Rival fans take great delight that Saracens are set for the drop
Many people have taken great delight at seeing the exclusive RugbyPass story about Saracens staring down the barrel of automatic relegation – and they have good reason to.
Ever since the revelation in November that Saracens had breached the salary cap over the past three years and were subsequently fined £5.36million and deducted 35 Gallagher Premiership points, there have been calls for harsher punishments for what many fans believe to be outright cheating.
The reigning European and English champions now have a matter of days to show that they are working within the salary cap for the current 2019/20 season or face expulsion from the league.
This has meant that some players are expected to be released in order to free up the wage bill. A number of names have already been rumoured to be on the way out, which includes Liam Williams whose return to the Scarlets may now be fast tracked.
This rather jubilant reaction from many opposing fans, who feel their clubs have been deprived of success during this period, was expected and is justified.
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Saracens on brink of automatic relegation
However, many people have also looked at this from the perspective of the players and staff at Saracens who could be in danger of losing their jobs.
If players were to leave Saracens, either as a result of relegation or cutting costs, the bigger names will not suffer as they will be able to walk into any other team.
The ones on the echelon below, however, along with staff members could be deprived of their livelihoods.
I am all for punishment, but it’s the players I feel for, those with families etc. Rules are rules I get that, but as a fan, would I want to see a max exodus of internationals head over seas. Not particularly. I’d prefer to see them take a pay cut, and perhaps rough it out.
— Nathan (@Nathann_09) January 16, 2020
Players were not cheating the cap. Nothing to do with players. players negotiate there own wages. And why should they not get a good salary after all there career is short. They put there body’s at risk week in week out for out entertainment. It’s club management that cheated
— TonyYoung1968 (@tonyyoung1968) January 17, 2020
I get the outrage but let’s temper the joy a touch. Innocent, decent people connected with the club will lose livelihoods as a result and that’s something no one should be pleased about. I’m a Sarries fan and this cheating, because that’s what it is now, is hard to accept ???
— Richie Jameson (@chefrich1980) January 16, 2020
All this Saracens chat is starting to get boring. I'll start by saying I don't support them but when the media fire into the players who didn't devise this and have signed the best contract available for one of the most physically demanding jobs in the world is getting tiresome
— Oliver Pointon (@olipoints) January 17, 2020
I'm talking about all Saracens players and staff. The actions of a very few at the top have potentially impacted everyone at the club. Yes others other people outside Saracens have been impacted as well but either way its never nice to see anyone potentially lose their job.
— Overthehillprop (@Overthehillprop) January 17, 2020
I can’t get my head around the latest development at Saracens. Surely this was all known at the time of the last findings so why not give them the ultimatum then!! It’s the players I feel sorry for, this has huge implications for careers and will have widespread consequences
— Jim Allen (@Jim_Allen1983) January 17, 2020
Some people have also noted that the players would have been complicit in this and should therefore be held responsible as well.
That is not a view held by everyone, though, as players would often go to whoever gives them the best offer, not only financially but from a playing perspective as well.
Said this should have happened from the start. Imagine if they’d stayed up at the expense of someone within the cap after being in breach for part of the season. Also still think the titles should be stripped, not given to Exeter as too many variables, but stripped from Sarries
— Oliver Gaudion (@olygaudion) January 16, 2020
This is all getting a bit shady now. Why didn't the premiership just lay the cards out on the table for everyone to see rather than drip feedung this stuff. It's not fair for the Saracens fans nor the players who may imminently lose their jobs. They should be punished buy be open
— Ryan Reynolds (@VRyanReynolds) January 16, 2020
This has obviously been a reaction for indiscretions the club knew they were committing. One do wish to see though, that clubs throughout the rugby world are being policed like Saracens for the same reasons. Families lives and existence are at stake.
— Bart Schoeman (@bschoeman3) January 17, 2020
The players did not orchestrate this, but some could pay the price, particularly if they lose their job midway through the season.
While there is always the inherent risk that cuts will need to be made in the event of a team being relegated, this may be different from cases in the past and fans have spared a thought for the players.
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Lets compare apples with apples. Lyon sent weak team the week before, but nobody raised an eyebrow. Give the South African teams a few years to build their depth, then you will be moaning that the teams are too strong.
41 Go to commentsDid footballs agents also perform the scout role at some time? I’m surprised more high profile players haven’t taken up the occupation, great way to remain in the game and use all that experience without really requiring a lot of specific expertise?
1 Go to commentsSuper rugby is struggling but that has little to do with sabbaticals. 1. Too many teams from Aust and NZ - should be 3 and 4 respectively, add in 2 from Japan, 1 possibly 2 from Argentina. 2. Inconsistent and poor refereeing, admittedly not restricted to Super rugby. Only one team was reffed at the breakdown in Reds v H’Landers match. Scrum penalty awarded in Canes v Drua when No 8 had the ball in the open with little defence nearby - ideal opportunity to play advantage. Coming back to Reds match - same scrum situation but ref played advantage - Landers made 10 yards and were penalised at the breakdown when the ref should have returned to scrum penalty. 3. Marketing is weak and losing ground to AFL and NRL. Playing 2 days compared with 4. 4. Scheduling is unattractive to family attendance. Have any franchises heard of Sundays 2pm?
