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Jake White: Before I say what I’m going to say...

Scott Robertson, Head Coach of New Zealand, talks in the stands during the Quilter Nations Series 2025 rugby international match between England and New Zealand at Allianz Stadium on November 15, 2025 in London, England. (Photo by Dan Mullan - RFU/The RFU Collection via Getty Images)

Before I say what I’m going to say, I want to be clear that I’ve been in Scott Robertson’s position. I’ve been head coach of a rugby-mad nation, and I’ve had to face the music, after being flown back for an audience with the SARU board. Pressure was put on me to fire my coaches, Allister Coetzee and Gert Smal but I was steadfast and said no, and the following year, we lifted the World Cup. If you look over to the Land of the Long White Cloud, Ian Foster was asked to do the same, and he reneged, replacing John Plumtree and Brad Mooar with Jason Ryan and Joe Schmidt. That coaching team took the All Blacks to within two points of winning the World Cup. Stick or twist is the perennial teaser in elite sport.

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One aspect I’ve always been envious of is how New Zealand always seem to get their succession planning right, and I say that in a respectful way. The methodical, thorough way in which they pick their coaches is to be commended. The thinking goes that you have to serve your time and work your way up the coaching hierarchy. They won’t just parachute in say, Richie McCaw or Sean Fitzpatrick, just because they were revered captains, and I like that — not that I’m criticising any unions who have fast-tracked ex-players before time.

Anyway, as a coach who went through the system, I admire how they reward those who have gone through the right channels and worked their way up. As South Africa coach, when I went into the sheds and saw Sir Jock Hobbs, Sir Brian Lochore and Sir Graham Henry holding court, I saw an elite calibre of individual integrating with players and passing on their coaching IP. In James Kerr’s Legacy, there is a deep dive in how they go about their business, which has gone into folklore.

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However, if you fast-forward 21 years to the modern day, maybe, just maybe, it has become outdated. We live in an era where fans crave instant success, patience is a precious commodity and more rugby coaches are fired without getting a chance to turn things round.

Having listened to the musings of former All Blacks in recent weeks, I would say one of the aspects the hierarchy have to reassess is their process in appointing coaches.

To my understanding, as an aspiring head coach, when you present to the New Zealand board, you present your masterplan, you name the coaches you want to work with and you explain why.

If there are three or four coaches vying for the head coach, they can’t pick the same assistant coaching staff. For me, if you look back seven or eight months, I’d have seen merit in that, but with the benefit of hindsight maybe that’s the problem, because results have dipped, and they may need to bring in fresh blood if they are to have any chance of winning the 2027 World Cup.

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Look at what Lee Blackett has done for England or Tony Brown has done for the Springboks. Both coaches joined mid-term. If the head coaches are forced to cement their coaching set-up to the final day of their tenure, maybe that fixed model is no longer fit for purpose and more flexibility is required. It’s a question, not a statement and I’d love to know what fans think. Over the close season, they may privately admit their processes need modernising.

Blackett has transformed England’s backline, even faster than he transformed Bath’s. Take George Ford. Many were writing him off, but he went on tour to Argentina, hurting, having missed the Lions, and he’s come back and is getting picked ahead of Fin Smith, Marcus Smith and Owen Farrell. Seemingly Blackett improves players and he gets the best out of them, so you have to credit England Rugby for getting their man.

Under the New Zealand model, he wouldn’t have been part of the first-choice coaching staff. He’d have been part of another coaching ticket with Jamie Joseph or Leon MacDonald and having to wait years for his turn. To my mind, if they pinpoint the right guy, they just have to make room for him.

I raised an eyebrow at one quote Razor made about his coaches ‘still learning on the job’, which is not something you’d historically see with an All Blacks coaching team. That’s not a maxim etched into high performance. It’s the same for the players. I saw Richie McCaw saying last week you have to be ready in an All Blacks shirt and it’s the same for coaches. That wouldn’t have been said 10 years ago, I can assure you. It would have been sacrilegious. Their win record in that stellar period under Steve Hansen was 93% and now it’s down to 69% so their slide is irrefutable. The problem is they were seen as the benchmark to excellence. Rugby’s cognoscenti told us that they were considered not only the most successful rugby team of all-time but one of the best sporting teams ever. It’s a bit like Grey College in Bloem. They have a 90% win record over the last 100 years, and if their standards dropped like that, there would be questions.

