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Experienced Ireland XV generates mixed reaction
Ahead of what many people on social media are calling Ireland’s biggest rugby match in history, Joe Schmidt has named the most experienced side he has at his disposal for Saturday’s World Cup quarter-final versus the All Blacks.
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Of the 15 that will take the field in Tokyo, 12 were members of the starting side that beat the All Blacks last November in Dublin. Iain Henderson was also on the bench that day.
The Ulsterman replaces Devin Toner, Conor Murray starts at scrum-half instead of Kieran Marmion and Robbie Henshaw fills in for the banned Bundee Aki. Other than that, this is the team that were victorious over Steve Hansen’s side the last time they met.
Schmidt’s selection, though, has received a mixed reaction from fans on Twitter. On the one hand, some think this is the strongest side the head coach can put out – and the one they were expecting.
Experience goes a long way, particularly against a side as dominant as the All Blacks. Having players that know what it is like to beat them could be pivotal to victory on Saturday.
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However, there are those that feel some experienced players are not the form players in their position. Peter O’Mahony and Rob Kearney have been singled out by many fans as the two players that are perhaps relying on their reputation at the moment.
With Rhys Ruddock proving his worth so far in the back row this World Cup, as well as Jordan Larmour and Andrew Conway showing great form in the back three, Schmidt has been lambasted for depending on the older players in his squad.
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But Schmidt would be overlooking over 150 caps-worth of experience by excluding the British and Irish Lions duo, O’Mahony and Kearney. While they may not be playing at their best currently, there are pros and cons in selecting their less experienced alternatives.
This is a situation where there would have been as much – if not more – indignation among fans had the likes of Kearney or O’Mahony been dropped. Schmidt has simply turned to experience in this situation and Ireland will hope it pays off. This is what has been said:
Absolutely zero surprises. Obviously a pretty strong side, probably the only two who'd make it better would be Leavy and Aki. Hopefully Henshaw's shaken off the rust. https://t.co/gZE8XYlYXE
— Thomas Moroney (@tmoroney4697) October 17, 2019
The 4th World Cup in a row that Ireland have had a ridiculously conservative selection from a stubborn coach far too loyal to players both past it and out of form. It truly is a disease in Irish sport. Same story with the football team. https://t.co/8TnknLiZxY
— KH (@kev21h) October 17, 2019
Experience trumping form for the Irish..no Conway and Lamour
. Kearney a proven entity in the air,
Stockdale and Earls are quality too.It's gonna be a Humdinger!! https://t.co/PF8uYlmWR5
— The Cerebal Assasin (@SportTheTiger) October 17, 2019
Same old players, same old game plan. Prepare for 60 mins of tucking it under the jumper before NZ score a few late tries to win by 20 points
— Blah Blah Blue ???????? (@BlaBlaBluester) October 17, 2019
Our best 15 ????? https://t.co/VXcdr6yE0w
— buzzer_rowe@hotmail. (@RoweBuzzer) October 17, 2019
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Seems a bit dull and disappointing. Players who have put their hands up overlooked for the same old.
— Riley Cullum (@aceofspies64) October 17, 2019
Strongest possible starting team. I don’t know how people can say Earls hasn’t had a good game? Not watching the same games as me. Kearney was always going to start if fit, he covers the back field by himself, allowing us an extra man in defence. C’mon Ireland
— stephen nolan (@stephennolan17) October 17, 2019
A few of these lads owe Joe a massive performance after selection. On form so far you'd question Best, POM, Kearney, Henderson and Earls inclusions but lets hope Joe & Co have got this one right and the real Ireland show up on Saturday https://t.co/Od5fj3b8H8
— James Irwin (@OfficialBigJim) October 17, 2019
No surprises there
Putting our strongest 15 out, with plenty of impact from the benchBring on the ABs!#COYBIG #NZLvIRL https://t.co/alPd6lXzwG
— Ronan (@ronanmcmanus) October 17, 2019
Despite winning two of their last three encounters, Ireland enter this match with the All Blacks as underdogs as a number of players have dropped their standards since November.
It would be unfair to accuse only O’Mahony and Kearney of that, as even Johnny Sexton, the 2018 World Rugby player of the year, has not been at his best. But they have already proven that they can beat the All Blacks and their coach is aware of that.
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1 Go to commentsHe is right , the Crusaders will be a threat. Scott Barrett, ( particularly), Fergus Burke , Codie Taylor, ( from sabbatical) etc due back soon for the Crusaders. There are others like Zach Gallagher too. People can right the Crusaders off, Top 8 , here we come !!
1 Go to commentsWe will always struggle for money to match the other sides but the least the WRU can do is invest properly in Welsh rugby. Too much has been squandered on vanity projects like the hotel and roof walk amongst others which will never see a massive return. Hanging the 4 pro sides out to dry over the last decade is now coming back to bite the WRU financially as well as on the pitch. You reap what you sow.
1 Go to commentsWhat do you get if you cross a doctor with a fish? A plastic sturgeon
14 Go to commentsWhat happened to feleti Kaitu’u? Hasnt played in a while right?
1 Go to commentsGregor I just can’t agree with you. You are trying to find something that just isn’t there. Jordie Barrett has signed until 2028. By the end of that he would have spent probably 11-12 years on Super Rugby and you say he can’t possibly have one season playing somewhere else. It is absurd. What about this scenario, the NZR play hard ball and he decides to leave and play overseas. How would that affect the competition. There seems to be an agenda by certain journalists to push certain agendas and don’t like it when it’s not to their liking. I fully support the NZR on this. Gregor needs to get a life.
