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The TV gimmick that thrust Fraser Dingwall into the spotlight

Fraser Dingwall made his England debut against Italy earlier this year (Photo by Dan Mullan/ Getty Images)

Those that play with him, coach him, and watch him on a regular basis fully understand Fraser Dingwall’s importance to Northampton Saints. Put simply, Dingwall is the glue that knits the backline together.

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Still only 25, Dingwall plays with a maturity beyond his years, bringing the best out of flashier players besides him. He can count himself unlucky to have won just two England caps so far, against the weakest sides in this year’s Guinness Men’s Six Nations, Italy and Wales, despite being named in nine senior squads.

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The Cambridge-born player’s under-the-radar profile has possibly worked against him when it comes to Test opportunities but being name-checked by Joe El Abd in the new defence coach’s first media session suggests he could have a big role to play this Autumn, especially with Henry Slade still sidelined with a shoulder injury.

“The 13 is really important in any defensive system,” explained El Abd. “In the last few games, Henry Slade has been really important in that area. Fraser Dingwall will be really important in that area.”

It’s fanciful to think that El Abd became an admirer off the back of a TNT Sports innovation, but the decision to mic up Dingwall during Northampton’s epic 25-21 Premiership final against Bath showed to a wider audience the centre’s communication skills, particularly in defence.

Having tried the experiment with Dingwall, and Bristol’s Steven Luatua before, the broadcaster’s decision to repeat it for the final paid off with both Dingwall and Bath’s Finn Russell providing some insightful in-game commentary, as well as capturing the words of respect exchanged between the teams at the final whistle.

Dingwall’s mic’d up masterclass was definitely not lost on his boss at Saints, Director of Rugby, Phil Dowson, who was delighted to hear that El Abd recognises what he sees on a regular basis.

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“I was delighted with that (the name check) because I think sometimes Dingers’ undoubted talents sometimes go under the radar because of the character he is,” Dowson said.

“He is very, very good at making the players around him better and I think that is really obvious in defence in terms of how many shots he makes, how he shuts play down, how he reads the game, how he understands the play, how he brings other people into the game.

“I think that speaks volumes about him and I think it is great to see him being recognised on that big stage.”

As for Dingwall’s TV cameo, Dowson thought it was so good he gave it a second airing during a team meeting.

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“We listened to it as a group because it’s the quality of the action, the quality of the communication that leads to an action, which leads to something good happening.

“I think that communication can be ‘blah’ and noise but, actually, the accuracy with which he communicates, who he communicates with and how he communicates is different, I think that was a good example.

“That’s the sort of thing that I am sure Joe is talking about from a defensive point of view – of bringing other people in and making them aware of what is going on.”

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IkeaBoy 3 hours ago
Why Les Kiss and Stuart Lancaster can lead Australia to glory

“Why are you so insistent on being wrong? Man United won in 2008 (beating Chelsea in the final). In 2009 Barcelona won, beating United.”

Good lad, just checking. So you’re not a bot! Chelsea bombed the 2008 final more than United won it. John Terry… couldn’t happen to a nicer fella.


“The gap between wins ignores the finals contested. 2 in 2 years with his City Triumph. The most recent put him in the elite company of managers to have won it with multiple clubs. Yet more late career success and history.”

Again - you’re not correct. City won the CL in 2023, and made the final in 2021. Those are the only two CL finals they have made.”

So the difference between 2021 and 2023 would of course be TWO YEARS. 24 months would account for 3 different seasons. They contested ECL finals twice in two years. The first in 2021 - which they lost - was still the first elite European final in the clubs then 141 year history. Explain clearly how that’s not an achievement? Guess what age he was then…


“I think your take on Gatland is pretty silly. Gatland was without Edwards in the 2013 and 2017 Lions tours and managed to do alright.”

I thought you don’t care what certain managers did 10 years ago…

Why would I address Eddie Jones? Why would he be deserving of a single sentence?


