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‘All Blacks supporters probably got so used to winning… times have changed’

New Zealand's hooker Codie Taylor (R) reacts after England's fly half George Ford (unseen) scored a second drop goal during the Autumn Nations Series international rugby union match between England and New Zealand at Allianz Stadium, Twickenham, in south-west London, on November 15, 2025. (Photo by JUSTIN TALLIS / AFP) (Photo by JUSTIN TALLIS/AFP via Getty Images)

Former Wallabies winger Drew Mitchell has suggested there may be a difference between the expectations of All Blacks supporters and the reality of the international game, after New Zealand suffered a 33-19 defeat to England in London.

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Aaron Cruden famously kicked a second-attempt conversion to sink Ireland 12 years ago, which saw the All Blacks complete an undefeated season in the professional era. New Zealand had won the Rugby World Cup two years earlier and went back-to-back at the 2015 tournament.

With all-time greats like Richie McCaw and Dan Carter leading the way, the All Blacks dominated international rugby for a decade. New Zealand held top spot on the world rankings for 10 years from 2009 to before the 2019 Rugby World Cup in Japan.

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England brought an end to New Zealand’s reign as World Cup champions at that tournament, before South Africa won the final. The Springboks have since become the second team to successfully defend their world title, beating the All Blacks in the 2023 decider.

Two years later, the All Blacks have lost three matches in 2025 so far, with England clawing their way back from an early deficit to emerge victorious last Saturday.

“I think for so long All Blacks supporters probably got so used to winning and winning convincingly and times have changed,” Mitchell said on the KOKO Show, as seen on RugbyPass TV.

“The landscape of World Rugby at the moment, up there in the top six, eight in the world, people are beating each other quite regularly.

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“It’s not as dominant and maybe the expectations are still the same but the reality is different.”

New Zealand started their international campaign with a three-nil series sweep against France on home soil, before beating Argentina away from home. Los Pumas bounced back in the second meeting between the two sides, handing the All Blacks their first defeat of the year.

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The All Blacks kept the winning streak at Eden Park alive with a seven-point win against the Springboks in September, before losing to their fierce rival by a record 43-10 margin the following weekend at Wellington’s Sky Stadium.

Scott Robertson’s men have since retained the Bledisloe Cup with two wins over the Wallabies, beaten Ireland 26-13 in Chicago, and got the job done against Scotland at Murrayfield – Damian McKenzie proving the difference off the bench.

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Leicester Fainga’anuku and Codie Taylor scored early tries for the All Blacks against England at Twickenham’s Allianz Stadium, before the home side fought their way back into the contest. Fly-half George Ford converted two drop goals just before the break to make it a one-point game.

Taylor was shown a yellow card early in the second term, and England made the most of their one-man advantage, with Sam Underhill crashing over for a score. Inside centre Fraser Dingwall sliced through New Zealand’s defensive line soon after before the visitors hit back.

Will Jordan scored a try with about 15 minutes left to play, but a clutch penalty from Ford deep into the contest all but sealed the win. Tom Roebuck had the last try-scoring say, pouncing on a loose ball that was toed ahead by Henry Pollock.

“It’s one game. They’ve just beaten Scotland before,” former Wallabies playmaker Matt Giteau added.

“It was uncharacteristic that they got out to a lead and then got chased down. Usually it’s them chasing down. Some teams will start red-hot against them and then they’ll just grind them down and win that way.

“Maybe England deserve more credit. They just totally shut them down and they’re playing well.”

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Mike Gibson 23 days ago

First and foremost.


Ireland had a good run in 2016-2018 because we mainstreamed the box kick and chase with great success. Then Eddie Jones brought in the shield ‘blocking’ defence. This was outlawed last year so we are back to 2018. England and SA are making hay with this. When NZ embrace, and they will, they will score a lot more tries. They should be the best broken field team in the world. Kicking more often is not the NZ way for now, they usually only kick when a regather is a pretty certain outcome.


NZ need to match other innovations and then use their unequalled natural ability as a point of difference.

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Bazzallina 23 days ago

Selection choices for squad and match day 23 have been to conservative given that the results have been much of a muchness like with outside backs it’s low hanging fruit

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SF 23 days ago

The AB's is my second team I support after the Boks. I have huge respect for them. One thing that I've noticed, as an outsider, is the deterioration of the AB backline play over the last couple of years. We (Bok) supporters used to say that the Boks need to be up by 20 points after 60 minutes. Because the AB's are coming for us. They used to be ruthless and clinical. Not anymore. You have brilliant individuals in that backline. Yet, something is not clicking.

Maybe our Kiwi friends can enlighten us on why…

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Over the sideline 23 days ago

We were used to winning. Then we got Razor. Even Foster won 4 rugby championships.

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SB 23 days ago

The supporters are wanting to see improvement after the man in charge acted like he would be the messiah. They also don’t expect to win every single game, but want to see quality performances and are far more accepting of losses if the team is playing well but the opposition are even better. This isn’t the current situation.

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SD 22 days ago

Couldn’t agree with you more.

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d 23 days ago

precisely. How could it not hurt to see England performing at a level we expect from the ABs, and the ABs looking like the are making it up from minute to minute, without any coherence, like they haven’t read any of the coaches emails.

Now the coaches are pointing the fingers squarely at the players. SO what do we really need, new squad or new coaching box? Things could get interesting.

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JW 23 days ago

I wonder what he was talking about?


From memory supporters where used to winning pre that 10 year reign, then got bored of it half way through and wished others would match them (and I suppose we saw a better couple of years in 2017/18, and 2022/23 were ABs had great contests) but at the same time that others did start improving, the ABs started playing poorly as well.


So there was great… ‘involvement’ again from fans fired up about the Lions tour victory who had previously become apathetic, but that very quickly become critique when they couldn’t fire a shot against their first real opponent (since the Lions) in 2019 WC. That ridicule existed through, peaking, at the first three/four games of 2022, before they turned it around and we saw some great contests up until again.


This year, man are now critical of falling back to that previous level again, even in the wins. So if anyone is ‘seeing’ anything I’d suggest it is that the fan base have quickly turn to become apathetic of AB performances (compared to their superiority). I suppose there are some that are slow to get to that point are still in the spouting denial/anger stage.

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