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European Player of the Year shortlist unearths ongoing debate
The European Player of the Year shortlist was whittled down to five players yesterday, and it is no surprise that it is occupied by Leinster and Saracens players.
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The Champions Cup finalists have undoubtedly been the two best teams in Europe this season, and the shortlist reflects this.
The Irish side are represented by hooker Sean Cronin, prop Tadhg Furlong and centre Garry Ringrose, while Saracens’ prop Mako Vunipola and fullback Alex Goode fill the other two spaces.
Very few fans seem to object to this shortlist on Twitter, and it has been remarked upon that three front-row players are in the running for the award.
However, what has been questioned is the fact that Goode is up for the award despite perennially shunned by England.
This how many Saracens and England fans have reacted:
https://twitter.com/steven_casta21/status/1121053696874381313?s=20
https://twitter.com/pilsbury44/status/1121284331530440706?s=20
https://twitter.com/smudger233/status/1121165927989547008?s=20
https://twitter.com/damnthatcursor/status/1121108438669516800?s=20
https://twitter.com/dombuckley/status/1121138058462670848?s=20
I know most England fans think Cipriani should be in the England squad but it’s just as crazy that Alex Goode doesn’t get in it either
— Jim (@Jimbo1604) April 24, 2019
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Goode’s omission by England head coach Eddie Jones has been a hot topic for debate this season, given his wonderful form. The fullback has been imperious at the back for the English champions, and his ability to slot in at fly-half only makes him more valuable for whomever he plays for.
However, despite having played for England 21 times, the fullback has only earned two caps under Jones, with his last in 2016. He is part of a cohort of players that are performing superbly this season to no avail. Gloucester’s Danny Cipriani is another player that is struggling to work his way into national contention, despite showing some of the best form in England. With the World Cup rapidly approaching, they both have precious little time to make an impression.
But while Cipriani’s off-field antics in the past have hampered his international progress, Goode has been squeaky clean, leaving fans all the more baffled as to why he has not been selected.
This would not be the first time that an Englishman has won the award despite being excluded from the national team. In fact, it has happened to Johnny Wilkinson, Steffon Armitage and Nick Abendanon.
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However, the distinction would be that those three were all plying their trade in France when they won the award. Despite calls for a change in policy, those players were ineligible to play for England and they knew that. However, this may be the first time that a player based in England wins the award despite not featuring for his country.
Looking at what many have said on social media, Goode looks to be the favourite to scoop the coveted award, and many will hope that is decisive factor that Jones needs to eventually pick him.
Comments on RugbyPass
I think Matt Proctor became a 1 test AB in the same fixture. Cameron is quality and has been great this season, can’t believe’s he only 27. Realistically how would he not be selected for ABs squad this year. Only Dmac is ahead of him as a specialist 10. With Jordan out, it will come down to where and when Beauden Barrett slots back in, and where they want to play Ruben Love. Cameron seems an absolute lock in for the wider squad though. Added benefit of TJ-Cameron-Jordie combination at 9, 10, 11 too.
1 Go to commentsFarcical, to what end would someone want to pay to keep this thing going.
1 Go to commentsHavili, our best 12 by a mile, will be in the squad, if he stays fit. JB is the most overrated AB in the last 50 years.
61 Go to commentsWe had during the week twilight footy, twilight cricket, tw golf plus there was the athletics club. Then the weekend was rugby 15s plus the net ball, really busy club scene back then but so much has changed and rugby has suffered. And it was all about changing lifestyles.
6 Go to commentsIn the 70s and 80s my club ran 5 Senior sides plus a Vets. Now it is 2 sides with an occasional 3rd team. Players have difficulty getting to training now, not sure why and the commitment is not there. It seems to me more a problem of people applying themselves and not expecting to turn up and play whenever they want to.
6 Go to commentsROG’s contract is until 2027. The conversation about a successor to Galthie after RWC 2027 may be starting now. We can infer that Galthie’s reign stops then. He is throwing the Irish Coaching Job angle in because he is Irish. The next Irish coach MUST be Leo Cullen. As well as being the best coach available, coaching the vast majority of Irish Internationals week in week out, he has shown incredible skill at recruiting the best coaching staff for the job in hand. That was a failing in France. Cullen is a shrewd guy and if there is a need for foreign coaches underneath him he won’t hesitate. Rightly so. Ireland does need to start to bring Irish coaches through. Not just at the professional level but we need to train coaches to man new pathways for developing kids from schools/clubs up through the divisions.