“I am aware Les Kiss has achieved great things in his career, but I don’t care what he did over ten years ago. Rugby was a different sport back then.”

So you haven’t watched even a minute of Super Rugby this year?


“lol u really need to chill out”

Simply frightful! If you’re not a bot you’re at least Gen-Z?

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fl 4 hours ago
Why Les Kiss and Stuart Lancaster can lead Australia to glory

“Pep didn’t win the ECL in 2009. It was 2008 with Barca”

Why are you so insistent on being wrong? Man United won in 2008 (beating Chelsea in the final). In 2009 Barcelona won, beating United.


“The gap between wins ignores the finals contested. 2 in 2 years with his City Triumph. The most recent put him in the elite company of managers to have won it with multiple clubs. Yet more late career success and history.”

Again - you’re not correct. City won the CL in 2023, and made the final in 2021. Those are the only two CL finals they have made. With Barcelona, Pep made the semi final four consecutive times - with City he’s managed only 3 in 8 years. This year they didn’t even make the round of 16.


To re-cap, you wrote that Pep “has gotten better with age. By every measure.” There are some measures that support what you’re saying, but the vast majority of the measures that you have highlighted actually show the opposite.


I am aware Les Kiss has achieved great things in his career, but I don’t care what he did over ten years ago. Rugby was a different sport back then.


I think your take on Gatland is pretty silly. Gatland was without Edwards in the 2013 and 2017 Lions tours and managed to do alright. You’ve also not addressed Eddie Jones.


I agree wrt Schmidt. He would ideally be retained, but it wouldn’t work to have a remote head coach. He should definitely be hired as a consultant/analyst/selector though.


“Look at the talent that would be discarded in Schmidt and Kiss if your age Nazism was applied.”

lol u really need to chill out lad. Kiss and Schmidt would both be great members of the coaching set up in 2025, but it would be ridiculous to bank on either to retain the head coach role until 2031.

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IkeaBoy 5 hours ago
Why Les Kiss and Stuart Lancaster can lead Australia to glory

Pep didn’t win the ECL in 2009. It was 2008 with Barca. The gap between wins ignores the finals contested. 2 in 2 years with his City Triumph. The most recent put him in the elite company of managers to have won it with multiple clubs. Yet more late career success and history.


His time with City - a lower win ratio compared to Bayern Munich as you say - includes a 100 PT season. A feat that will likely never be surpassed. I appreciate you don’t follow soccer too closely but even casual fans refer to the sport in ‘pre and post Pep’ terms and all because of what he has achieved and is continuing to achieve, late career. There is a reason that even U10’s play out from the back now at every level of the game. That’s also a fairly recent development.


How refreshing to return to rugby on a rugby forum.


Ireland won a long over due slam in 2009. The last embers of a golden generation was kicked on by a handful of young new players and a new senior coach. Kiss was brought in as defence coach and was the reason they won it. They’d the best defence in the game at the time. He all but invented the choke tackle. Fittingly they backed it up in the next world cup in their 2011 pool match against… Australia. The instantly iconic image of Will Genia getting rag-dolled by Stephen Ferris.


His career since has even included director of rugby positions. He would have an extremely good idea of where the game is at and where it is going in addition to governance experience and dealings. Not least in Oz were many of the players will have come via or across Rugby League pathways.


Gatland isn’t a valid coach to compare too. He only ever over-achieved and was barely schools level without Shaun Edwards at club or test level. His return to Wales simply exposed his limitations and a chaotic union. It wasn’t age.


Schmidt is open to staying involved in a remote capacity which I think deserves more attention. It would be a brain drain to lose him. He stepped in to coach the ABs in the first 2022 test against Ireland when Foster was laid out with Covid. They mullered Ireland 42-19. He was still heavily involved in the RWC 2023 quarter final. Same story.


Look at the talent that would be discarded in Schmidt and Kiss if your age Nazism was applied.

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