This time next year it will be the highest-profile, most experienced players making their career announcements, and New Zealand will see a host of long-serving All Blacks reveal plans to head offshore after the World Cup.
Most likely Beauden Barrett, Ardie Savea, Codie Taylor and Scott Barrett – possibly others – will confirm they are not staying in New Zealand after 2027. But it will be relatively predictable and NZR’s contracting team, the All Blacks and respective Super Rugby clubs will all have planned for it.
Since the dawn of the professional age, New Zealand’s most experienced players have built their careers around World Cups and it will be no surprise if Beauden Barrett and Savea announce they are heading to Japan, and that Taylor may be retiring.
Scott Barrett could stay in New Zealand for a crack at the British Lions in 2029, but the point is New Zealand Rugby is prepared for an exodus next year.
It will be time for these veterans to move on. They will have given their best years to New Zealand and having reached their mid-30s, there won’t be enough left in the tank to make it through another cycle.
Codie Taylor, Jordie Barrett, Beauden Barrett and Ardie Savea all face big decisions regarding their futures in New Zealand (Photo Craig Butland/MB Media/Getty Images)
Everyone knows the drill: about 700 Test caps moved on after the 2023 World Cup, a relatively light figure in comparison with what was lost after the 2015 tournament when Richie McCaw, Dan Carter, Keven Mealamu, Tony Woodcock, Conrad Smith and Ma’a Nonu left New Zealand or retired.
But a new trend is emerging that NZR is not so well-equipped to deal with – and that is a flow of mid-tier talent leaving the country a year before the World Cup.
Already in 2026, it has been announced that Dalton Papali’i, Hoskins Sotutu, AJ Lam, Dallas McLeod, Braydon Ennor, Sevu Reece and Fehi Fineanganafo are heading offshore after Super Rugby. These players are the backbone of Super Rugby – seasoned professionals that deliver on demand.
The sort of players that Super Rugby coaches love because they lift training standards, drive their peers harder through preseason, deliver quality performances week after week and front at crucial times.
They also don’t fall under All Blacks protocol of having to sit out at last two games and make a graduated start to the season. All of them are either capped, on the verge of being capped, or in the case of Fineanganafo, have played sevens for New Zealand.
But for various reasons, none have been able to achieve all they wanted at the highest level. Ennor missed out on the 2023 World Cup when he seriously injured a knee on the eve of the tournament, while Papali’i, went from being a sometimes starter but regular matchday 23 pick for the All Blacks between 202-2024, to not being in the squad at all last year.
Both of them, though, make massive respective contributions to the Crusaders and Blues and have been and will be critical players this season as both clubs mount title bids.
Reece was a regular starter for the All Blacks last year but lost his place when it became apparent his skill-set was no longer right for the international game.But at Super Rugby – where he is the all-time highest try scorer – he remains an electric presence capable of magical moments.
McLeod won a single cap in 2023 but hasn’t been able to force is way back into the picture, and a year out from the World Cup players on the fringes of the All Blacks tend to be targeted by offshore clubs with compelling offers.
Foreign clubs come hard and players and agents in New Zealand know that next year, the offers will dry up because budgets will be set aside to sign the Saveas and Beauden Barretts of the world.
It becomes a relatively simple equation for this second tier of players – they weigh up the likelihood of making the World Cup squad against the money on offer offshore and they typically decide its time to move on even if their Super Rugby club is desperate for them to stay.
And this is an increasing problem for New Zealand, that large swathes of the playing base have their futures shaped for them by the likelihood or otherwise of them making the All Blacks.
Dalton Papali’i, the Blues captain, is heading to France to join Castres (Photo Dave Rowland/Getty Images)
“I think we should be [worried] and need to have better alignment, better conversations and earlier conversations with players such as Dalton,” Blues coach Vern Cotter lamented the day it was announced Papali’i was leaving.
“He felt he had more to contribute but wasn’t invited, so he made a decision to move. He’s captain material and he could have been an All Blacks captain.Losing him from New Zealand rugby hurts a bit but he’s got a family and a lot of other things to take into consideration.”
The problem for Super Rugby clubs is that they have little to no leverage or money to throw at players they want to keep, because payment systems are centralised and determined entirely through a collective employment negotiated by the Players’ Association.
