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The offhand Wayne Pivac remark that has thrown Welsh rugby

By Ian Cameron
Wayne Pivac /PA

After winning the Guinness Six Nations in 2021, Wales have finished a lowly fifth in the 2022 tournament – and Wales fans are not happy.

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In a thrilling denouement to the Six Nations, Kieran Crowley’s Italy broke a 36 game losing streak to win 22-21 and claim their first Six Nations victory for seven years and their first on Welsh soil.

While it was a result that has lifted the Italian rugby community, equally it has deflated an already troubled Welsh one. It was a humiliating loss for the Welsh, who will have rightly or wrongly, viewed it as an easy five-pointer.

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Instead they have found themselves one place above the perennial Wooden Spoon holders, with just one win to their name.

“Nothing changes in terms of where we are at and what we’re working towards,” Pivac noted after the game said. “Obviously that was not part of the plan to lose this game, but we’ll review this game as a coaching group and see why we didn’t have the energy and urgency that the Italians came with.”

“If we go to the World Cup and get to the quarter-final, and onto the semi-final, everyone will be very happy.”

The quarter-final comment, a line Pivac may not have given much thought to, was picked up by Welsh journalists and it’s widely been seen as an indictment of Pivac’s ambition and – more broadly – where this Welsh team finds itself under the New Zealander’s leadership.

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ITV Wales reporter Beth Fisher tweeted: “Pivac told me post-match if Wales reach a 1/4 or semi final in the WC then “everyone will be happy” but when he took over Wales were in a place where the next step was all about winning it. I’ve always said give him time but 18 months out I’m genuinely worried. I hope I’m wrong.”

Robert Rees said he found the quarter-final statement ‘depressing’. “Wayne Pivac stating Wales will be happy with a 1/4 final is such a sad statement of how far we’ve dropped away. Stephen Jones’ attack and Pivac in trouble.”

“I like Wayne Pivac,” wrote Wales Online writer Simon Thomas. “I have always found him a good man to deal with and there have been some really memorable moments covering his teams. But that was the worst display I have seen from Wales in a long while. Not sure where they go from here. Apart from SA!”

Vocal Welsh fan Jamie Phillips said he didn’t think Pivac was headed to the door just yet. “I don’t see Pivac getting sacked or leaving before the World Cup. But there’s no denying Welsh rugby is in trouble. From pro game down to grassroots. Wales’ success has papered over the cracks for years. Maybe now the governance will be properly scrutinised.”

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Rugby writer and columnist Paul Williams suggested that Pivac’s time at the top might be coming to prem-mature end.

“Pivac will struggle to ride this out.”

Dan Biggar was clearly devastated after the loss and maybe caught the Welsh mood better than his boss. The Wales captain told BBC Sport: “What do you say? This is probably the toughest interview I’ve ever had to do. Simply not good enough, so many facets of the game. We haven’t played well all day, but not to finish it off when they are 70 metres from our own line…

“We’ve just said in the huddle it’s probably the last chance for a lot of players. We weren’t at it from the get-go and we got punished. We were well short on work ethic and that’s got to be looked at very closely.”

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Jon 1 hours ago
Jake White: Are modern rugby players actually better?

This is the problem with conservative mindsets and phycology, and homogenous sports, everybody wants to be the same, use the i-win template. Athlete wise everyone has to have muscles and work at the gym to make themselves more likely to hold on that one tackle. Do those players even wonder if they are now more likely to be tackled by that player as a result of there “work”? Really though, too many questions, Jake. Is it better Jake? Yes, because you still have that rugby of ole that you talk about. Is it at the highest International level anymore? No, but you go to your club or checkout your representative side and still engage with that ‘beautiful game’. Could you also have a bit of that at the top if coaches encouraged there team to play and incentivized players like Damian McKenzie and Ange Capuozzo? Of course we could. Sadly Rugby doesn’t, or didn’t, really know what direction to go when professionalism came. Things like the state of northern pitches didn’t help. Over the last two or three decades I feel like I’ve been fortunate to have all that Jake wants. There was International quality Super Rugby to adore, then the next level below I could watch club mates, pulling 9 to 5s, take on the countries best in representative rugby. Rugby played with flair and not too much riding on the consequences. It was beautiful. That largely still exists today, but with the world of rugby not quite getting things right, the picture is now being painted in NZ that that level of rugby is not required in the “pathway” to Super Rugby or All Black rugby. You might wonder if NZR is right and the pathway shouldn’t include the ‘amateur’, but let me tell you, even though the NPC might be made up of people still having to pull 9-5s, we know these people still have dreams to get out of that, and aren’t likely to give them. They will be lost. That will put a real strain on the concept of whether “visceral thrill, derring-do and joyful abandon” type rugby will remain under the professional level here in NZ. I think at some point that can be eroded as well. If only wanting the best athlete’s at the top level wasn’t enough to lose that, shutting off the next group, or level, or rugby players from easy access to express and showcase themselves certainly will. That all comes back around to the same question of professionalism in rugby and whether it got things right, and rugby is better now. Maybe the answer is turning into a “no”?