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So, what’s happened? Is it because Super Rugby has changed? Is it because the player pathway isn’t quite as good? As outsiders, we’re still boxing in the dark in trying to answer those questions, and now the All Blacks hierarchy will have to solve them. It’s funny, when you create a dynasty, as fans, you think it will go on forever. Look at Manchester United. When Sir Alex Ferguson was carried off after winning the league for a record 13th time, few would have thought they would be craving another title 14 years later. There is no God-given right for any sporting side to remain successful. That aura you build up can come crashing down with a few egregious decisions. To sum up, this is a watershed moment for them in their 122-year history. I have no doubt they will become leaders again and they will turn it around because there is no way a rugby-mad country like that will not find answers, but it won’t be easy.

So, what of the chasing pack behind the Springboks? Well, it’s clear England have turned a corner, but a note of caution. They must be wary of crowning themselves World Champions before they’ve got there. They can’t start believing their own press. Saying that, they’ve won 10 on the spin and are looking like genuine contenders. I saw Austin Healey saying Borthwick’s got a lot of flak in the last couple of years for getting things wrong, but now he’s got it spot on with his coaching appointments and using a ‘Pom’ squad — he deserves a pat on the back.

As for France, they need Antoine Dupont back but even with him back in situ, there are more questions than answers before the Autumn Series.

Of the other World Cup contenders, I would say Argentina are in a very good place as dark horses. They are starting to drum up significant wins. That comeback against Scotland was one of the greatest ever in Test rugby, so chapeau to Felipe Contepomi.

As for Ireland, they will be under the spotlight until they get past the World Cup quarter-final. I’m not sure how much that win over a fatigued Wallabies tells us, and despite a huge game with the Springboks this weekend, we’ll only really know where Farrell’s men are after the Six Nations, when they’ve played England and France.

I want to make one final point about red cards and body height, especially with locks. The average rugby fan will say, ‘oh, that isn’t so bad’ when a card comes out and of course, there will always be a country bias to whether you agree or disagree with decisions, but let’s take the Lood de Jager example when he tackled Thomas Ramos and saw red. If you replicated that incident in a schoolboy game and an 80kg lock cleaned out a 50kg full-back, parents would be saying, ‘get that player off the pitch’. You see, the laws aren’t made for professional players who are conditioned to contact sport, law changes have been brought in to make the game safer from the bottom up, not from the top down. I hope the rugby public will one day see the bigger picture and not just blame conspiracy theories that officials are out to get players and forever blaming inconsistencies.

As ever, I’d love to know your thoughts.

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CO 22 days ago

Well written article as typical from Jake White.


As a Kiwi the reality is that Scott was setup to fail by a misstep from Mark Robinson the CEO and NZ rugby is an semi pro organization in the modern professional game.


NZ rugby has slipped below the Springboks, France and England for a structure that will achieve results and for a time Ireland. Argentina and Scotland are also now peers, Australia would've gone past long ago not just the Allblacks but every other team except perhaps the Boks if it wasn't for AFL and the ugly offspring of rugby that is known as league.


How to fix NZ rugby?


First off shift to a fully professional organization where the coaches have an annual performance review and players are on contract to super rugby teams or offshore clubs and not the Allblacks.


Secondly break up the Crusaders dominance by banning them from selecting players from outside their region unless that player isn't wanted by their region. Reihana and Ennor as examples should be at the Auckland blues.


Institute a draft each year.


Annually if the win ratio dips below eighty five percent have the coaching staff reapply for their positions with a default removal clause.


Create a director of rugby with Jamie Joseph hired as interim until Joe Schmidt becomes available at which stage the position is his with Joseph appointed head coach.


Fire Robertson and assistant coaches at the end of this tour regardless of the Wales result and cease creating any further Allblack contracts, transfer all active ones to super rugby teams.


Cease the RUPA stranglehold on players, a players union has contributed to players not as motivated as they were.


Selection lead by the director with the head coach the only coach on the selection panel.

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JW 22 days ago

However, if you fast-forward 21 years to the modern day, maybe, just maybe, it has become outdated. We live in an era where fans crave instant success, patience is a precious commodity and more rugby coaches are fired without getting a chance to turn things round.

Huh? What? What are you saying? That the old ways aren’t the best ways? That they move with the glutinous times? Blasphemy!