But in a quirk of timing, the collective employment agreement was extended for another three years a few days after Papali’i announced he was leaving and the big hope with the updated agreement is that it proves more effective at keeping experienced players in New Zealand for longer.
Rob Nichol, who heads the Players’ Association, says that finding ways to incentivise experienced Super Rugby players to stay for a year or two longer was a focal point of the agreement.
The way things work are that Super Rugby clubs can pay players a maximum of $195,000, with anything between 40-45 players – those agreed to be in the All Blacks frame – qualifying for an NZR top-up that can be anything from $100,000 a year to $800,000 a year. The All Blacks also pay weekly assembly fees of $7,500, so the country’s top players earn anything between $350,000 to $1.1m a year.
But for that group of around 15-20 players who have maybe won a cap previously but sit outside the national team conversation, they typically earn between $140,000-$170,000 from their Super Rugby contract, and between $30,000-$40,000 from playing in the NPC.
Under the new agreement, however, there is an annual loyalty payment of $50,000 available to those who have been in Super Rugby for seven seasons ($35,000 for 5-6 years; $12,500 for 3-4 years and $5,000 for 1-2).
There is also a new fund of $750,000 available to top up contracts of players such as Papali’i and Ennor that the Blues and Crusaders (and NZR) would like to keep for another year or two.
Whether this improved suite of incentives proves enough in future to persuade experienced players to stay in New Zealand for longer remains to be seen, but the impact of losing seasoned campaigners is undeniable.
The average age of Super Rugby squads in New Zealand is just 24 – a figure which suggests overseas clubs continue to be the beneficiaries of the development system.
The average age of Super Rugby players in New Zealand has dropped due to older players being lured overseas by bigger contracts (Photo Dave Rowland/Getty Images)
New Zealand identifies, develops and invests in a wide playing base, but typically, once a player has five to six years Super Rugby experience, they leave. It’s more problematic than it may seem, particularly if there is an exodus at one club, which has been the case at the Blues.
Not only are Papali’i and Lam leaving, but so too is Hoskins Sotutu, and last year they saw Mark Telea, Harry Plummer, Akira Ioane and Ricci Riccitelli move on.
All these players were instrumental in the Blues’ title win in 2024 and by 2027, all of them will have gone. How is a club supposed to build a dynasty when so many players have left, all, primarily because they couldn’t fulfil or didn’t think they would fulfil their international ambitions.
As Papali’i said: “It was probably one of the hardest decisions of my life. My blood is blue and it runs deep – my loyalty is to this team. I’ve had nine or 10 years here and they’re the best memories of my life.”
Much has been made about the relative demise of the All Blacks in the last five years or so and their inability to hold standards around basic skill execution the way they used to.
It’s likely that this loss of experienced players in Super Rugby arguably is hurting them more than anyone realises.
I can hear the fat lady in the background clearing her throat because come 2027 she's singing the last note of NZ Rugby, you guys are cooked Super Rugby pacific is not producing Test match intensity and all your last great players are leaving, you guys are done for
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SC 43 days ago
Here is an idea.
Let overseas clubs pay the salaries of the top All Blacks and allow selection of any NZ player who has 7 or more seasons of Super Rugby (full contracts, not WTS) to All Blacks , regardless of number of test caps.
Reinvest the savings from these higher contract to Super Rugby players with less than 7 years experience so they remain in NZ.
This increases the player base and reduces losing young players to overseas and to the All Blacks.
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Spew_81 43 days ago
Something like that seems like the best option.
Also, at the moment it costs so much to lock an All Black in that coaches feel the need to play them whether they are in form or not.
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unknown 44 days ago
New Zealand has a population of 5-6 million which is a tiny commercial market. Even if SR or NPC were the best competitons in the world, NZ wouldn't have enough money to keep everyone. All we can do is try our best to keep top talent here and get even better at developing new players.
Maybe it's also time to open up selection to overseas based experienced ABs. Let someone else pay their salary and expose them to other playing styles and coaching techniques.
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JW 44 days ago
It’s still only the same 3 odd million that are relevant to the rugby discussion though unknown.
In saying that though all the worlds top leagues are funded off their global enterprise, so size need not be as relevant as you say. You would hope that one day rugby starts rivalling football though, and I think this time it will be impossible for a Premier League type to get such dominance (so there will be half a dozen leagues SR has to compete with).