10 Go to commentsAbsolutely..all they need is a chance in yhe playoffs and I bet all the other teams will be nervous…THEY KNOW HOW TO WIN IM THE PLAYOFFS..
2 Go to commentsI really hope he comes back and helps out with some coaching.
1 Go to commentsI think we are all just hoping that the Olympic 7s doesn’t suffer the same sad fate as the last RWC with the officials ruining the spectacle.
1 Go to commentsPersonally, I’ve lost the will to even be bothered about the RFU, the structure, the participants. It’s all a sham. I now simply enjoy getting a group of friends together to go and watch a few games a year in different locations (including Europe, the championship, etc). I feel extremely sorry for the real fans of these clubs who are constantly ignored by the RFU and other administrators. I feel especially sorry for the fans of clubs in the Championship who have had considerable central funding stripped away and are then expected to just take whatever the RFU put to them. Its all a sham, especially if the failed clubs are allowed to return.
9 Go to commentsI’m guessing Carl Hayman would have preferred to have stayed in NZ with benefit of hindsight. Up north there is the expectation to play twice as many games with far less ‘player management’ protocols that Paul is now criticising. Less playing through concussions means longer, healthier, careers. Carter used as the eg here by Paul, his sabbatical allowed him to play until age 37. OK its not an exact science but there is far more expectations on players who sign for Top 14 or Engl Prem clubs to get value for the huge salaries. NZR get alot wrong but keeping their best players in NZ rugby is not one of them. SA clubs are virtually devoid of their top players now, no thanks. They cant threaten the big teams in the Champions Cup, the squads have little depth. Cant see Canes/Chiefs struggling. Super has been great this year, fantastic high skill matches. Drua a fantastic addition and Jaguares will add another quality team eventually. Aus teams performing strongly and no doubt will benefit with the incentive of a Lions tour and a home RWC. Let Jordie enjoy his time with Leinster, it will allow the opportunity for another player to emerge at Canes in his absence.
10 Go to commentsLove that man, his way to despise angry little men is so funny ! 😂
4 Go to comments“South African franchises would be powerhouses if we had all our overseas based players back in situ. We would have the same unbeatable aura the Toulouses, Leinsters or Saracens of this world have had over the last decade or so.” Proof that Jake white does not understand the economics of the game in SA. Players earning abroad are not going to simply come back and represent the bulls. But they might if they have a springbok contract.
22 Go to commentsA lot of fans just joined in for the fun of it! We all admire O'Gara and what he has done for La Rochelle
4 Go to commentsThe RFU will find a way to mess this up as usual. My bet is there will be no promotion into the the Premiership, only relegation into National League One. Hopefully they won’t parachute failed clubs into the league at the expense of clubs who have battled for promotion.
9 Go to commentsWell that’s the contracts for RG and Jordie bought and paid for. Now, what are the chances we can persuade Antoine to hop over with all the extra dosh we’ll have from living at the Aviva & Croke next season…??? 🤑🤑🤑
35 Go to commentsWow, that’s incredible. Great for rugby.
35 Go to commentsYou probably read that parling is going to coach the wallaby lineout but if not before now you have.
14 Go to commentsIf someone like Leo Cullen was in O’Gara’s place I don’t hear Boo-ing. It’s not just that La Rochelle has hurt Leinster and O’Gara is their Irish boss. It’s the needle that he brings and the pantomime activity before the game around pretending that Munster were supporting LaRochelle just because O’Gara is from Cork. That’s dividing Irish provinces just to get an advantage for his French Team. He can F*ck right off with that. BOOOOO! (but not while someone is lying injured)
4 Go to commentsDid the highlanders party too hard before the game? They were the pits.
1 Go to commentsWhat a player! Not long until he’s in the England side, surely?
5 Go to commentsHe seems to have the same aura as Marcus Smith - by which I mean he’s consistently judged as if he’s several years younger than he actually is. Mngomezulu has played 24 times for the Stormers. When Pollard was his age he had played 24 times for South Africa! He has more time to develop, but he has also had time to do some developing already, and he hasn’t demonstrated nearly as much talent in that time as one would expect. If he is a generational talent, then it must be a pretty poor generation.
6 Go to commentsThe greatest Springbok coach of all time is entirely on the money. Rassie and Jacques have given the south african public a great few years, but the success of the springbok selection policy will need to be judged in light of what comes next. The poor condition that the provincial system is currently in doesn’t bode well for the next few years of international rugby, and the insane 2026 schedule that the Boks have lined up could also really harm both provincial and international consistency.
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