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Sir John Kirwan: All Blacks 'need to look in the mirror, starting with Razor'

LONDON, ENGLAND - NOVEMBER 15: Scott Robertson, Head Coach of New Zealand, enters the pitch prior to the Quilter Nations Series 2025 rugby international match between England and New Zealand at Allianz Stadium on November 15, 2025 in London, England. (Photo by Carl Recine/Getty Images)

All Blacks head coach Scott Robertson has been advised to look in the mirror by All Blacks great Sir John Kirwan, as the player-turned-pundit joins the hordes of Kiwi fans looking for answers after New Zealand’s defeat at the hands of England at Twickenham.

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Robertson’s men were bested 33 points to 19 at Allianz Stadium over the weekend, their ninth loss to England in the rivalry’s history. The fallout from the defeat has been steep, with pressure mounting on the coach and players to produce more convincing results after a season in which they have also fallen to Argentina and South Africa.

For a team made iconic by its dominant win rate, the lack of that dominance has not drawn harsh criticism from the fanbase.

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“There’s just something within the team that we’re just not used to seeing as All Blacks fans. Honestly, there’s some amazing rugby being played, and then we have this other side of our personality,” Kirwan said on the Rivals podcast.

“How often do you see an All Black team miss touch with the ability to go 15 points clear? We missed touch twice at critical times, didn’t take a kick at goal. It’s just really difficult for us to understand what’s going on. We’re pretty gutted. It’s hard to come up with the answers, and there are absolutely no excuses.

“I thought England were really, really good, clinical, had heaps of energy, and we weren’t good enough.”

Points Flow Chart

England win +14
Time in lead
39
Mins in lead
29
49%
% Of Game In Lead
36%
35%
Possession Last 10 min
65%
8
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The 63-cap All Black said the All Blacks are lacking balance in their attacking game, with failed attempts to attack from deep and missed opportunities to execute clean exits.

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“It’s frustrating because I think that if you want to be an All Black now and go down in the legacy, it’s like South Africa – you’ve got to win something like the Grand Slam. For them not to win the Grand Slam as a team, they don’t go down in the history books. It’s frustrating if you’re a Kiwi now.”

Kirwan insisted he is forever an All Blacks fan and hasn’t lost faith, but the players in the environment would be soul-searching this week, and would have to take the loss and the criticism that comes with it on the chin.

“At the moment, we’re just not good enough and if you don’t admit that to yourself first, one of the things I’ve always been taught as an All Black is that the first person you need to look at is yourself in the mirror.

“Sometimes these are turning points, something has to change. What is it? I don’t know. There needs to be some soul-searching within the team, within the coaching staff.

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“They need to look in the mirror, probably starting with Razor… and we need to get back on the horse and make sure we finish the tour well. But over the summer, there needs to be some reviews about why we are inconsistent.

“That’s the concern, the inconsistency in our performance over this year is probably not acceptable.”

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When boiling the question of performance down to two points, Kirwan said the first point would be the coaches asking whether the game plan is fit for purpose, while the second would be whether Super Rugby Pacific is preparing players for Test rugby well enough.

Former Springbok Victor Matfield weighed in, saying that the All Blacks’ strengths don’t align with what is needed in today’s game, namely the aerial game and scrummaging. Kirwan agreed, but emphasised consistency over the 80 minutes as “the psychological challenge” that the All Blacks need to overcome.

“This happens, but I just care so much; I really care about this team. I’m just really, really upset, and I’m upset for the players and I’m upset for the team.”

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Mike Gibson 17 days ago

As an outsider I think the pressure to win all the time is now hurting NZ. NZ should not abandon their tradition of insisting on being the best but this is a new era in terms of how professionalism has equalized the top 5-6 teams and how big moments now decide matches between these teams.

From my viewpoint there was immense pressure to win all matches from the get go. A home series loss against England in 2024 was unthinkable so the old dogs remained etc.

The pressure to win is affecting NZs ability to do what needs to be done. They always have the most skilled, and technically excellent players in the world. That has to be leveraged to them results in the modern game.

As example, imagine NZ playing in the last quarter the way they start matches? They would blow anyone and everyone away. It would be like the old days.

I think in SA Rassie gets a lot of praise. But a character like a Felix Jones to help Robertson would help. Rassie isn’t slaving over mismatches in strenght, fitness and skills between fresh and tired players at different junctures in the game. Felix Jones is. Who is doing that within the All Black coaching team?

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Bazzallina 17 days ago

Razor stays till 27 but the coaching group should still get a refresh of some sorts, as for Scooter with him going on sabbatical and with Tupou V and Holland excelling and Paddy T bringing real grunt and poor results does he stay captain? I reckon that might be him not as a player or a leader just as the “ captain” part of me feels like the sabbatical is part of it we will see

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SB 17 days ago

It’s seriously bad when the Kiwi pundits aren’t making excuses and admitting the reality with this team. Interesting to see what changes at the end of the year.


Something not talked about enough is that the damage has already been done as Scott Robertson got the chance to do things differently with a full World Cup cycle ahead of him. Instead he was playing Cane and Perenara as he chased immediate results, while failing to rotate the team adequately - something he is still failing to do.


This meant that some players were not introduced to test level quick enough. Then this year he comes up with “Project Four”. This should’ve started the moment he got the job, but even that he hasn’t implemented at all because since he has taken charge only 2 players have worn the number 10 jersey in his tenure. So no wonder Harry Plummer went to Clermont as an example.


I am of the opinion that the entire coaching staff should be replaced but with the World Cup 2 years away, whoever steps in will have a difficult job. Even with that being considered, I would not continue with this current coaching group as they have shown they are inept at this level after 26 tests.

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GP 17 days ago

Well said. Harry Plummer was a big loss. The Blues won with at 10 last year. This year , Rivez Reihana did the same with the winning Crusaders this year, showing game management. It is ridiculous. The early season tests against England last year and France this year , young form players should have been tried. Look at all the talent in NZ15 backline. Better than a lot of the AB’s. The elongated year long farewells for Sam Cane and Perenara were a waste of time. Like Southee in the cricket team, it achieved nothing.

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