All Blacks fans wondering if XV versus Wales would have beaten England
Steve Hansen has named his All Blacks team for their final match at the World Cup – the bronze final against Wales this Friday – and it sees a number of players set to play their final match for their country.
Captain Kieran Read starts his 127th and last Test and he is joined in the starting XV by Sonny Bill Williams, Ryan Crotty and Ben Smith, with Matt Todd on the bench. All are playing their final New Zealand game.
Williams was on the bench against England and while Crotty and Smith have barely featured at RWC, the three of them add 187 caps to the starting XV and form a vastly more experienced backline alongside the returning Reiko Ioane.
Hansen has preferred to select on form throughout this RWC, with George Bridge and Sevu Reece largely starting on the wings, and Anton Lienert-Brown and Jack Goodhue starting in the centres (although it would be unfair to say Lienert-Brown is inexperienced with 42 caps).
But with the likes of Dane Coles and Sam Cane also starting this week in the pack after being on the bench for the semi-final loss go England, this is a much more experienced team.
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Barring a few players, this has roughly been the group that Hansen has looked to over the past four years and while many have not been starters this RWC, fans on social media are questioning whether this team would have performed better against the English last Saturday.
This is the eternal question as to whether coaches should pick players based on form or experience. While this is purely hypothetical, the players with more caps under their belt may have known how to overcome an insatiable England side.
Of course, hindsight is a wonderful thing and it would be fair to say that some of these players in the XV versus Wales went to Japan purely on reputation rather than anything they have shown for the All Blacks this year.
But it has not stopped fans from wondering ‘what if’. This is what has been said:
What could have been for the All Blacks had they picked this team last week. Would it have mattered? Who knows, but Wales are in for a hammering I think. https://t.co/kaFnIwuq1Y
— Hugh Webster (@hughwebster2) October 30, 2019
I'm about to say some "shoulda, woulda, coulda" but this is probably the team we should have used last Saturday. https://t.co/XHdr0l1bgM
— Twothless (@CamTwothless) October 30, 2019
This team should of been the starting line up last week..
— Paul Bridges (@paulbridges1809) October 30, 2019
Why didn't they choose a backline like that for England??
— Elmo-Jeff Sacco (@ej_sacco) October 30, 2019
He should’ve played this team against England
— thapelomokau (@clipamokau) October 30, 2019
If you had played this team in the Semi, we would’ve won.
— Eric (@er_icc) October 30, 2019
The backline that should of started against England !!!!
— Rangi Dellaway (@Rang8276) October 30, 2019
Hindsight is quite something, some would say this back line is the one which ought to have started last weekend.
— onenphilip (@philiponen_papa) October 30, 2019
A strong riposte is expected this Friday from a wounded New Zealand team and with the added emotion of it being the final match for Hansen and a number of his players, an injury-plagued Wales will need to be on top form.
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Like others, I am not seeing the connection between this edition of the Crusaders and the All Blacks future prospects under Razor. I think the analysis of the Crusaders attack recently is helpful because Razor and his coaching team used to be able to slot new guys in to their systems and see them succeed. Several of Razor’s coaches are still there so it would be surprising if the current attack and set piece has been overhauled to a great extent - but based on that analysis, it may have been. Whether it is too many new guys due to injuries or retirement or a failure of current Crusaders systems is the main question to be answered imo. It doesn’t seem relevant for the ABs.
3 Go to commentsharry potter is set in stone. he creates stability and finishes well. exactly what schmidt likes. he’s the ben smith of australian rugby. i think it could quite easily be potter toole and kellaway for the foreseeable future.
5 Go to commentsThis is short sighted from Clayton if you ask me, smacks of too much preseason planning and no adaptability. What if DMac is out for a must win match, are they still only going to bring their best first five and playmaker on late in the game? Trusting the game to someone who wasn’t even part of planning (they would have had Trask pinned in as Jacomb preseason). Perhaps if the Crusaders were better they would not have done this, but either way imo you take this opportunity to play a guy you might need starting in a final rather than having their 12th game getting comfortable coming off the bench.
