The All Blacks didn’t have a lot of great moments in 2025 but there was one memorable incident in the test against the Springboks at Eden Park.
South Africa, having endured a dire opening 60 minutes, were building momentum in the final quarter of their Rugby Championship clash with the All Blacks and had clawed their way back to within seven points.
They were smashing and bashing their way towards a last minute try and an unlikely draw, but two metres from the All Blacks goal-line, Ardie Savea positioned himself over the tackled player, got his hands on the ball and held his weight for long enough to win the turnover penalty and secure the 24-17 win.
As he celebrated – in what was his 100th Test – he hammered his chest and shouted: “This is my house,” a reference to the All Blacks 31-year unbeaten record at Eden Park that had just been preserved.
After the game, he was asked about that turnover and he said: “You guys [media] do a great job building that pressure.
Ardie Savea struck a defiant tone when protecting Eden Park against the Springboks to protect their 32-year winning record (Photo Michael Bradley/Getty Images)
“As a player, mate, you thrive on that, and it makes you want to do better. That’s what the people of this nation deserve and that’s what we are expected as All Blacks to do.
“For me, I love it. It gets the knots in the gut going and makes me want to perform for the people.”
The way he played that night, the way he’d played in his previous 99 Tests, and the way he spoke with a profound sense of knowing that the All Blacks are the people’s team, he executed the role of captain superbly.
Except he wasn’t the All Blacks captain. He’d captained the team for much of 2021, a few games in 2022 and more than half the season in 2023 due to injuries to Sam Cane, but when new coach Scott Robertson took over in 2024, he elevated Crusaders skipper Scott Barrett to the All Blacks’ job.
There was a strong connection between the two men as they had operated as coach and captain at the Crusaders, and Robertson obviously wanted someone in the role that he knew and trusted.
What’s fascinating now, is that with Robertson gone, new coach Dave Rennie has to decide whether to persevere with Barrett as captain or make a change.
It made for a challenging dynamic as throughout Robertson’s two-year tenure, Barrett never played or spoke like he was the captain, while Savea continuously did both.
It was never apparent whether Barrett even wanted to be captain – admitting as he did, that he had to take a few weeks to think about it when he was first asked.
Most media interpreted that delay as a sign of the respect Barrett had for the job, but two years later, it felt like he may have needed time to talk himself into doing it.
He never looked comfortable in the role and his form dipped to the point where it was marginal as to whether he was still a legitimate automatic starter.
What’s fascinating now, is that with Robertson gone, new coach Dave Rennie has to decide whether to persevere with Barrett as captain or make a change.
Scott Robertson had to think long and hard whether he wanted the All Blacks captaincy and there are doubts he will retain it under Dave Rennie (Photo by Hannah Peters/Getty Images)
The case to stick with Barrett is hard to make. Leaving aside that the role seemed to diminish him and curtail his ability to be the world class lock he was in 2023, he’s barely going to feature in Super Rugby as he’s on sabbatical until the latter rounds, rehabilitating from long-needed surgery.
There is no evidence to suggest that Barrett will handle the dual demands of trying to regain his best form while captaining the team, and if Rennie wants the former, he’d be advised to take away the latter.
Without the burden of the extra responsibilities that come with the job, Barrett would be free to focus on himself and re-establish his credentials as the best lock in the country – or at least get back to using his athleticism and soft hands more effectively.
New Zealand has an emerging cohort of young locks in Tupou Vaa’i, Fabian Holland, Josh Lord and Sam Darry, but Rennie will want a supercharged Barrett in his mix, particularly for the tour to South Africa.
Codie Taylor and Jordie Barrett have been touted as candidates, but why look past Savea? He’s got experience, he handles the media responsibility well, he’s a guaranteed starter, he’s got good rapport with referees and commands respect globally.
The bonus with an in-form Barrett is that he can revert to blindside in the final quarter of big Tests and give the All Blacks the size and explosive power they will need to diffuse the bomb squad.