2 Go to commentsHope he stays as believe he can do a great job.
1 Go to commentsMake what step up? Manie has a World Cup winner’s medal around his neck and changed the way the Springboks can play. He doesn’t have anything to prove to anyone. The win record of the Boks with him in the team is tremendous. Sacha can be wonderful and I hope he has a very succesful Bok career, but comparing him to Manie in terms of the next Bok flyhalf is very strange. Manie is the incumbent (not the next) and doing pretty incredibly.
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1 Go to commentsSabbaticals have helped keep NZ’s very best talent in the country on long term deals - this fact has been left out of this article. Much like the articles calling to allow overseas players to be selected, yet can only name one player currently not signed to NZR who would be selected for the ABs. And in the entire history of NZ players leaving to play overseas, literally only 4 or 5 have left in their prime as current ABs. (Piatau, Evans, Hayman, Mo’unga,?) Yes Carter got an injury while playing in France 16 years ago, but he also got a tournament ending injury at the 2011 World Cup while taking mid-week practice kicks at goal. Maybe Jordie gets a season-ending injury while playing in Ireland, maybe he gets one next week against the Brumbies. NZR have many shortcomings, but keeping the very best players in the country and/or available for ABs selection is not one of them. Likewise for workload management - players missing 2 games out of 14 is hardly a big deal in the grand scheme of things. Again let’s use some facts - did it stop the Crusaders winning SR so many times consecutively when during any given week they would be missing 2 of their best players? The whole idea of the sabbatical is to reward your best players who are willing to sign very long term deals with some time to do whatever they want. They are not handed out willy-nilly, and at nowhere near the levels that would somehow devalue Super Rugby. In this particular example JB is locked in with NZR for what will probably (hopefully) be the best years of his career, hard to imagine him not sticking around for a couple more after for a Lions tour and one more world cup. He has the potential to become the most capped AB of all time. A much better outcome than him leaving NZ for a minimum of 3 years at the age of 27, unlikely to ever play for the ABs again, which would be the likely alternative.
2 Go to commentsJake White talks more sense than anything I've read in the last 5 years. Hope someone's listening.
9 Go to commentsThe Springboks tried going down the road of only picking home-based players and it was an unmitigated disaster in 2016 and 2017. Picking overseas-based players has been one of the main reason the Boks have done so well since 2018, not only because of the quality Rassie could call on, but because of the knowledge and experience those players brought into camp from England, France and Japan. With some of the big names playing abroad it also gave younger players in SA the chance to break through at franchise level. Would we have seen the emergence of a Ruan Nortje if RG and Lood were still at the Bulls? Not so sure. I understand why Jake would want to block players leaving since his job depends on good results but it’s an approach that would take Bok rugby back to the bad old days and no South African wants to see that.
9 Go to commentsExeter were thumped by 38 points. And they only had to hop on a train.
39 Go to commentsI am De Groot.
1 Go to commentsHad hoped you might write an article on this game, Nick. It’s a good one. Things have not gone as smoothly for ROG since beating Leinster last year at the Aviva in the CC final. LAR had the Top 14 Final won till Raymond Rhule missed a simple tackle on the excellent Ntamack, and Toulouse reaped the rewards of just staying in the fight till the death. Then the disruption of the RWC this season. LAR have not handled that well, but they were not alone, and we saw Pau heading the Top 14 table at one stage early season. I would think one of the reasons for the poor showing would have to be that the younger players coming through, and the more mature amongst the group outside the top 25/30, are not as strong as would be hoped for. I note that Romain Sazy retired at the end of last season. He had been with LAR since 2010, and was thus one of their foundation players when they were promoted to Top 14. Records show he ended up with 336 games played with LAR. That is some experience, some rock in the team. He has been replaced for the most part by Ultan Dillane. At 30, Dillane is not young, but given the chances, he may be a fair enough replacement for Sazy. But that won’be for more than a few years. I honestly know little of the pathways into the LAR setup from within France. I did read somewhere a couple of years ago that on the way up to Top 14, the club very successfully picked up players from the academies of other French teams who were not offered places by those teams. These guys were often great signings…can’t find the article right now, so can’t name any….but the Tadgh Beirne type players. So all in all, it will be interesting to see where the replacements for all the older players come from. Only Lleyd’s and Rhule from SA currently, both backs. So maybe a few SA forwards ?? By contrast, Leinster have a pretty clear line of good players coming through in the majority of positions. Props maybe a weak spot ? And they are very fleet footed and shrewd in appointing very good coaches. Or maybe it is also true that very good coaches do very well in the Leinster setup. So, Nick, I would fully concurr that “On the evidence of Saturday’s semi-final between the two clubs, the rebuild in the Bay of Biscay is going to take longer than it is on the east coast of Ireland”
11 Go to commentsWhat was the excuse for the other knockout blowouts then? Does the result not prove the Saints were just so much better? Wise call to put your eggs in one basket when you’ve got 2 comps simultaneously finishing.
39 Go to commentsReally hope Kuruvoli and his partner rock the Canes.
1 Go to commentsI wonder what impact Samson has had on their attack, as the team seems less prone to trundle it up the middle, take the tackle and then trundle it up again. I lost faith in the coach last year as the Rebelss looked like a 2nd/3rd rate South African team. I also disliked Gordon standing back, often ignored as the forward battle went on and on. Maybe its our Aussie way of not getting off our A***’s until the enemy is at the gate.
86 Go to commentsThanks for the write up. Great to see the Rebs winning, I am a little interested in how they will go against the remaining kiwi teams, I think they’ve only played Hurricanes and Highlanders but how great to see these players performing!! I also see Parling has a job beyond June 30! A good move by RA? Also how do you fix the Rebels previously scratchy defence?
86 Go to commentsbe smart - go black
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