Haha I wouldn’t have expected a South African to say that! No I think you are right to suggest they have done things the right way so far. Certainly New Zealand rugby has always been about punching above their weight, eeking the most out of everything (which the succession plan is no doubt designed to do), but the rest of the world is changing, and that has impacts, consequences.


Probably one of the most notable would be the availability of staff and how they are signed to longer term deals these days. There might indeed need to be a more flexible model, like say appointing the next coach two years out, in an even more tailored succession system. Personally I have said my approach would be to select on form, from the coaches and staff in Super Rugby, just like the players.

If there are three or four coaches vying for the head coach, they can’t pick the same assistant coaching staff.

No, that’s not correct.

Under the New Zealand model, he wouldn’t have been part of the first-choice coaching staff. He’d have been part of another coaching ticket with Jamie Joseph or Leon MacDonald and having to wait years for his turn.

Why is that? How does he scare you away from being first choice? Do you mean if he wasn’t first choice? NZR has kinda moved with the times, just look at Holland ending his two year contract. It would be just the same situation Blackett could come into. That could be O’Gara or Mitchell for the All Blacks? They still haven’t really replaced the attack coach (McDonald) so that might be coming up again soon too (unsure on Tamati Ellison’s length).


I’m not really too sure what the rest of the world is like, and whether saying recruiting O’Gara is compounding the problem, but the one thing I wonder if may have always hindering the ABs was an inclination to appoint and look at head coaches in the roster, rather than who seemingly get highlighted throughout the world, in other sides, as ‘assistants’. When I’m hearing others do well in other environemnts (like Nienaber) they are not head coaches, as you have seen with Hansen taking over, then Foster, McDonald etc.

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Con 23 days ago

Great article. Here in NZ many commentators are saying for blood. Often on the premise of conservative selections. But if you look at the team sheet there are a lot of players in the ABs with less than 20 tests. In 2 more years that will look quite different. Stay the course is my view.

I was at the springboks Albany match a few years ago. SB rugby was dire and it was sad to see as an ABs fan. Look at them now. Rugby will more and more swing between nations as competitiveness grows from emerging nations. Great seeing Argentina play top level footy and nations like Scotland lifting some weight and Italy showing signs.

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ck 21 days ago

Boks turned it around by sacking the coach and appointing rassie,ABz have to do the same and sack razor

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unknown 22 days ago

It's not the players it's the game plan that's why they asking for blood there's no game plan no back up nothing of that sort you can't blame the players if there's no game plan

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cw 22 days ago

Like the positivity! And agree he has brought new players into the fold. But he has been really conservative in how he uses them. For example in two years why have we only tried Barrett and McKenzie at 10. And he has not spread other key positions among the full squad so when we needed them to step up they could not - eg Ratima. But perhaps the worse thing is that when ambition is needed most he has preferred a defensive “old school” approach. The last game we should have gone 6-2 for example. The good news is this is fixable - he just has to have faith in the full squad all of the time.

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JW 22 days ago

In relation to what was brought up in the article about Foster turning things around, one thing he did have to abandon in order to achieve that was player development. He had to make so many key changes (after having delayed so long to make them) in late 2022 that the team needed stability all the way up until the WC.


This meant a lot of new players waiting for their chance. Sure, they got it under Razor, but there is still a question of whether they are out dated changes and that when you look behind those ‘caps’, there are actually far less minutes that one would expect, or want, from those new players.


Personally I have this part of his reign as a negative. I was looking forward to so much more ambitiousness, especially in this area.

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MK 23 days ago

What great thoughts. Keep it up

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Bazzallina 23 days ago

The problem for Lood Ramos is stationary and he is the one coming forward so onus is on him, arm is tucked shoulder hits his head could have been 20 minute red but was enough to warrant the full , Mostert was similar but slightly less reckless referral 20 min red card at the most

Problem with Beirne was he stepped across and slightly forward towards Beaudy at the last moment with his arms down shoulder hits head not much force kind of absorbing 10 minutes imo but not that far off the 20 minute red.


Ultimately they have to protect players heads right? it’s no silver bullet to prevent head injury but just another “brick in the wall” along with smart guards coaching education yadda yadda yadda

Watch this space for hip drop tackles I reckon see so many lower leg injuries all the time and this often present not that it’s reckless but sure is dangerous how they would ref it in Union is tough one with more chaos around ball compared to League

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JW 22 days ago

No doubt the NFL went through the same problem a century ago and that’s why they don’t have to put the ball down now. You might see rugby going the same way, attackers having to get to ground is half the problem.