And if Rennie wants an alternative to Barrett, surely there is only one logical choice – which is Savea?
Codie Taylor and Jordie Barrett have been touted as candidates, but why look past Savea? He’s got experience, he handles the media responsibility well, he’s a guaranteed starter, he’s got good rapport with referees and commands respect globally.
Adding to Savea’s claim is that he has spent the last six months working with Rennie (and assistant coach Mike Blair) at Kobe and he has an established relationship (through their time with Moana Pasifika) with incoming defence coach Tana Umaga.
It seems a no brainer, yet there is a but with Savea – a couple of issues that need to be ironed out.
Ardie Savea is a guaranteed pick, good with the media and has the respect of his team-mates (Photo Ramsey Cardy/Getty Images)
The first is that Savea may not be available for the first three Tests of the Nations Championship in July.
He’s currently negotiating with NZR (and Rennie) a load management programme to get him through to the World Cup next year in prime condition.
One option on the table is for him to rest up in July as he has endured a heavy playing load since August 2023 with limited time off.
He played for Kobe after the 2023 World Cup and came home in late May 2024 and was effectively straight into work with the All Blacks where he played virtually every minute of every Test.
He had an off-season in late 2024, but then had a huge campaign with Moana Pasifika, another heavy workload with the All Blacks and was straight back to Kobe in November last year where he will be until late May.
And this is where the cloud hangs over Savea – he was afforded two sabbaticals and he chose to play in Japan on both occasions (banking an estimated $4 million) – and now he’s negotiating more time off.
The story of how all this played out is the bigger cloud hanging over Savea’s captaincy claim. The NZ Herald revealed that Savea met with NZR chair David Kirk in Edinburgh last year and asked to be released from the last two years of his contract.
There is a cohort of fans not supportive of elevating him to the captaincy as there seems to be some immovable suspicion that Savea somehow engineered the fate of Robertson and is an overly powerful figure within the All Blacks.
Savea reportedly said he was missing home life with his wife and three kids too much and that he was also physically and mentally tired. He reportedly said to Kirk that the only solution to his predicament that he could see was to quit.
He didn’t appear to have a close bond with former coach Robertson either and it has taken some prolonged negotiation to get Savea back from the brink.
It’s clear from mainstream reporting and social media reaction that Savea has divided the nation to some extent.
There is a cohort of fans not supportive of elevating him to the captaincy as there seems to be some immovable suspicion that Savea somehow engineered the fate of Robertson and is an overly powerful figure within the All Blacks.
This thinking persists despite continued strong denials from Kirk and various senior players: “I’m a bit disappointed,” Blues captain Patrick Tuipulotu told reporters at the launch of Super Rugby Pacific.
“He’s been used as a scapegoat when he’s probably just expressed his views in a review, and it’s come out. A lot of people expressed their views in the review; everyone in the team does.
“I suppose it’s just easy to latch onto him because he’s probably the best player in the world at the moment. It’s a bit disappointing, but people are going to say what they’re going to say.”
Dave Rennie is his own man and will not be swayed by public opinion on who to appoint as the next All Blacks skipper (Photo Phil Walter/Getty Images)
Given Rennie’s track record of knowing his own mind and being certain about what really matters, it seems unlikely he’ll take much note of public perception.
What will matter to him is that for the last two years – probably the last five – Savea has played and acted like the All Blacks captain and the playing group is 100 per cent behind him.
There’s going to be barely 18 months to prepare for the World Cup when the team next assembles in July and given Savea’s previous experience and existing relationships with the coaching staff, it would be an unjustifiable risk to overlook him.
Savea will likely leave New Zealand after the World Cup, at which point, assuming Rennie -who is only contracted until the end of 2027 – is granted an extension, the coach can pick a new, younger captain to lead the All Blacks through to 2031.
