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English media taken back down to earth by ex-Bok boss after All Blacks win

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Former South Africa head coach Nick Mallett has accused the English media of “getting ahead of themselves” following England’s 33-19 victory over the All Blacks at Twickenham’s Allianz Stadium recently.

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Steve Borthwick’s side triumphed in London to lift them to third in the World Rugby rankings, with only South Africa and New Zealand ahead of them.

With only Argentina to come for England in the Quilter Nations Series, they will not have the opportunity to go up against the Springboks this year, with sections of the English media yearning for that match-up.

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Following the victory, TNT Sports commentator and former England international Austin Healey said: “I know we’re playing Argentina next week, and I know we played them twice this year, but I so wish we were playing South Africa because you really want to see how good, how far can this England side be pushed? And the only way to push yourself is by beating and playing against the best, and at the minute South Africa are way ahead of everyone else and I’d love to know really where do this England team stand?”

Mallett, however, interpreted Healey’s comments as saying “we can’t wait to get hold of South Africa,” to which he has offered a retort, saying “I always know what happens with those English supporters.”

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“They’ve copied South Africa,” the former South Africa and Italy coach said to Brenden Nel. “The guys coming off the bench make a massive difference to their finish. In the last 20 minutes, England really got on top of New Zealand. They [New Zealand] can talk about missed opportunities, but I think England would have come back and created problems.

“I did say before the game that I thought England would win this one and that’s what happened. I don’t think this New Zealand side is as strong as people think.

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“During the game, they were going off about how brilliant this team was. They’ve gone through dark times, so for them to beat the All Blacks was great for the supporters and for the team, and for the commentators. But, to me, I thought they were saying ‘we can’t wait to get hold of South Africa’. It just seemed they were getting ahead of themselves. I always know what happens with those English supporters – you win one game like this and I swear to God they’re going to win the next World Cup without a doubt.”

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Mike Gibson 117 days ago

Guys this is how modern online media works.


Apparently divisive etc comments create most clicks and engagement. The trolls love it and ordinary fans feel they have to respond to trolls misrepresenting comments or throwing insults etc.

In this case, a fair live comment by match co commentator Healey saying who he personally would like to test England against SA. England have just had a rare home win against the ABs. Healey is entitled to his opinion.

Mallett misconstrued it and now we have the click bait.


I will say this about a certain section of SA supporters. The amount of abuse you throw is inversely proportional to the thickness of your skin. I think Gordon Darcy was right when he said that perceived slights works well with the SA team.

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rs 117 days ago

Just read an article from South African rugby that Boks have two teams that can beat anyone. I can guess who wrote it but want to say what junk. As a Saffa I'm often embarrassed at this kind of talk. South Africa has depth but to suggest one takes out the top 15 and still be good enough is a joke

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Eric Elwood 117 days ago

Argentina is the perfect match for England right now. More to learn than versus SA.

I also think SA as opponents suits Ireland now. And Vice Versa.


I see some Saffers calling others arrogant. Recall that NM said that SA were guaranteed to win every match this autumn, the only aspect of interest was the Erasmus selection apparently.

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Ninjin 118 days ago

England have underperformed for years with some wonderful players to boot. All the England bashing aside they can build a good squad for 27 if they keep their heads down and just go about their business. Do the talking on the field for a change and so forth. The Argentina match should give them a good indication of where they are. They are going good but if the Pollock ( I know he is just young but he embodies all that people think of how an English rugby fan behaves) type attitude is thrown in the faces of an Springbok side next year they will be chewed up and spat out.

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Jimmy 117 days ago

They need a squad of 33, same as they’ll take to the 27 WC

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Str3tch 118 days ago

For my own part, I'm more than a little interested to see how an England team, minus 3 players from a good result last weekend, measure up against the Pumas. There have been some pretty close results recently, and heading towards another RWC, these sorts of occasions do arise & how a team responds in these situations can make a massive difference to the outcome.

You can't win a tournament with a team - you need a whole squad.

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Str3tch 118 days ago

I'm failing to see where the confusion is here.

Healey says that England are getting better, but not to get too far ahead of themselves; you really need to measure yoursel es against the very best (which everyone agrees is South Africa).

PMcD on here, makes the point that although England are improving, it'll take them the next 6N to get to the apex of what the current crop can produce; and only then is it worthwhile matching up against the best (and still improving SA side).

Now I appreciate that a part of NM’s job is to take various comments out of context and make replies (it keeps rugby in the headlines); but for the rest of us - can we please keep the comments both relevant and respectful? We’re on the RugbyPass app, not our own blogs, etc.

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Mike Gibson 117 days ago

These types of arguments appear everywhere in modern online media. Its the nature of it. Its dawning on people and soon I hope these types of articles will lose their magnetism….yet here I am!!

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DP 118 days ago

CLICK BAIT ALERT FOR ALL TROLLS OUT THERE!!!!!

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Boddasaffa 118 days ago

It must be great being English, one win makes you world champions, yet you live in constant disappointment, there is no need to discuss other teams in a negative way. You Poms and pom supporters enable the saying: I support 2 teams South Africa and anyone playing England. Maybe look at what SA have done and appreciate it, maybe one day you will get there, until then try be gentlemen, not the usual yobs you are with your comments on this site.

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Tom 118 days ago

What an ignorant an comment.


Literally every pundit and fan in England is aware that SA are the best side in the world including Austin Healey. Stop getting butthurt over hyperbolic comments you read in the media. Argentina beat the ABs 3-4 times in the last few years, we've beaten them once.

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Hammer Head 118 days ago

Everyone: Saffers are insufferable!


EM, AP, FL: Hold our beers!

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Tom 58 minutes ago
Change at the top is only answer for England – Andy Goode

We aren't miles ahead of any other nation in terms of talent at all. I agree Borthwick is a mediocre coach but let's not get carried away. France have won the u20 world cup three out of the last five times and just beat us in both the u20 and u18 six nations… and I don't think many people would claim we've got more talent than SA or the ABs either. Ibitoye isn't someone you want in a test match, he's so unpredictable. In a tight test match there are very few scoring opportunities for wingers but there are lots of opportunities for wingers to make defensive misreads and balls things up. In a tightly contested, low scoring game, you'd much rather have someone like Feyi Wabosi who has X factor but can be relied upon to defend properly or not have a brain farts, we've got other good wingers without needing Ibitoye.

I agree in general with your sentiment but we should be realistic. We've won the u20 WC once in the last decade, won the six nations only twice. A prem club hasn't won anything in Europe since Bristol won the challenge cup when they had Piutau, Radradra. There is talent out there for sure but our clubs and u20s aren't enjoying the level of success which could support statements about us having the most talent in the world. If a new coach comes in they aren't going to wave a magic wand and make us the best team in the world. There are a lot of structural problems and engrained attitudes which need to be overcome within the RFU and Prem etc. Plus any new coach is going to have to undo the damage Borthwick and Wigglesworth have done. They're going to have their work cut out for them.



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