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Fid 44 days ago
From 2010 onwards, when the Saffa Rand fell off a cliff, this accelerated across the SA franchises leaving most squads with under 25’s and overly seasoned players in the last couple of years before retirement. Since joining the URC and Champions Cup, this trend has started reversing and the age profile across the franchise squads has started rebalancing. With increased revenue in SA Rugby and the sustained high performance of the national team, the mass migration abroad each year seems to have halted for now. But now others are feeling it, albeit for slightly different reasons.
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JW 44 days ago
Part of what NZ is feeling now will be due to the dollar as well with these guys loosing out on 100k compared to what they would have been offered over a year ago. That’s midtier too.
NZ clubs had that age profile in the early 2010’s too, getting as low as 24 but the end but now back up around the 26’s I think (no doubt about to take a dive next year!). Lets how the financial state of the world improves!
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John Breslin 45 days ago
I did not ever know that NPC pays to play!
Everyday is a school day
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DP 45 days ago
NZR is hurting NZ rugby. It’s like watching SA Rugby from 1995 through to 2018.
Long term even if NZR does allow overseas based players they’re still fecked seeing as their domestic “super rugby” competition is no longer up to scratch as evidenced by their pathetic attempt to rewrite the pillars of rugby union laws.
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SC 43 days ago
New Zealand and Australia’s desire to reduce the number of scrums in a match is certainly hurting their development of forwards, especially tight forwards.
Ironically, the great McCaw era team had the most dominant scrum in the world from 2005-2015
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JW 44 days ago
Yeah the demise of CC and NPC is a stain on both nations, the law improvements have only helped the popularity of that level of the game though, they need to keep doing that if it’s ever going to allow them to match countries with massive populations.
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JW 45 days ago
I feel this is a sloppy article, the International quality but-not-yet-AllBlacks have always been the most likely to go. I think the author is confusing these players for the likes of stalwarts like Rentons, Christies (7) etc.
Given that it’s about money, these new ideas are obviously going to help, I just think NZR needs to think bigger. Find a market for SR, market over seas All Blacks and more teams better, with with a Barbarians team and more ABXV fixtures, hell, even play TRC in February in NH countries with free All Blacks and reinvest all that money in a better local tournament in the Pacific.
There are just so many ways of increasing revenue, as it would be nice to reverse these existing drains, but Fineanganafo is the only player in a new category, and even if following in similar footsteps of Leicester it might be beneficial for NZR/ABs.
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SB 45 days ago
If the club game was stronger in New Zealand or Super Rugby in general, more money would be available to be paid to the players which means less chance of this underbelly of players to leave. Is a centralised contract system the right way moving forward long term for the future of rugby? I’m not convinced.
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SC 43 days ago
There is no private investment coming from NZ corporations to fund Super Rugby at the same level as NZR currently do.
It is as simple as that.
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JW 45 days ago
The club game is strong enough in NZ, it is in Australia, and previously before that, South Africa, where it needs to be stronger. Then after that is fixed, it would be far more marketable globally and then (if it can’t be done now) could compete in a similar fashion to other leagues.
I think the real question is is it right for getting to that sustainable point. I think all the various models around the world have sound principles that can survive/be sustainable.
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B 45 days ago
Three International players come to mind that NZR signed off on their release forms…
Bundee Aki (2014), Jamison Gibson-Park (2016), James Lowe (2017)…
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JW 45 days ago
Yeah, they are very fair, have done the same with Dalton and haven’t forced too much out of Sotutu.
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BleedRed&Black 45 days ago
Contrary to the Gregor Paul's claims, NZ rugby is better off without almost all of the players quoted. NZ rugby needs players on their way up, not players who have plateaued or are on their way down.
Dallas McLeod, Braydon Ennor and Sevu Reece have done as much as they can for the Crusaders, let alone the AB's. Ennor and Reece's legs are gone, while McLeod never had any agility in the first place and therefore the ability to pick a gap and clear it. Their presence is getting in the way of the development of Leicester Fainga'anuku, Aki Tuivailala, Toby Bell and Cooper Roberts in the midfield, and Chay Fihaki, Macca Springer, Maloni Kunawave and Kurtis MacDonald in the outside backs.