Also, it’s not such a big deal that Savea may not play in July – that can be sold as an opportunity to build leadership and hand the captaincy to Jordie Barrett or Taylor or even Vaa’i.
Having first captained the team on a temporary basis in 2021, Savea appears set to finally be appointed to the role on a permanent basis.
I dunno man. Part of me just thinks he needs to harden up and get back to work.
Tired, huh? So are the cleaners working 3 jobs and juggling the power rent and food bills.
He wanted to pocket $4million playing for a Japanese corporation instead of having an off season, fine.
He wants to skip 3 tests for his country to do it, ok sweet as Ardie you do you.
But that is not the priorities of an All Black Captain in my opinion.
But it’s the players opinions that count I suppose.
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Bazzallina 12 hours ago
Co captains and each game depends on who is playing Ardie Scooter and Taylor all should be tried at the same time coming off the bench but that should not be always be the case but when it comes to the face and connection to the public at large it has to be Ardie and the fans matter realistically the only guys guaranteed to start atm are Cam and Will right? with Jordie Newell Tupou V Lakai Caleb Clarke all being the other probsmy team to kick off against France first test
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Nickers 18 hours ago
Short answer - Yes. He is 100% captaincy material. He has been the spiritual captain of the team for a number of years, as well as the actual captain with Cane and Barrett both suffering so many injuries. Giving him the arm band will just formalise what everyone can observe to already be true.
1. He is 32, not 42. He will have only JUST turned 34 at the next World Cup - this is not old.
2. He is 100% one of our best 3 loosies in test rugby, and still will be in 18 months. Don’t get lured in to the idea that some strange need to have someone 3 inches taller somehow means our back row is not “balanced” if he is in it. It is truly one of the dumbest ideas going around.
3. What are the alternatives? Taylor is already 35, if Ardie being 32 is an issue then Taylor being 35 definitely should be. 0% chance Taylor ever plays a whole game if that is also a requirement. Retain Scooter? I think the article does a good job of detailing the various reasons that made this not work. Take a bet on a young guy with a view to 2031? No chance - Rennie is here as a mercenary with an 20 month deadline. All decisions will be factored around building for that, and that alone. There won’t be risks taken on an inexperienced young captain. The only other contender is Jordie Barrett.
Crucially Savea needs to commit to a Super Rugby team, allow the NZ rugby public to become enamoured with him again, and have a blockbuster tour of South Africa. At the moment there are some slight SBW vibes around him. If he doesn’t recommit to Super Rugby I don’t think he should be captain. It would be very nice to have the a large majority of the NZ rugby public behind the captain again - it’s been a while. But if he goes back to Japan there will be a sentiment, whether true or not, that he is in it for himself rather than the team.
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JW 1 day ago
My house, not our house.
Depicted as no kind of leader. Have no idea if that quote is true of course, could be slander against Ardie.
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DC 1 day ago
ask dave rennnie he is the only one who really knows the answer
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NucK 1 day ago
Ardies best roll IMO is off the bench with 30 mins to go. Empty the tank. He could be a massive weapon closing out games against tiring opponents.
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Spew_81 1 day ago
One issue with A Savea and captaincy of the All Blacks is, will A Savea be on the field for 80 minutes regularly? A Savea wasn’t a traditional New Zealand openside e.g. tackles/cleanout etc. It was the non-traditional openside skills he brought were that outstanding; getting close to Michael Jones level. Will a 32 year old A Savea have the energy to do the donkey work at openside, and the flashy stuff that he has become renown for, for 80 minutes week in week out?
Lakai seems to be the heir apparent at openside for the All Blacks. He has great all around skills, a good running game, and an excellent work rate. Also, at only 23 years old, he has time on his side. Sititi seems at home at number eight where his incredible ball running skills are well used; also, he is 23.
Is the best option to try to shoehorn A Savea into the blindside role? A Savea’s energy used to make up for not having the size of a traditional blindside. But as stated A Savea is 32, he is likely in the twilight of his international career. Large, consistent, work rates e.g. with Moana Pasifika in 2025 and moving around for club changes and sabbaticals; and now club uncertainty will not have helped his mental and physical freshness.