Lood’s was never a legal tackle, so he cant receive mitigation, otherwise it would have just been a yellow alright. Personally I don’t know whether he always intended to shoulder charge him or if that was a result of pulling out/playing not catching the ball/ ball obscuring his vision etc. I thought it wrong to say he ‘always’ intending on not tackling him properly. Baird was a more blatant always illegal tackle from what I could make it out. Go figure.

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PMcD 23 days ago

JW - as we start to see all the Q4 scoring averages and how good the SB’s are right now. If you were coaching any team going up against Rassie’s SB’s, given they are 95% likely to beat you anyway, wouldn’t you just throw the dice on 7|1 or 8|0 (if you are Steve Tandy) to try and contain that SB battle tank of a pack and at least give yourself a chance against their forwards?


I am genuinely surprised more people don’t use Rassie own idea against him.


The only issue, what if he returned the favour? 🤣🤣

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GrahamVF 23 days ago

The problem is the Springboks grow up with physical confrontation as their essence whether you are a back or a forward. Just look at how much physically Kolbe punches above his weight. The Saffa mentality is different. Check the Boer war and now add the Zulu Inpis 😆 as a nation we love a fight. 😉

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PMcD 23 days ago

The real issue with the AB’s is they are probably 5% off where they were but the margins of difference have got smaller and 5% makes a massive difference in the modern game.


They literally need to change the bench strategy and probably 1 or 2 players and they will be where they need. However, whilst the role of the bench has changed since RWC2023 (and I do think Razzie had led the way on this), Razor has not evolved with the times and the people that played 5|3 at the weekend, should most likely be wishing they hadn’t (including Razor & Gregor Townsend).

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JW 22 days ago

5% from last year or in general? I’d say theyre about 25% off a decade ago (what most are likely to compare to).


I’d say most of the fans still want most of that 25% back. Certainly just 5 mist be enough to fix some of the ‘pictures’ were crying about. Remember this SB side will go a lot further past this current point they are at now too, similar to where NZ were at in 2011.

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PMcD 23 days ago

JW, I am with you on the cards. We came from an era that was hard to get a card, now it’s hard not to get one in games.


Beirne’s red card was a lack of common sense, LdJ’s was where he couldn’t go lower, the Ramos drop in height actually caused the incident and I genuinely think they need to apply some common sense. Foul play needs intent, going in as low as you can for the defender to drop their height is not intent.


Mostert . . . Well, we’ve made our point.


Cards used to be an occasional issue, now they are coming out in every game and I hate to say it but I think it has gone too far. This game was designed as XV vs XV and it’s about time we started maintaining the integrity of that and find a better balance with cards.

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JW 22 days ago

If he never intended to tackle him then it’s fair enough. Otherwise I agree, don’t follow the modern day trends. Everything is going to sh..


Am I missing my ‘Rugby Pass’ badge? You will never know..

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Hammer Head 23 days ago

Sure. But. It wasn’t a schoolboy game and it wasn’t a red card. The school boy game wouldn’t have the benefit of the TMO and replays.


In fact - I’d go so far as to say that schoolboys are and will forever remain the most at risk for serious injury despite the laws. Because of the infringements missed.


Is WR doing all of this to convince moms and dads to let their children risk breaking their necks in highly unregulated amateur games?


No.


They’re doing this because of a lawsuit that will cost them a big chunk of change and possibly their bonuses for one year.

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JW 22 days ago

Because of the infringements missed.

No more because of these types of denial posts.


Those last two points are the one and same, there is no need to separate them. Amateur players are just as much a part of the lawsuit discussion.

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MM 23 days ago

As the saying goes Hammer, read it in the paper! It was definitely a red card following Lood charging in like an exocet and shoulder charging Ramos. Wake up and open the other eye mate!

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Carlos 23 days ago

There are two issues with coaching. I could agree of giving time to get better to Razor &Co. if I saw a pattern of improvement or a type of game that shows attempts at innovation. Asan arm’s length observer of NZ, I see no pattern at all. It appears they are lost in the field.

Now, look at Felipe. I don’t think they are the real thing yet but I see a clear pattern of innovation, trying something new. If Felipe manages to get more and better props, and less moments missing concentration, then the Pumas will become real.

Two rugby nations with two coaches with two years on. Felipe came from assisting Leinster and Razor from 7 year SR champions. Felipe seems ahead now.

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