The same applies for the Blues. The development of Anton Segner, Cameron Christie, Che Clark and Malachi Wrampling, all potential AB's, is being stymied by the presence of Hoskins Sotutu, who has been sulking for years. The claim that Sotutu "drives standards" is laughable. AJ Lam, who is now leaden footed and little more than a Umaga-Jensen like bludgeoner, is getting in the way of James Cameron and Xavi Taele. Only Dalton Papali'i is a loss from a playing standards POV, though no loss from a talent POV. He has plateaued, will never be a first choice AB, and has been released a year early by NZR.
Losing Fehi Fineanganofo, a talent on his way up, is the only bad news. No one really knows what his level is, and we'll never find out. It would be particularly painful if he was a Charles Piutau grade talent.
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GS 42 days ago
All the players listed above are in their prime playing years - around age 27/28, and why are they stopping these other players from being selected? Well, because the respective coaching staff consider that they are, at this moment, better players.
I mean, let’s look at a couple of the players - both Malachi Wrampling and Xavi Taele are only 21 years old - players of huge talent, yes, but still only 21.
Then let’s consider/compare the player who is leaden-footed - AJ Lam is around 1.88/100kg vs Taele - 1.82/90kg - who exactly is physically ready for Super Rugby and then AB XV/ABs?
Or what about Wrampling - 112Kg/192cm vs Hoskins - matches nicely 112kg/192cm - but look at the experience gap - Wrampling zero games at Super level and handful - around 5 at ITM cup level - so next year Blues will be replacing a quality Super level player with a kid with a handful of caps. Huge talent, but still a kid learning his trade.
Then there is the danger that if we inject these players too soon into Super Rugby (rather than giving them 20-30 minutes off the bench), we are setting them up to fail.
That is why NZ Rugby has introduced the Super Rugby development comp this year - to give these players game time and get them ready for this level of rugby. In the writer’s world, instead, we should be rolling out First XV players because guess what, they are “potential ABs”
But to show you how seriously dumb these comments are: the NZRFU are recognising that we can’t afford to continue losing these mid-tier players, and a coach as respected as Cotter is highlighting this as an issue.
Maybe people should also consider why these players and not the likes of a Taele/Wampling are getting brought up by overseas clubs - remember these are “potential ABs”, if these players who are departing are hopeless/past there prime, why exactly are they being recruited - the likes of a Wrampling would come a lot cheaper than a Dalton P or Hoskins to an overseas club?
But for some reason, these clubs see much more value in them - why is that exactly?
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Tom 42 days ago
I haven't followed NZR for a few years but I can't help but feel the relentless drain of talent is a huge net negative. You can argue there is a constant turnover to bring on new blood but there is so much less completion for places as strength in depth is diminished.
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SC 43 days ago
I agree BRB.
The only loss is Fineanganofo, who at 24, would likely have been selected as a wing to the South Africa tour, and perhaps the RWC squad.
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GP 45 days ago
Interesting points. But I do not think Braydon Ennor’s “legs are gone”. He was outstanding in Super and NPC last year. Dallas McLeod is an old school midfield back and a damn good footballer. Leicester Fainga’anuku has only recently come back from France and is hardly a “developing player”.He came off the bench and played brilliantly against the Brumbies after a shaky game the week before against the Highlanders.He was a big part of Roberson’s successes with the Crusaders, especially 2021-23. Chay Fihaki is a player going places and is starting again as he deserves.He was a big part of the Crusaders and Canterbury winning last year and is not languishing on the bench. Macca Springer is currently injured , ( as is Maloni Kunawave).I agree though , when fit I would like to see Macca Springer given more starts when he is available.. Cooper Roberts is injured and Toby Bell’s time will come and it is only his first year in the Crusaders.Aki Tuivailala hopefully gets a go , but once again injury has played it’s part.Outstanding 2025 Canterbury halfback Louis Chapman has moved ahead of that great stalwart Mitchell Drummond. In the forwards Johnny Lee, Oli Mathis , Xavier Treacy and Finn McLeod are coming through and are set to play a big part in red and black rugby , sooner rather than later and in the years to come.
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JW 45 days ago
Yeah, there is soo much, too much, talent coming through.
Also, Suafoa god willing, a back three of Segner, Suafoa, and Christie could be better than Dalton/Sotutu/Akira if they get a chance.