Perhaps the most intelligent position for A Savea, both for the All Blacks and to preserve him longer term, is to start him from the bench as the loose forward reserve? Bringing on a player with: experience, explosiveness, and mana could be exactly what the All Blacks need to avoid the ‘third' quarter’ fade that has afflicted them in recent years.
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JW 1 day ago
It’s a good shout because in this day and age theres no guarantee your captain (no not suggesting Sititi here) is also not one coming off with 30 to go.
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NucK 1 day ago
Lakai 7 Wallace 8 whoever 6 and Ardie off the bench with 30 to go. He'd be close to unstoppable in those circles IMO.
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BM 1 day ago
NO
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GM 1 day ago
Hope you’re right, Gregor.
If Ardie takes July off, that shouldn’t be a deal-breaker for his captaincy. Even if not playng, he’d no doubt be around the environment, contributing hugely to the leadership group, etc. In fact his absence in the first 3 tests may well help the ABs in South Africa, where they’ll need more than one ‘playing captain’ for the heavy load of mid-week matches etc.
Nor do I think that the captain has to be someone who plays the full 80 - Kolisi and the Boks don’t seem to have a problem with him playing limited minutes. So Codie Taylor should not be overlooked for that reason. Similarly, someone coming off the bench, like that man of immense mana and maturity, Paddy Tuipolotu.
In fact, for the July tests, the ABs could do worse than appoint Ardie overall captain, and at the same time appoint Cody and Paddy co vice-captains, so that, in the normal run of the July tests, ie. Cody starting and Paddy coming off the bench, the ABs would always have a genuine leader on the field.
Fingers crossed that Rennie doesn’t give any consideration at all to a rabid section of AB fans who still believe that it was Ardie who got rid of Razor. In fact, if Ardie isn’t appointed captain, it’ll give more grist to that particular mill.
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BigMack 1 day ago
Why do we have to name a ‘captain’ at all?
I don’t understand our obsession with naming a captain for an entire season or months out from the first game.
Why not pick your team on form for the coming week, and then name your captain. Yes, it will probably be the same player, if they’re the first name on the team sheet and are consistently in form…..
But there’s the rub…saying a player is going to be the captain and will therefore start every game this season is ridiculous and leads to selection bias.
You want your spot? Earn it. It’s not a given.
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GrahamVF 17 hours ago
Agreed. One the first criterion for a captain is that he should be an automatic starting cfhoice.
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Carpet Monkey 1 day ago
Hmm
Brodie Retallick anyone?
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Ayre123 None 1 day ago
I wonder if Savea can still holds his place in the ABs lineup, let alone being the ABs captain?
His role in the demise of Robertson will too count against him with Dave Renee !
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GM 1 day ago
This comment is a mindless repetition of two myths. Read the article, it’s informed, unlike this drivel.
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B 1 day ago
Ardie Savea has AB’s captaincy experience but Dave Rennie decides who gets the job?!?..
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JW 23 hours ago
Ditto
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Hammer Head 1 day ago
I’ve always felt that Ardie isn’t a great captain. Is there anyone else outside the usual suspects worth taking a punt on?
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Icefarrow 1 day ago
Codie Taylor, if he didn’t injure himself often.
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Eric Elwood 1 day ago
I think it might be timely to look at what a captain of a top tier international rugby team might look like in 2027.
There are many leadership roles in a team.
The captain must be the person who can take on a proportion of these roles most effectively for the overall increase in teams performance and trajectory.
What are modern leadership roles?
1. Ill start with what I believe will change most.
Real time coaching. Look at the changes you see teams make at H/T and you can see how much potential there may be for live coaching. Team leaders who are expert in reading matches in real time need to relay tactical changes also in real time to each other and the tactical leader (who may not necessarily be the captain) in real time. The minds of the team members who need to implement a tactical change need to be as one so its a team change.