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john 4 hours ago
Will the Crusaders' decline spark a slow death for New Zealand rugby?

But here in Australia we were told Penney was another gun kiwi coach, for the Tahs…….and yet again it turned out the kiwi coach was completely useless. Another con job on Australian rugby. As was Robbie Deans, as was Dave Rennie. Both coaches dumped from NZ and promoted to Australia as our saviour. And the Tahs lap them up knowing they are second rate and knowing that under pressure when their short comings are exposed in Australia as well, that they will fall in below the largest most powerful province and choose second rate Tah players to save their jobs. As they do and exactly as Joe Schmidt will do. Gauranteed. Schmidt was dumped by NZ too. That’s why he went overseas. That why kiwi coaches take jobs in Australia, to try and prove they are not as bad as NZ thought they were. Then when they get found out they try and ingratiate themselves to NZ again by dragging Australian teams down with ridiculous selections and game plans. NZ rugby’s biggest problem is that it can’t yet transition from MCaw Cheatism. They just don’t know how to try and win on your merits. It is still always a contest to see how much cheating you can get away with. Without a cheating genius like McCaw, they are struggling. This I think is why my wise old mate in NZ thinks Robertson will struggle. The Crusaders are the nursery of McCaw Cheatism. Sean Fitzpatrick was probably the father of it. Robertson doesn’t know anything else but other countries have worked it out.

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Adrian 6 hours ago
Will the Crusaders' decline spark a slow death for New Zealand rugby?

Thanks Nick The loss of players to OS, injury and retirement is certainly not helping the Crusaders. Ditto the coach. IMO Penny is there to hold the fort and cop the flak until new players and a new coach come through,…and that's understood and accepted by Penny and the Crusaders hierarchy. I think though that what is happening with the Crusaders is an indicator of what is happening with the other NZ SRP teams…..and the other SRP teams for that matter. Not enough money. The money has come via the SR competition and it’s not there anymore. It's in France, Japan and England. Unless or until something is done to make SR more SELLABLE to the NZ/Australia Rugby market AND the world rugby market the $s to keep both the very best players and the next rung down won't be there. They will play away from NZ more and more. I think though that NZ will continue to produce the players and the coaches of sufficient strength for NZ to have the capacity to stay at the top. Whether they do stay at the top as an international team will depend upon whether the money flowing to SRP is somehow restored, or NZ teams play in the Japan comp, or NZ opts to pick from anywhere. As a follower of many sports I’d have to say that the organisation and promotion of Super Rugby has been for the last 20 years closest to the worst I’ve ever seen. This hasn't necessarily been caused by NZ, but it’s happened. Perhaps it can be fixed, perhaps not. The Crusaders are I think a symptom of this, not the cause

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Trevor 8 hours ago
Will forgotten Wallabies fit the Joe Schmidt model?

Thanks Brett.. At last a positive article on the potential of Wallaby candidates, great to read. Schmidt’s record as an international rugby coach speaks for itself, I’m somewhat confident he will turn the Wallaby’s fortunes around …. on the field. It will be up to others to steady the ship off the paddock. But is there a flaw in my optimism? We have known all along that Australia has the players to be very competitive with their international rivals. We know that because everyone keeps telling us. So why the poor results? A question that requires a definitive answer before the turn around can occur. Joe Schmidt signed on for 2 years, time to encompass the Lions tour of 2025. By all accounts he puts family first and that’s fair enough, but I would wager that his 2 year contract will be extended if the next 18 months or so shows the statement “Australia has the players” proves to be correct. The new coach does not have a lot of time to meld together an outfit that will be competitive in the Rugby Championship - it will be interesting to see what happens. It will be interesting to see what happens with Giteau law, the new Wallaby coach has already verbalised that he would to prefer to select from those who play their rugby in Australia. His first test in charge is in July just over 3 months away .. not a long time. I for one wish him well .. heaven knows Australia needs some positive vibes.

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