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Thumbgate: The Ireland-South Africa mask has well and truly slipped

South Africa head coach Rassie Erasmus and Ireland head coach Andy Farrell before the Quilter Nations Series 2025 match between Ireland and South Africa at the Aviva Stadium in Dublin. (Photo By David Fitzgerald/Sportsfile via Getty Images)

Rassie Erasmus has spent the past seven years downplaying the opinions of outsiders. This has been one of his super strengths as Springboks coach. The rest of the world can think what they want about his team. Love them, hate them, it’s all the same to the man at the helm of this evolving dynasty. As long as his players are adored back home, as long as his public hold him in high regard, that is all that matters.
The mask slipped a little at the final whistle of a chaotic game in Dublin. After South Africa pulverised the Irish pack but failed to really rub their noses in it with a 24-13 win – a scoreline that failed to adequately reflect the tempo of the match – Erasmus gave a double thumbs-up to the crowd with what seemed like a mocking smirk.

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This is the age we live in. Where hand gestures and curled lips and slightly bared teeth become national talking points. For what it’s worth, Erasmus tried to sidestep the issue, claiming that he was thanking South African supporters just below. Believe him or not, the broader point remains. If the contest between South Africa and Ireland wasn’t previously considered a rivalry it sure as hell is now.

And that, really, is the heart of it.

Erasmus’s thumbs might have been meant for friends or foes or nobody in particular, but what they definitely did was confirm a truth both nations had been tiptoeing around for years: this fixture matters. Maybe South Africans will never rate the Irish as highly as they do the All Blacks. Maybe the Irish will never feel the same antipathy towards the Boks as they do the English. This is almost immaterial. Anyone who has paid attention to the fall-out of what I feel duty-bound to call ‘Thumbgate’ will know that things have ratcheted up.

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This game matters in a way it didn’t a decade ago. It matters in the gut, in the psyche, in the identity of two teams that have spent the past cycle jostling for the right to claim they are the premier force in world rugby. They’ve gone about it in different ways, too, and each philosophy underlines certain truths about the sport. Is it better to break teams down with a thousand tiny cuts and an endless wave of clockwork phase play? Or do you stampede over hapless tacklers with an army of rhinos before replacing them with a horde of buffalo? In the myopic world of sports fandom, there is only space for one truth. Anything else is heresy.

For most of rugby’s professional era, this wasn’t even a conversation. South Africa lived in another stratosphere, stacking World Cups while Ireland collected near-misses and measured progress in inches rather than miles. Their paths crossed with polite indifference. No needle, no tension, no sense that the other stood in the way of anything meaningful. But sport has a way of realigning its planets. Ireland’s meticulously engineered rise, sharpened through landmark wins and a system designed to unpick even the heaviest opposition, eventually collided with a Springbok side reforged under Erasmus, rediscovering its bruising DNA while adding layers of calculation and cruelty.

Then Ireland started beating the Boks: 19-16 in Dublin in 2022, 13-8 at the World Cup a year later. A seven-point win for South Africa on home soil was viewed as restorative but a 24-25 loss a week later in Durban underlined a disparity that had started to take shape.

Which is why this latest game was more than just a result. It was a statement. The Boks didn’t just win, they imposed themselves in a way that left a mark not just on Irish bodies but in the collective psyche of everyone involved with Irish rugby. The scrum was a rolling verdict, a hydraulic press squeezing a once-proud Irish set piece until it groaned and then splintered. Ireland, who have spent years convincing the rugby world that precision can trump power, were forced to confront something more elemental. The Boks didn’t outthink them. They out-manned them.

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Look at the flashpoints. Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu somehow avoiding a card for a tackle that looked worse with each replay. James Ryan charging in with a reckless, almost frustrated energy that suggested Ireland knew the fight was slipping away. A spate of yellow cards. A penalty try. An endless wave of scrums under Ireland’s poles. These weren’t isolated incidents; they were symptoms of a Test match that had turned primal. Farrell, one of the ultimate alphas of the modern coaching class, the man who has forged a team in his own ferocious image, was effectively left in the corner chair of a hotel room, watching on as his team was dismantled in front of him.

And yet Ireland deserve credit. The way they defended might get drowned in a sea of narrative, but it was nothing short of immense. At one stage they held out the double world champions with only a dozen men. What compelled them? What motivated them to act like Spartans at Thermopylae? Was it devotion to the badge? Was it professional pride? Or was it burning hatred, a sense that no bastard from the southern tip of Africa is going to come to their home and knock over the furniture? Hate can be a strong motivator. Maybe we’ve reached that point in the relationship.

This fixture is no longer an interesting aside on the calendar. It has become a referendum on rugby’s soul. And the truth neither nation will admit out loud is that they need each other now. Ireland needs the Boks to validate the scale of their climb. The Boks need Ireland to remind them they are still being hunted.

So yes, maybe ‘Thumbgate’ was silly, petty, overblown. Maybe Erasmus was waving to someone else entirely. The specifics are irrelevant. The symbolism is not. Because when a stray hand gesture can set two rugby-mad nations frothing, the rivalry has already arrived. And in this one, the hits are getting harder, the margins smaller, the needle sharper. These aren’t just matches anymore. They’re declarations, and neither side is remotely interested in whispering.

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Rugby Jo 20 days ago

What an absolute nonsensical article.

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GS 21 days ago

The boks was the superior team.I think Ireland players and supporters are disrepectful.All of them,players supporters and coach were full of smiles before the game.They really were under the impression that they going to come out winners.I think the scoreline flatters them.They were really not in the game.

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JB 21 days ago

What a crock of nonsense. Talk about what was visible and not speculation. Domination domination and domination. A lesson taught due to the Irish disrespect shown in Durban. Thumb gate? Really?