Is there a ‘special play’ to gain momentum change, snaffle a penalty
2. Other captaincy roles such as comms with referee, motivation, leading by example, emotional level leader (calm when needed), Discipline enforcer eg concede 7 pts and not 7 pts + yellow card. etc.
Role 1 is why coaches are always trying to get “messages” on. Erasmus is the major example of this. I would argue that role one is what we were not seeing with NZ in recent years.
NZ had this organically in the past in “finding a way” to win.
So Savea would fit the captaincy for the roles in 2. above.
But who are your tactical leader/s and are these men proficient in communicating to best effect for NZ?
Note for 1. If ANY player sees something that a team could beneficially change there must be a way for that person to get that message into the collective thinking. They shoould also be trained for this, you can’t have a person who could contribute staying silent dues to shyness/confidence etc.
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JW 23 hours ago
I think Beauden did a lot of that stuff with the team (1) and Jordie is following suit probably the most
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John Breslin 1 day ago
All Blacks captains are different - they need the Jagger Swagger
Ardie has it and has had it from day one
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SB 1 day ago
There is a cohort of fans not supportive of elevating him to the captaincy as there seems to be some immovable suspicion that Savea somehow engineered the fate of Robertson and is an overly powerful figure within the All Blacks.
They love him in Christchurch now, although he is definitely a powerful figure in the squad.
If he’s not playing in July, hard to make him captain though.
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Icefarrow 2 days ago
Ardie is not captaincy material. The media sure loves ignoring the gluttony of times he’s lost his cool or made zero difference to the end result as captain. It's quite funny how they repeatedly claim Scott is not captain material, yet members of the team talk about what he brings as a leader fondly.
A real one-eyed narrative going on here. Personally, I’d prefer someone new, who’s neither of them.
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Hammer Head 1 day ago
Agreed. I’ve always felt that Ardie is far more valuable focusing on his game than trying to split his attention to captaincy too.
I don’t think he’s captaincy material. He’s a soldier, not a general.
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PMcD 2 days ago
Great question, it’s pretty clear the AB’s lacked leadership under Scooter, so a change is likely needed at captain but the big question mark is who is the guaranteed starter that will play significant time on the pitch?
If you think through those candidates that meet that criteria it’s;
Fabian Holland
Wallace Sititi
Jordie Barrett
Will Jordan
Richie Mounga (has enough on his plate to make the team)
Then there is a big compromise with playing mins;
Ardie Savea
Codie Taylor
Then you think through who is the best leader, captain and decision maker that is capable of leading the AB’s . . . . and it’s a much shorter list.
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JW 23 hours ago
How does the job work for England PMCD?
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SB 1 day ago
Is Holland actually a guaranteed starter? Same with Sititi, who was in 2024 for the second part of the campaign but not last year.
When everyone was fit Holland wasn’t starting last year and was set to be outside the 23 against the Wallabies in the second test before Vaa’i pulled out late. It could still be Vaa’i S. Barrett with Tuipulotu on the bench.
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unknown 2 days ago
Well written article!! As an English man and outsider to S. Hemisphere rugby it’s been an interesting six months
The first requirement for any captain must be automatic selection.
Savea is guaranteed of this .. whether at #7 or #8.
The next is that unquantifiable ingredient of ‘presence’. Again, Savea has this in abundance.
However, Savea also has lots of miles on the clock.
Will Dave Rennie look for a longer term alternative to lead his All Blacks into the 2031 World Cup?
Finally, there’s the issue of his public profile.
As this article rightly points out, Savea has polarised public opinion following Razor's sacking.
The ABs have numerous leaders - various Barratts, Taylor, Roigard, etc.
Is the primary role of the new captain one of PR?
Should they appoint someone who talks well and perhaps brings the naysayers back into the AB fold?