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Top16 45 days ago
Je crois que le SR est le meilleur championnat du Monde, avec les meilleurs joueurs du Monde, non?
Alors, pourquoi avez-vous peur que des joueurs de niveau intermédiaire aillent faire les beaux jours des piètres clubs de NH?
Bizarre…
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Spew_81 43 days ago
Those mid tier players raise the standard of the competition. Some are ‘late bloomers’, some are only used as ‘second string’ injury replacements for the All Blacks - but better a second string’ injury replacement than a talented rookie.
Super 12 used to be the best. Super Rugby is still good, but the Top 14 is probably the highest average quality non-international competition.
Super Rugby, steadily, went downhill as soon as they added more teams. Then when they kicked South African and Argentinian teams out the competition became unbalanced style wise. In the hey day of Super 12: the South Africans had the grunt, the Australians the razzle-dazzle, and the New Zealand teams had all round skills - with 95% of the grunt of the South Africans and 95% of the razzle-dazzle of the Australians. As soon as the New Zealand teams were better, almost ‘all around’, Super Rugby was never going to the ‘high performance academy’ it was.
Players leave for money. Super Rugby can’t attract enough sponsorship. Less chance with no: South African, Argentinian, or Japanese teams and their sponsors and viewers.
Also, the All Black jersey does not mean the same thing to many of the players these days. Many of them only seem care about the colour of money; I guess if the whole family is relying in you and one bad injury can derail the money train then makes a difference to the thought process.
Rugby is a professional sport, chasing money has to be expected. But I still find it funny that paying the players made then ‘less’ loyal 🤣
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JW 45 days ago
There has always been a worry the drain would change that. I think the author is misjudging things now though.
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B 45 days ago
Crikey…Fair suck of the sav mate…
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PickOllieMathisOrKeepLosing,Rob. 45 days ago
I think we might be getting this backwards.
How about, let the northern clubs develop the talent first. We send guys over 18-21 sort of thing.
Then, we dangle an All Black jersey in front of them if they sign for a Super Rugby side. A bit of governmental tax intervention, personal brand sponsorship like what rugby 365 were proposing.
NZ style offers a different style that they will be familiar with but need more time with to be become a better player etc etc all that bollocks.
Josh Morby has gotten better. Peter Ahki a bit long in the tooth but he turned out just fine.
JGP/Lowe/Bundee would have never been regular ABs with how they they played in Super rugby; Ireland finished their development.
It’ll weed out the posers, too. Young, cash rich comfortable lifestyle… only the players who truely want that jersey and are hardcore driven enough to succeed will come back.
The cream of the crop. (And the odd guy escaping a DV or driving charge.)
All paid for with northern chequebooks.
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Spew_81 43 days ago
I can see the value in letting the veterans e.g. 50 All Black caps play overseas (while on an overall contract to the NZRU), but still be eligible for the All Blacks.
The club pays 80% of their wage. The player bets that there isn’t an equal or better New Zealand based player.
But sending the raw 18-21 year old talent is asking for them to get poached. Unless the NZRU can get them to sign a long term contract with the NZRU, and those contracts don’t end up costing a lot.
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Spew_81 43 days ago
If the NZRU sends 18-21 year old raw talent overseas. In five years time a good portion of the best of them will be playing against the All Blacks.
Unsure if the NZRU will pay for long term contracts for all those 18-21 year olds that leave, to stop them playing for other nations. Or if those 18-21 year olds would sign such a contract.
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JW 45 days ago
Yep, I made the point again in my post to abuse the “second” team to pick 40 NH players for the international windows. All of them, not just the November one they use now.
Keep the ABXV for local players, make a new BaaBaas like team of the overseas players and get them playing as the All Blacks. You then not just can keep and use overseas players for revenue but you also stop NZ players from being so highly prized (because the clubs aren’t able to abuse their availability compared to other countries players).
So you’re not just getting players learning and having overseas investment put in them, but your also still getting a huge benefit yourself.
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I can hear the fat lady in the background clearing her throat because come 2027 she's singing the last note of NZ Rugby, you guys are cooked Super Rugby pacific is not producing Test match intensity and all your last great players are leaving, you guys are done for
Here is an idea.
Let overseas clubs pay the salaries of the top All Blacks and allow selection of any NZ player who has 7 or more seasons of Super Rugby (full contracts, not WTS) to All Blacks , regardless of number of test caps.
