / Jordan the players just aren't at that level. Neither Foster nor Robertson have had the magic bullet and for all the criticism they receive it shouldn't be overlooked that they're working with a player base that right now aren't good enough to be the top side in the world and firing successive coaches won't fix that.


Mix back in Richie M, Jordie B, Mark Telea, Sititi, De Groot, Ioane and the ABs are a much scarier prospect.

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Karlos G 25 days ago

The fans are unhappy at the way we’re losing the big matches l think we’re fully aware that teams have got better it’s more that we have got worst in 2 years, made no progress our scrum got destroyed several times this year after doing pretty good last year with same players.The potential is there but the selections, coaching and hanging on to out of form players for too long is destroying the legacy of the ABs

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Bazzallina 25 days ago

QT distribution was on point but to many missed tackles an def booboos again and not really winning those collisions gone well tho but not in my top 23 Proctor was busy but much the same as QT just doesn’t miss as many when in the right place

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Karlos G 25 days ago

I don't think it’s a case of not being a good tackler or tackle technique, it’s defensive positioning and structures that should be coached by a very good defensive coach. Look at SA how hard is it to breach their line when other teams 5 - 10 metres out they’re like a rock solid wall, every player knows where he’s meant to be and not only makes the tackle but drives them back, it was bl**dy impressive, no matter where on the field they tackle and play like their life depends on it

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SB 25 days ago

The team lacks confidence once adversity happens because they don’t fully believe in the game plan implemented by the coaches, this is very clear.

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Carpet Monkey 25 days ago

I think it's pretty simple

Too many coaches

NZ is a small country

We taught the world how to play

Now we seem to play their game

A gizzillion operators

IT'S OUR GAME

Robertson stays..can't change that

Joseph- forwards

Brown - backs

Smith to oversee

Robertson - manager

Drop all the dead weight

Bring our team back


PLEASE

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John H 25 days ago

Get a bit sick of all the former AB/commentators blaming the game slowing down.

England won because they had a 1st 5 who ran the game. ABs had a 1st 5 who is way past it and Coaches tactics way off.

BB twice missed touch from penalty at least 3 wayward kicks and never ran to the line.

What is it with ABs kicking. Game still in the balance, spilt ball by England on attack, moved to Proctor he had the 2 x fastest AB (Jordan & Carter) in support, yes they were 60 odd mitres out but why did he kick it, feed the speed, beat some guys they had 3 on 2. Ended up England clearing just outside there 22.

Ccommentators said a good result Really, just another wasted opportunity

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Jordon 25 days ago

What actually happened is we won a penalty from the ruck for smith holding on and then Will Jordan scored a try from the lineout.

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Budhachief 25 days ago

If you look back it wasn't BB kicking for touch it was roigard and Jordan. Apparently BB was carrying a quad injury, which is insane that he started.

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ck 25 days ago

No they didn’t go away from the gameplan they got tired of,that gameplan is to high tempo to have the same intensity for 80mins

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