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JW 1 day ago
You’re limited the options there unknown!
On your last question I’d say the only guy at that level who could do that would be Sititi.
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PB 1 day ago
Is he? He is neither a 7 or a 8 actually. The AB’s try and fit him in for those rate individual moments of magic, and lose the collective of having a proper 7/8
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Hammer Head 1 day ago
The best captains should be able to run for president of their country after retirement. Statesmanlike.
That level of diplomacy and on the field leadership - not just being a hard grafter.
I don’t see that in Ardie. He’s a soldier. Not a general.
Distracting someone like Roigard with captaincy now would also be a mistake. He’s already carrying more than his fair share of the can. Especially with the dearth of X factor at first receiver.
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I dunno man. Part of me just thinks he needs to harden up and get back to work.
Tired, huh? So are the cleaners working 3 jobs and juggling the power rent and food bills.
He wanted to pocket $4million playing for a Japanese corporation instead of having an off season, fine.
He wants to skip 3 tests for his country to do it, ok sweet as Ardie you do you.
But that is not the priorities of an All Black Captain in my opinion.
But it’s the players opinions that count I suppose.
Co captains and each game depends on who is playing Ardie Scooter and Taylor all should be tried at the same time coming off the bench but that should not be always be the case but when it comes to the face and connection to the public at large it has to be Ardie and the fans matter realistically the only guys guaranteed to start atm are Cam and Will right? with Jordie Newell Tupou V Lakai Caleb Clarke all being the other probsmy team to kick off against France first test
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Short answer - Yes. He is 100% captaincy material. He has been the spiritual captain of the team for a number of years, as well as the actual captain with Cane and Barrett both suffering so many injuries. Giving him the arm band will just formalise what everyone can observe to already be true.
1. He is 32, not 42. He will have only JUST turned 34 at the next World Cup - this is not old.
2. He is 100% one of our best 3 loosies in test rugby, and still will be in 18 months. Don’t get lured in to the idea that some strange need to have someone 3 inches taller somehow means our back row is not “balanced” if he is in it. It is truly one of the dumbest ideas going around.
3. What are the alternatives? Taylor is already 35, if Ardie being 32 is an issue then Taylor being 35 definitely should be. 0% chance Taylor ever plays a whole game if that is also a requirement. Retain Scooter? I think the article does a good job of detailing the various reasons that made this not work. Take a bet on a young guy with a view to 2031? No chance - Rennie is here as a mercenary with an 20 month deadline. All decisions will be factored around building for that, and that alone. There won’t be risks taken on an inexperienced young captain. The only other contender is Jordie Barrett.
Crucially Savea needs to commit to a Super Rugby team, allow the NZ rugby public to become enamoured with him again, and have a blockbuster tour of South Africa. At the moment there are some slight SBW vibes around him. If he doesn’t recommit to Super Rugby I don’t think he should be captain. It would be very nice to have the a large majority of the NZ rugby public behind the captain again - it’s been a while. But if he goes back to Japan there will be a sentiment, whether true or not, that he is in it for himself rather than the team.
My house, not our house.
Depicted as no kind of leader. Have no idea if that quote is true of course, could be slander against Ardie.
ask dave rennnie he is the only one who really knows the answer
Ardies best roll IMO is off the bench with 30 mins to go. Empty the tank. He could be a massive weapon closing out games against tiring opponents.
One issue with A Savea and captaincy of the All Blacks is, will A Savea be on the field for 80 minutes regularly? A Savea wasn’t a traditional New Zealand openside e.g. tackles/cleanout etc. It was the non-traditional openside skills he brought were that outstanding; getting close to Michael Jones level. Will a 32 year old A Savea have the energy to do the donkey work at openside, and the flashy stuff that he has become renown for, for 80 minutes week in week out?
Lakai seems to be the heir apparent at openside for the All Blacks. He has great all around skills, a good running game, and an excellent work rate. Also, at only 23 years old, he has time on his side. Sititi seems at home at number eight where his incredible ball running skills are well used; also, he is 23.