Reinvest the savings from these higher contract to Super Rugby players with less than 7 years experience so they remain in NZ.
This increases the player base and reduces losing young players to overseas and to the All Blacks.
Something like that seems like the best option.
Also, at the moment it costs so much to lock an All Black in that coaches feel the need to play them whether they are in form or not.
New Zealand has a population of 5-6 million which is a tiny commercial market. Even if SR or NPC were the best competitons in the world, NZ wouldn't have enough money to keep everyone. All we can do is try our best to keep top talent here and get even better at developing new players.
Maybe it's also time to open up selection to overseas based experienced ABs. Let someone else pay their salary and expose them to other playing styles and coaching techniques.
It’s still only the same 3 odd million that are relevant to the rugby discussion though unknown.
In saying that though all the worlds top leagues are funded off their global enterprise, so size need not be as relevant as you say. You would hope that one day rugby starts rivalling football though, and I think this time it will be impossible for a Premier League type to get such dominance (so there will be half a dozen leagues SR has to compete with).
From 2010 onwards, when the Saffa Rand fell off a cliff, this accelerated across the SA franchises leaving most squads with under 25’s and overly seasoned players in the last couple of years before retirement. Since joining the URC and Champions Cup, this trend has started reversing and the age profile across the franchise squads has started rebalancing. With increased revenue in SA Rugby and the sustained high performance of the national team, the mass migration abroad each year seems to have halted for now. But now others are feeling it, albeit for slightly different reasons.
Part of what NZ is feeling now will be due to the dollar as well with these guys loosing out on 100k compared to what they would have been offered over a year ago. That’s midtier too.
NZ clubs had that age profile in the early 2010’s too, getting as low as 24 but the end but now back up around the 26’s I think (no doubt about to take a dive next year!). Lets how the financial state of the world improves!
I did not ever know that NPC pays to play!
Everyday is a school day
NZR is hurting NZ rugby. It’s like watching SA Rugby from 1995 through to 2018.
Long term even if NZR does allow overseas based players they’re still fecked seeing as their domestic “super rugby” competition is no longer up to scratch as evidenced by their pathetic attempt to rewrite the pillars of rugby union laws.
New Zealand and Australia’s desire to reduce the number of scrums in a match is certainly hurting their development of forwards, especially tight forwards.
Ironically, the great McCaw era team had the most dominant scrum in the world from 2005-2015
Yeah the demise of CC and NPC is a stain on both nations, the law improvements have only helped the popularity of that level of the game though, they need to keep doing that if it’s ever going to allow them to match countries with massive populations.
I feel this is a sloppy article, the International quality but-not-yet-AllBlacks have always been the most likely to go. I think the author is confusing these players for the likes of stalwarts like Rentons, Christies (7) etc.
Given that it’s about money, these new ideas are obviously going to help, I just think NZR needs to think bigger. Find a market for SR, market over seas All Blacks and more teams better, with with a Barbarians team and more ABXV fixtures, hell, even play TRC in February in NH countries with free All Blacks and reinvest all that money in a better local tournament in the Pacific.
There are just so many ways of increasing revenue, as it would be nice to reverse these existing drains, but Fineanganafo is the only player in a new category, and even if following in similar footsteps of Leicester it might be beneficial for NZR/ABs.
If the club game was stronger in New Zealand or Super Rugby in general, more money would be available to be paid to the players which means less chance of this underbelly of players to leave. Is a centralised contract system the right way moving forward long term for the future of rugby? I’m not convinced.
There is no private investment coming from NZ corporations to fund Super Rugby at the same level as NZR currently do.
It is as simple as that.
The club game is strong enough in NZ, it is in Australia, and previously before that, South Africa, where it needs to be stronger. Then after that is fixed, it would be far more marketable globally and then (if it can’t be done now) could compete in a similar fashion to other leagues.
I think the real question is is it right for getting to that sustainable point. I think all the various models around the world have sound principles that can survive/be sustainable.
Three International players come to mind that NZR signed off on their release forms…
Bundee Aki (2014), Jamison Gibson-Park (2016), James Lowe (2017)…
Yeah, they are very fair, have done the same with Dalton and haven’t forced too much out of Sotutu.