8 Go to commentsNo Islam says it must rule where it stands Thus it is to be deleted from this planet Earth
18 Go to commentsThis team probably does not beat the ABs sadly Not sure if BPA will be available given his signing for Force but has to enter consideration. Very strong possibility of getting schooled by the AB props. Advantage AB. Rodda/Skelton would be a tasty locking combination - would love to see how they get on. Advantage Wallabies. Backrow a risk of getting out hustled and outmuscled by ABs. Will be interesting to see if the Blues feast on the Reds this weekend the way they did the Brumbies we are in big trouble at the breakdown. Great energy, running and defence but goalkicking/general kicking/passing quality in the halves bothers me enormously. SA may have won the World Cup for a lot of the tournament without a recognised goalkicker but Pollard in the final made a difference IMO. Injuries and retirements leave AB stocks a bit lighter but still stronger. 12 and 13 ABs shade it (Barret > Paisami, Ione = Ikitau, arguably) Interesting clash of styles on the wings - Corey Toole running around Caleb Clark and Caleb running over the top of Toole. Reece vs Koro probably the reverse. Pretty even IMO. 15s Kelleway = Love See advantage to ABs man for man, but we are not obviously getting slaughtered anywhere which makes a nice change. Think talent wise we are pretty even and if our cohesion and teamwork is better than the ABs then its just about doable.
11 Go to commentsCompletely agree. More friday night games would be a hit. RFU to make sure every club has a floodlit pitch. Club opens again Saturday to welcome touch / tag. Minis and youths on Sunday
6 Go to comments1.97m and 105Kg? Proportionately, probably skinnier than me at 1.82 and 82kilos. He won’t survive against the big guys at that weight.
55 Go to commentsThe value he brought to the crusaders as an assistant was equal to what he got out of being there. He reflected not only on the team culture but also the credit he attributed to the rugby community. Such experience shouldn’t be overlooked.
8 Go to commentsGood luck Aussie
11 Go to commentssmith at 9 / mounga 10 / laumape 12 / fainganuku 14
61 Go to commentsBar the injuries, it’s pretty much their top team …
2 Go to commentsDon’t disagree with much of this but it appears you forgot Rodda and Beale, who started at the Force on the weekend.
11 Go to commentsExcept for the injured Zach Gallagher this would be Saders best forward pack for the season. Blackadder needs to stay at 7, for all of Christies tackling he is not dominant and offers very little else. McNicholfullback is maybe a good option, Fihaki not really upto it, there was a reason Burke played there last year. Maybe Havilli to 2nd five McLeod to wing. Need a strong winger on 1 side to compliment Reece
1 Go to commentsTo me TJ is clearly the best 9 in the competition right now but he's also a proven player off the bench, there's few playmaking players who can come off the bench as calm and settled as he is, Beauden can, TJ can and I doubt any of the scrumhalves in contention can, if they want to experiment with new 9s I want him on the bench ready to step in if they crumble under the pressure. The Boks put their best front row on the bench, I'd like to see us take a similar approach, the Hurricanes have been doing similar things with players like Kirifi.
61 Go to commentsROG has better chance to win a WC if he starts training and make himself eligible as a player. He won’t make the Ireland squad but I reckon he may get close with Namibia (needs to improve his Afrikaans) or Portugal. Both sides had 1000:1 odds to win the RWC in 2023 which is an improvement on ROG’s odds of winning a RWC as a coach. Unlike Top 14 teams, national teams can’t go shopping and buy the best players - you work with the available talent pool and turn them into world beaters.
8 Go to commentsthat backline nope that backline is terrible why would you have sevu Reece when he’s not even top 5 wingers in the comp why have Blackadder when there’s better players no Scott barret isn’t an automatic the guy is more of a liability than anything why have him there when you have samipeni who’s far far better
61 Go to commentsAh, good to find you Nick. Agree with everything about Cale. So much to like about his game
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