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'There's no one at South Africa's level... that's been their brand'

South Africa pack down a scrum during The Rugby Championship match between the New Zealand All Blacks and South Africa Springboks at Eden Park on September 06, 2025 in Auckland, New Zealand. (Photo by Phil Walter/Getty Images)

Rugby was stripped down to its raw, savage bones on Thursday night at the stroke of half-time in the Gallagher PREM season opener between Sale Sharks and Gloucester.

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Scrum on halfway, Sale put-in, England loosehead against England hopeful. Penalty to Gloucester, and their 21-year-old tighthead Afolabi Fasogbon could not contain his euphoria.

It must require a lot of mental fortitude to pack down against nearly a ton of human flesh, so it is understandable that it may be hard to conceal the adrenaline rush that comes with winning a scrum, so much so that the Sharks’ lock and captain Ernst van Rhyn – who was face-to-face with the 128kg tighthead after his side’s scrum crumpled – took umbrage with his behaviour.

Bevan Rodd was the loosehead on the receiving-end of the scrum, an established international and superb scrummager himself. Iron sharpens iron, so these were positive signs for the future of England’s front-row.

Former England loosehead David Flatman certainly shared that positivity when assessing England’s front-row options with RugbyPass recently now that the new season is upon us.

“I think we’re good,” he said. “[Ellis] Genge, Will Stuart, top of the range. Fin Baxter, excellent and improving. Bevan Rodd the same. Particularly exciting with Bevan Rodd. I think Genge, naturally, but Baxter is probably a level further ahead when it comes to scrummaging – it doesn’t mean that he doesn’t get done over like all props do at some point, everyone does – but he seems very good at learning from what’s just happened and improving. But Bevan Rodd is a fabulous rugby player and his scrummaging as he gets older and does more of it and gets coached by Dorian West more and more will get better and better. So I think coming up in the wings, he’s a very exciting player.

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“On the tighthead, Will Stuart we know about, top of the range. Asher Opoku-Fordjour, I just love, love watching him play either side of the scrum. He’s a big guy, but he’s not a giant. There’s an awful lot of power in that body, but there’s also confidence and a bit of venom when it comes to scrums. So, if he smells blood, he will tune you up, which I quite like. Joe Heyes is a really interesting one because he is absolutely enormous, he’s like a house. So, the genes are there, he’s experienced now, he’s got a good number of caps, he’s played tons of PREM and European games, we will know in a year or so whether he’s probably going to be the guy that takes over from Coley. You’d imagine he is at Tigers, will he be with England? Coley was one of those guys who you could just set and forget. Just pick him and don’t worry about it for the next five years, and you’re all set. He’s got a back set in concrete, iron will, very durable. Joe Heyes has big boots to fill, but the genes are good with that one.”

There is a standard to meet when it comes to scrummaging at Test rugby and that has been set by world champions South Africa.

The scrum was yet again the source of penalties in the Springboks’ 67-30 win over Argentina in round five of the Rugby Championship on Saturday, just as it had been a round earlier against the All Blacks.

As every team in the world scrambles to match South Africa’s penalty machine and their production line of world-class props, Flatman conceded that it is close to an impossible task.

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“There’s no one at South Africa’s level,” he said. “That’s partly the gene pool they’ve got, there’s a lot of big men knocking around in SA, but it’s also cultural. There’s always been a culture there where they take real pride in being very, very large and aggressive with that size at set piece and around the field. That’s been their brand, whereas the All Blacks’ brand, for example, yes, they want tough scrumming guys, but really they want overall contributors. Whereas you look at Frans Malherbe, it’s changing a bit now, but Frans Malherbe has won two World Cups, and he’s not a one-trick pony, there’s more to him than that, but you know why he’s there. He’s there because he’s got a specialist role and he’s very good at filling that.

“They’ve embraced the specialist role during the professional era better than anyone else. Things move on, of course they do, and they’ve got the guys contributing more and more now, but they are proving there is still space for someone who does everything pretty well, but has got one thing. You don’t have to be a jack of all trades, you could be a master of one.”

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Tom 1 hour ago
Change at the top is only answer for England – Andy Goode

We aren't miles ahead of any other nation in terms of talent at all. I agree Borthwick is a mediocre coach but let's not get carried away. France have won the u20 world cup three out of the last five times and just beat us in both the u20 and u18 six nations… and I don't think many people would claim we've got more talent than SA or the ABs either. Ibitoye isn't someone you want in a test match, he's so unpredictable. In a tight test match there are very few scoring opportunities for wingers but there are lots of opportunities for wingers to make defensive misreads and balls things up. In a tightly contested, low scoring game, you'd much rather have someone like Feyi Wabosi who has X factor but can be relied upon to defend properly or not have a brain farts, we've got other good wingers without needing Ibitoye.

I agree in general with your sentiment but we should be realistic. We've won the u20 WC once in the last decade, won the six nations only twice. A prem club hasn't won anything in Europe since Bristol won the challenge cup when they had Piutau, Radradra. There is talent out there for sure but our clubs and u20s aren't enjoying the level of success which could support statements about us having the most talent in the world. If a new coach comes in they aren't going to wave a magic wand and make us the best team in the world. There are a lot of structural problems and engrained attitudes which need to be overcome within the RFU and Prem etc. Plus any new coach is going to have to undo the damage Borthwick and Wigglesworth have done. They're going to have their work cut out for them.



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