Contrary to the Gregor Paul's claims, NZ rugby is better off without almost all of the players quoted. NZ rugby needs players on their way up, not players who have plateaued or are on their way down.
Dallas McLeod, Braydon Ennor and Sevu Reece have done as much as they can for the Crusaders, let alone the AB's. Ennor and Reece's legs are gone, while McLeod never had any agility in the first place and therefore the ability to pick a gap and clear it. Their presence is getting in the way of the development of Leicester Fainga'anuku, Aki Tuivailala, Toby Bell and Cooper Roberts in the midfield, and Chay Fihaki, Macca Springer, Maloni Kunawave and Kurtis MacDonald in the outside backs.
The same applies for the Blues. The development of Anton Segner, Cameron Christie, Che Clark and Malachi Wrampling, all potential AB's, is being stymied by the presence of Hoskins Sotutu, who has been sulking for years. The claim that Sotutu "drives standards" is laughable. AJ Lam, who is now leaden footed and little more than a Umaga-Jensen like bludgeoner, is getting in the way of James Cameron and Xavi Taele. Only Dalton Papali'i is a loss from a playing standards POV, though no loss from a talent POV. He has plateaued, will never be a first choice AB, and has been released a year early by NZR.
Losing Fehi Fineanganofo, a talent on his way up, is the only bad news. No one really knows what his level is, and we'll never find out. It would be particularly painful if he was a Charles Piutau grade talent.
All the players listed above are in their prime playing years - around age 27/28, and why are they stopping these other players from being selected? Well, because the respective coaching staff consider that they are, at this moment, better players.
I mean, let’s look at a couple of the players - both Malachi Wrampling and Xavi Taele are only 21 years old - players of huge talent, yes, but still only 21.
Then let’s consider/compare the player who is leaden-footed - AJ Lam is around 1.88/100kg vs Taele - 1.82/90kg - who exactly is physically ready for Super Rugby and then AB XV/ABs?
Or what about Wrampling - 112Kg/192cm vs Hoskins - matches nicely 112kg/192cm - but look at the experience gap - Wrampling zero games at Super level and handful - around 5 at ITM cup level - so next year Blues will be replacing a quality Super level player with a kid with a handful of caps. Huge talent, but still a kid learning his trade.
Then there is the danger that if we inject these players too soon into Super Rugby (rather than giving them 20-30 minutes off the bench), we are setting them up to fail.
That is why NZ Rugby has introduced the Super Rugby development comp this year - to give these players game time and get them ready for this level of rugby. In the writer’s world, instead, we should be rolling out First XV players because guess what, they are “potential ABs”
But to show you how seriously dumb these comments are: the NZRFU are recognising that we can’t afford to continue losing these mid-tier players, and a coach as respected as Cotter is highlighting this as an issue.
Maybe people should also consider why these players and not the likes of a Taele/Wampling are getting brought up by overseas clubs - remember these are “potential ABs”, if these players who are departing are hopeless/past there prime, why exactly are they being recruited - the likes of a Wrampling would come a lot cheaper than a Dalton P or Hoskins to an overseas club?
But for some reason, these clubs see much more value in them - why is that exactly?
I haven't followed NZR for a few years but I can't help but feel the relentless drain of talent is a huge net negative. You can argue there is a constant turnover to bring on new blood but there is so much less completion for places as strength in depth is diminished.
I agree BRB.
The only loss is Fineanganofo, who at 24, would likely have been selected as a wing to the South Africa tour, and perhaps the RWC squad.
Interesting points. But I do not think Braydon Ennor’s “legs are gone”. He was outstanding in Super and NPC last year. Dallas McLeod is an old school midfield back and a damn good footballer. Leicester Fainga’anuku has only recently come back from France and is hardly a “developing player”.He came off the bench and played brilliantly against the Brumbies after a shaky game the week before against the Highlanders.He was a big part of Roberson’s successes with the Crusaders, especially 2021-23. Chay Fihaki is a player going places and is starting again as he deserves.He was a big part of the Crusaders and Canterbury winning last year and is not languishing on the bench. Macca Springer is currently injured , ( as is Maloni Kunawave).I agree though , when fit I would like to see Macca Springer given more starts when he is available.. Cooper Roberts is injured and Toby Bell’s time will come and it is only his first year in the Crusaders.Aki Tuivailala hopefully gets a go , but once again injury has played it’s part.Outstanding 2025 Canterbury halfback Louis Chapman has moved ahead of that great stalwart Mitchell Drummond. In the forwards Johnny Lee, Oli Mathis , Xavier Treacy and Finn McLeod are coming through and are set to play a big part in red and black rugby , sooner rather than later and in the years to come.