1 Go to commentsThanks Brett.. At last a positive article on the potential of Wallaby candidates, great to read. Schmidt’s record as an international rugby coach speaks for itself, I’m somewhat confident he will turn the Wallaby’s fortunes around …. on the field. It will be up to others to steady the ship off the paddock. But is there a flaw in my optimism? We have known all along that Australia has the players to be very competitive with their international rivals. We know that because everyone keeps telling us. So why the poor results? A question that requires a definitive answer before the turn around can occur. Joe Schmidt signed on for 2 years, time to encompass the Lions tour of 2025. By all accounts he puts family first and that’s fair enough, but I would wager that his 2 year contract will be extended if the next 18 months or so shows the statement “Australia has the players” proves to be correct. The new coach does not have a lot of time to meld together an outfit that will be competitive in the Rugby Championship - it will be interesting to see what happens. It will be interesting to see what happens with Giteau law, the new Wallaby coach has already verbalised that he would to prefer to select from those who play their rugby in Australia. His first test in charge is in July just over 3 months away .. not a long time. I for one wish him well .. heaven knows Australia needs some positive vibes.
21 Go to commentsWhat a load of bollocks. The author has forgotten to mention the fact that the Crusaders have a huge injury toll with top world class players out. Not to mention the fact that they are obviously in a transition period. No this will not spark a slow death for NZ rugby, but it does mean there will be a new Super Rugby champion. Anyone who knows anything about NZ rugby knows that there is some serious talent here, it just isn’t all at the Crusaders.
3 Go to commentsI wouldn’t spend the time on Nawaqanitawase! No point in having him filling in a jersey when he’s committed to leave Union. Give the jersey to a young prospect who will be here in the future.
5 Go to commentsIt was a pleasure to watch those guys playing with such confidence. That trio can all be infuriating for different reasons and I can see why Jones might have decided against them. No way to justify leaving Ikitau out though. Jorgensen and him were both scheduled to return at the same time. Only one of them plays for Randwick and has a dad who is great mates with the national coach though.
53 Go to commentsBrayden Iose and Peter Lakai are very exciting Super Rugby players but are too short and too light to ever be a Test 8 vs South Africa, France, Ireland, and England, Lakai could potentially be a Test player at 7 if he is allowed to focus on 7 for Hurricanes.
7 Go to commentsPencils “Thomas du Toit” into possible 2027 Bok squad.
1 Go to commentsDon’t see why Harrison makes the bench. Jones can play at 10 if needed, and there is a good case for starting her there to begin with if testing combinations. That would leave room for Sing on the bench
1 Go to commentsWhat a load of old bull!
1 Go to commentsOf the rugby I’ve born witness to in my lifetime - 1990 to date - I recognize great players throughout those years. But I have no doubt the game and the players are on average better today. So I doubt going back further is going to prove me wrong. The technical components of the game, set pieces, scrums, kicks, kicks at goal. And in general tactics employed are far more efficient, accurate and polished. Professional athletes that have invested countless hours on being accurate. There is one nation though that may be fairly competitive in any era - and that for me is the all blacks. And New Zealand players in general. NZ produces startling athletes who have fantastic ball skills. And then the odd phenomenon like Brooke. Lomu. Mcaw. Carter. Better than comparing players and teams across eras - I’ve often had this thought - that it would be very interesting to have a version of the game that is closer to its original form. What would the game look like today if the rules were rolled back. Not rules that promote safety obviously - but rules like: - a try being worth 1 point and conversion 2 points. Hence the term “try”. Earning a try at goals. Would we see more attacking play? - no lifting in the lineouts. - rucks and break down laws in general. They looked like wrestling matches in bygone eras. I wonder what a game applying 1995 rules would look like with modern players. It may be a daft exercise, but it would make for an interesting spectacle celebrating “purer” forms of the game that roll back the rules dramatically by a few versions. Would we come to learn that some of the rules/combinations of the rules we see today have actually made the game less attractive? I’d love to see an exhibition match like that.
29 Go to commentsIrish Rugby CEO be texting Andy Farrell “Andy, i found our next Kiwi Irishman”
5 Go to commentsI certainly don’t miss drinking beers at 8am in the morning watching rugby games being played in NZ.
1 Go to commentsThis looks like a damage limitation exercise for Wales, keeping back some of their more effective players for the last 20/25 minutes to try and counter England’s fresh legs so the Red Roses don’t rack up a big score.
1 Go to commentsVery unlikely the Bulls will beat Leinster in Dublin. It would be different in Pretoria.
1 Go to commentsI think it is a dangerous path to go down to ban a player for the same period that a player they injured takes to recover. Players would be afraid to tackle anyone. I once tackled my best friend at school in a practice match and sprained his ankle. I paid for it by having to play fly-half instead of full-back for the rest of that season’s fixtures.
5 Go to commentsJust such a genuine good bloke…and probably the best all round player in his generation. Good guys do come first sometimes and he handled the W.Cup loss with great attitude.
2 Go to commentsWord in France is that he’s on the radar of a few Top14 clubs.
5 Go to commentsGet blocking Travis, this guy has styles and he’s gonna make a swift impact…!
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