Is the best option to try to shoehorn A Savea into the blindside role? A Savea’s energy used to make up for not having the size of a traditional blindside. But as stated A Savea is 32, he is likely in the twilight of his international career. Large, consistent, work rates e.g. with Moana Pasifika in 2025 and moving around for club changes and sabbaticals; and now club uncertainty will not have helped his mental and physical freshness.
Perhaps the most intelligent position for A Savea, both for the All Blacks and to preserve him longer term, is to start him from the bench as the loose forward reserve? Bringing on a player with: experience, explosiveness, and mana could be exactly what the All Blacks need to avoid the ‘third' quarter’ fade that has afflicted them in recent years.
It’s a good shout because in this day and age theres no guarantee your captain (no not suggesting Sititi here) is also not one coming off with 30 to go.
Lakai 7 Wallace 8 whoever 6 and Ardie off the bench with 30 to go. He'd be close to unstoppable in those circles IMO.
NO
Hope you’re right, Gregor.
If Ardie takes July off, that shouldn’t be a deal-breaker for his captaincy. Even if not playng, he’d no doubt be around the environment, contributing hugely to the leadership group, etc. In fact his absence in the first 3 tests may well help the ABs in South Africa, where they’ll need more than one ‘playing captain’ for the heavy load of mid-week matches etc.
Nor do I think that the captain has to be someone who plays the full 80 - Kolisi and the Boks don’t seem to have a problem with him playing limited minutes. So Codie Taylor should not be overlooked for that reason. Similarly, someone coming off the bench, like that man of immense mana and maturity, Paddy Tuipolotu.
In fact, for the July tests, the ABs could do worse than appoint Ardie overall captain, and at the same time appoint Cody and Paddy co vice-captains, so that, in the normal run of the July tests, ie. Cody starting and Paddy coming off the bench, the ABs would always have a genuine leader on the field.
Fingers crossed that Rennie doesn’t give any consideration at all to a rabid section of AB fans who still believe that it was Ardie who got rid of Razor. In fact, if Ardie isn’t appointed captain, it’ll give more grist to that particular mill.
Why do we have to name a ‘captain’ at all?
I don’t understand our obsession with naming a captain for an entire season or months out from the first game.
Why not pick your team on form for the coming week, and then name your captain. Yes, it will probably be the same player, if they’re the first name on the team sheet and are consistently in form…..
But there’s the rub…saying a player is going to be the captain and will therefore start every game this season is ridiculous and leads to selection bias.
You want your spot? Earn it. It’s not a given.
Agreed. One the first criterion for a captain is that he should be an automatic starting cfhoice.
Hmm
Brodie Retallick anyone?
I wonder if Savea can still holds his place in the ABs lineup, let alone being the ABs captain?
His role in the demise of Robertson will too count against him with Dave Renee !
This comment is a mindless repetition of two myths. Read the article, it’s informed, unlike this drivel.
Ardie Savea has AB’s captaincy experience but Dave Rennie decides who gets the job?!?..
Ditto
I’ve always felt that Ardie isn’t a great captain. Is there anyone else outside the usual suspects worth taking a punt on?
Codie Taylor, if he didn’t injure himself often.
I think it might be timely to look at what a captain of a top tier international rugby team might look like in 2027.
There are many leadership roles in a team.
The captain must be the person who can take on a proportion of these roles most effectively for the overall increase in teams performance and trajectory.
What are modern leadership roles?
1. Ill start with what I believe will change most.
Real time coaching. Look at the changes you see teams make at H/T and you can see how much potential there may be for live coaching. Team leaders who are expert in reading matches in real time need to relay tactical changes also in real time to each other and the tactical leader (who may not necessarily be the captain) in real time. The minds of the team members who need to implement a tactical change need to be as one so its a team change.