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R 21 days ago

I am a South African living in UK. My first team has to be the Springboks but my second has always been Ireland and any team against England. My DNA and passport says I'm British, English predominately but England rugby, I'll never support.

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R 21 days ago

Gee….. you must be running out of material to write about. Thumbs gate? Really?

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Ninjin 21 days ago

Truth be told there is nothing in this. Pundits will inflate ego’s. Supporters will seek a contest. The game will be played and someone will win. Afterward writers will peddle baited articles and life will go on untill the next rematch labled grudge match. Both are good rugby teams and no match will be the same. No reason for people to go bonkers because of a game of rugby.

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RoyceCoolidge 22 days ago

Ireland's near misses’. Eh?

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Willardi 22 days ago

Yes agree. You are better than this DG. Giving it a “gate” theme is misdirected.

In addition Farrell hasn’t forged any team. He inherited a top team and they are slowly heading to the door with a dearth of incumbents despite their rigid structures in the school and club / province system. They play England and France away this 6 N. Scotland will be up for the job in Dublin - especially if Franco Smith is in the coach seat by then.

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Ed the Duck 22 days ago

Good with the team and man management by all accounts but you’re spot on, he inherited and hasn’t forged anything under his own steam!

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DG 22 days ago

Two Six Nations, a winning record against the Boks, a series win in NZ and a drawn series in SA. They might be a force on the wane but they have been one of the top teams over the past six years.

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rs 22 days ago

The Irish have always been most supporters 2nd team. However once they reached the no 1 ranking position their supporters/pundits gave the opinion that everyone, including the All blacks, had to take note that there was a new face of rugby everyone had to contend with. They were there to stay. Their confidence bordered on arrogance — in a sense mocking the ABs, a team that had dominated WR for decades. They criticised the Springboks to the point of ridicule (Matt Williams) as if they only knew what the “Spirit of the Game” meant.

Yes, everyone wanted a spectacle but a statement had to be made.

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David Gedye 22 days ago

I get the game was intense. Felt like a world cup fixture.

But the scoreline flattered Ireland. They were never in the contest.

As much as I love watching the Boks embarrass teams at scrum time, the only thing that saved Ireland from embarrassment was their refusal to lie down, which was admirable.

They simply weren't strong enough. And unless the authorities ban scrums and mauls, if you aren’t strong enough, you won’t win with that kind of disparity.

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rs 22 days ago

Ban scrums and mauls. Can't be serious

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LC 22 days ago

Daniel, your writing is usually to the point and measured. This tabloid stuff is beneath you

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DG 22 days ago

Thought this was pretty measured? Can’t please everyone all the time. Next one hopefully.

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RugCs 22 days ago

Gutter trash click bait stuff.

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Jimmy 22 days ago

Daniel, you’re trying to add fuel to smouldering embers for the sick of a few more clicks.

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DG 22 days ago

Should I not speak about an epic game? Isn’t all sports discourse theatre and narrative? What should I write about instead?

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PMcD 22 days ago

Yes, that’s true Jimmy . . . . But by prolonging the attention on this, it’s better than Ireland having to accept they were beaten in just about every department except penalties & cards.


SA have beaten everyone convincingly, it’s time for teams to accept they need to focus on playing better if they want to have a chance at closing the gap before RWC 2027.

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PR 22 days ago

A lot of the animosity between the sides comes from the media coverage in Ireland. Irish pundits have consistently taken pot shots at the Boks and Rassie - even mocking his voice during the last World Cup. Before Saturday’s game one journalist told Rassie the Boks are the next “red meat” the Irish public want to eat after some recent sporting success. It’s just the kind of thing that fires up South Africa.

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Ed the Duck 22 days ago

Completely oversold! A rivalry of that kind must be a genuine contest of real jeopardy and SA were not in danger of finding themselves second best in that contest at any point. If anything, any semblance of a rivalry for the ages that may have begun to smoulder has been ruthlessly snuffed out before it’s even started to roar. Ireland have had their time in the sun and it will be some time before they get the chance to return, if they ever do…

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GrahamVF 22 days ago

Never thought I’d say this because I spent one of the most pleasant nine months of my life living in Port Marnoch and working in Fitzsimmonds Street Dublin - I attended numerous rugby games including the last game at Lansdowne Road where the Irish beat the Springboks - the crowd was so fair and respectful - something has shifted. Right now the Irish rugby crowd is the most unsporting and ill mannered in the world and are now the equivalent of the French Open Roland Garros crowd when a French player plays. And then they have the temerity to gaslight and claim the South Africans are badly behaved.

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DG 22 days ago

I don’t know. Ireland, despite the numerical disparity and despite the Boks dominance, kept the score pretty respectable. That’s very impressive. Add to the recent results and the fact that Irish fans and players clearly get under the skin of the Boks and their supporters means, to me at least, that there is a rivalry.

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C K 22 days ago

No rugby fan in Ireland would ever claim we were the premier force in world rugby. Yes, we've occasionally be top of the rankings and have usually been in the tip bracket but to be the premier force you need to win the big gig!

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Uther 22 days ago

So happy that Prem is coming back this week.

No thumbsgate, no drama, no overthinking about a competition which will take place in 2 years and which is mostly randomnly decided.


As good as those international games are, the whole circus around them just annoys me.

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Flankly 22 days ago

competition which will take place in 2 years and which is mostly randomnly decided

Exactly. it would be different if the 2023 RWC winner went on to win The Rugby Championship title in 2024. Or did it again in 2025. Or additionally delivered a clean sweep of wins in the 2024 Nov tour. Or followed that up with a clean sweep of games played to date in the 2025 Nov tour. And if it weren't random you would expect the RWC winners to be near the top of the WR rankings.


Yep. Completely random.

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