Yeah, there is soo much, too much, talent coming through.
Also, Suafoa god willing, a back three of Segner, Suafoa, and Christie could be better than Dalton/Sotutu/Akira if they get a chance.
Je crois que le SR est le meilleur championnat du Monde, avec les meilleurs joueurs du Monde, non?
Alors, pourquoi avez-vous peur que des joueurs de niveau intermédiaire aillent faire les beaux jours des piètres clubs de NH?
Bizarre…
Those mid tier players raise the standard of the competition. Some are ‘late bloomers’, some are only used as ‘second string’ injury replacements for the All Blacks - but better a second string’ injury replacement than a talented rookie.
Super 12 used to be the best. Super Rugby is still good, but the Top 14 is probably the highest average quality non-international competition.
Super Rugby, steadily, went downhill as soon as they added more teams. Then when they kicked South African and Argentinian teams out the competition became unbalanced style wise. In the hey day of Super 12: the South Africans had the grunt, the Australians the razzle-dazzle, and the New Zealand teams had all round skills - with 95% of the grunt of the South Africans and 95% of the razzle-dazzle of the Australians. As soon as the New Zealand teams were better, almost ‘all around’, Super Rugby was never going to the ‘high performance academy’ it was.
Players leave for money. Super Rugby can’t attract enough sponsorship. Less chance with no: South African, Argentinian, or Japanese teams and their sponsors and viewers.
Also, the All Black jersey does not mean the same thing to many of the players these days. Many of them only seem care about the colour of money; I guess if the whole family is relying in you and one bad injury can derail the money train then makes a difference to the thought process.
Rugby is a professional sport, chasing money has to be expected. But I still find it funny that paying the players made then ‘less’ loyal 🤣
There has always been a worry the drain would change that. I think the author is misjudging things now though.
Crikey…Fair suck of the sav mate…
I think we might be getting this backwards.
How about, let the northern clubs develop the talent first. We send guys over 18-21 sort of thing.
Then, we dangle an All Black jersey in front of them if they sign for a Super Rugby side. A bit of governmental tax intervention, personal brand sponsorship like what rugby 365 were proposing.
NZ style offers a different style that they will be familiar with but need more time with to be become a better player etc etc all that bollocks.
Josh Morby has gotten better. Peter Ahki a bit long in the tooth but he turned out just fine.
JGP/Lowe/Bundee would have never been regular ABs with how they they played in Super rugby; Ireland finished their development.
It’ll weed out the posers, too. Young, cash rich comfortable lifestyle… only the players who truely want that jersey and are hardcore driven enough to succeed will come back.
The cream of the crop. (And the odd guy escaping a DV or driving charge.)
All paid for with northern chequebooks.
I can see the value in letting the veterans e.g. 50 All Black caps play overseas (while on an overall contract to the NZRU), but still be eligible for the All Blacks.
The club pays 80% of their wage. The player bets that there isn’t an equal or better New Zealand based player.
But sending the raw 18-21 year old talent is asking for them to get poached. Unless the NZRU can get them to sign a long term contract with the NZRU, and those contracts don’t end up costing a lot.
If the NZRU sends 18-21 year old raw talent overseas. In five years time a good portion of the best of them will be playing against the All Blacks.
Unsure if the NZRU will pay for long term contracts for all those 18-21 year olds that leave, to stop them playing for other nations. Or if those 18-21 year olds would sign such a contract.
Yep, I made the point again in my post to abuse the “second” team to pick 40 NH players for the international windows. All of them, not just the November one they use now.
Keep the ABXV for local players, make a new BaaBaas like team of the overseas players and get them playing as the All Blacks. You then not just can keep and use overseas players for revenue but you also stop NZ players from being so highly prized (because the clubs aren’t able to abuse their availability compared to other countries players).
So you’re not just getting players learning and having overseas investment put in them, but your also still getting a huge benefit yourself.
And a trip abroad is often very rewarding…
Pick your overseas based players
So simple isn’t it.