Is there a ‘special play’ to gain momentum change, snaffle a penalty
2. Other captaincy roles such as comms with referee, motivation, leading by example, emotional level leader (calm when needed), Discipline enforcer eg concede 7 pts and not 7 pts + yellow card. etc.
Role 1 is why coaches are always trying to get “messages” on. Erasmus is the major example of this. I would argue that role one is what we were not seeing with NZ in recent years.
NZ had this organically in the past in “finding a way” to win.
So Savea would fit the captaincy for the roles in 2. above.
But who are your tactical leader/s and are these men proficient in communicating to best effect for NZ?
Note for 1. If ANY player sees something that a team could beneficially change there must be a way for that person to get that message into the collective thinking. They shoould also be trained for this, you can’t have a person who could contribute staying silent dues to shyness/confidence etc.
I think Beauden did a lot of that stuff with the team (1) and Jordie is following suit probably the most
All Blacks captains are different - they need the Jagger Swagger
Ardie has it and has had it from day one
They love him in Christchurch now, although he is definitely a powerful figure in the squad.
If he’s not playing in July, hard to make him captain though.
Ardie is not captaincy material. The media sure loves ignoring the gluttony of times he’s lost his cool or made zero difference to the end result as captain. It's quite funny how they repeatedly claim Scott is not captain material, yet members of the team talk about what he brings as a leader fondly.
A real one-eyed narrative going on here. Personally, I’d prefer someone new, who’s neither of them.
Agreed. I’ve always felt that Ardie is far more valuable focusing on his game than trying to split his attention to captaincy too.
I don’t think he’s captaincy material. He’s a soldier, not a general.
Great question, it’s pretty clear the AB’s lacked leadership under Scooter, so a change is likely needed at captain but the big question mark is who is the guaranteed starter that will play significant time on the pitch?
If you think through those candidates that meet that criteria it’s;
Fabian Holland
Wallace Sititi
Jordie Barrett
Will Jordan
Richie Mounga (has enough on his plate to make the team)
Then there is a big compromise with playing mins;
Ardie Savea
Codie Taylor
Then you think through who is the best leader, captain and decision maker that is capable of leading the AB’s . . . . and it’s a much shorter list.
How does the job work for England PMCD?
Is Holland actually a guaranteed starter? Same with Sititi, who was in 2024 for the second part of the campaign but not last year.
When everyone was fit Holland wasn’t starting last year and was set to be outside the 23 against the Wallabies in the second test before Vaa’i pulled out late. It could still be Vaa’i S. Barrett with Tuipulotu on the bench.
Well written article!! As an English man and outsider to S. Hemisphere rugby it’s been an interesting six months
The first requirement for any captain must be automatic selection.
Savea is guaranteed of this .. whether at #7 or #8.
The next is that unquantifiable ingredient of ‘presence’. Again, Savea has this in abundance.
However, Savea also has lots of miles on the clock.
Will Dave Rennie look for a longer term alternative to lead his All Blacks into the 2031 World Cup?
Finally, there’s the issue of his public profile.
As this article rightly points out, Savea has polarised public opinion following Razor's sacking.
The ABs have numerous leaders - various Barratts, Taylor, Roigard, etc.
Is the primary role of the new captain one of PR?
Should they appoint someone who talks well and perhaps brings the naysayers back into the AB fold?
You’re limited the options there unknown!
On your last question I’d say the only guy at that level who could do that would be Sititi.
Is he? He is neither a 7 or a 8 actually. The AB’s try and fit him in for those rate individual moments of magic, and lose the collective of having a proper 7/8
The best captains should be able to run for president of their country after retirement. Statesmanlike.
That level of diplomacy and on the field leadership - not just being a hard grafter.
I don’t see that in Ardie. He’s a soldier. Not a general.
Distracting someone like Roigard with captaincy now would also be a mistake. He’s already carrying more than his fair share of the can. Especially with the dearth of X factor at first receiver.