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'Need to be addressed': Commentator's view on ABs mixed messaging

Assistant coach Scott Hansen, performance coach Nic Gill and lineout coach Bryn Evans look on during a New Zealand All Blacks training session at the Forsyth Barr Stadium on July 03, 2025 in Dunedin, New Zealand.

After 27 Tests and two years in charge of this All Blacks team, Scott Robertson and his coaching staff now have a coaching spot to fill, with Jason Holland leaving the setup after two years as the team’s “strike coach”.

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This comes after last year, former Blues head coach Leon MacDonald, left the coaching setup after what was reported as “differing views” with the rest of the coaches.

Tony Johnson, who has been commentating the end-of-year Northern Tour for Sky Sport, explains that he believes Holland was well-liked in the All Black camp and that there must be some differences in messaging in the coaching staff.

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“Yeah, well, one thing that I have heard is that he was very popular with the players. They like the guy, and some of them are a bit sad to see him go,” Johnson told Sport Nation Morning’s with Ian Smith.

“Now, the question that people are starting to ask now is questions are being asked about the coaching setup. How is it that the guy gets appointed to the job and then hands over, well, this is the perception that he’s been appointed as the head coach, and then hands over the coaching responsibility to someone else.

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“Just how effective are they communicating what they want from the players? What’s the connection like with the players? Because when things get out of hand, when something goes wrong and it leads to something else going wrong, and they’re not negotiating their way out of these tight corners or difficult situations without conceding points, that does ask questions of the on field leadership.

“But the messaging they’re getting, or how effective the messaging is getting, and if this team is to progress, then those things need to be addressed. Is there going to be some fresh blood, for example, coming into the coaching setup.”

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The experienced Sky Sport commentator explains that an interesting stat around the All Blacks is to do with their counter attacking efficiency, which has declined in 2025.

“I’ll give you one interesting stat, which to me, underlines that become quite conservative this group. Last year, the All Blacks scored 12 tries from counter attack. This year, they’ve only scored one and does that mean that they are just not taking risks anymore.

“Which has always been something that the All Backs have been able to take calculated risks and back their skill set because of the talent that we have.

“So there are definitely questions that will have to be addressed if this team is to achieve its potential, because I think the potential is definitely there.”

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Like Johnson discussed, the on-field leadership has been another talking point this year for the All Blacks, especially when Ardie Savea, a centurion in the jersey, takes over when Scott Barrett is injured.

After the Test match in Cardiff, Robertson said that Barrett’s knowledge of the game is “as good as I’ve ever come across”, and that he has full faith in his captain.

Johnson on Sport Nation questions the on-field leadership of the group, and compares them to the previous leaders of the All Blacks in previous years.

“Well, he made it clear when he first appointed him, that he was someone that, because of the background together of the Crusaders, that he could work with. But I just made the point that I think captaincy is a collective thing.

“Now you’ve got to have several leaders in the team and just again, begs the question, have they been effective in developing that leadership group? Because we all know what it was like in that All Black team that really dominated the world.

“Richie McCaw, who obviously was a great captain, but you had Keven Mealamu, Conrad Smith, and you had Dan Carter, and you had Kieran Read, and you had Sam Whitelock.

“Maybe it takes time to develop those sorts of leaders throughout the team, but I think that’s a big work on for the side. They have to do that because, yeah, the captain is the guy that, I guess the buck stops with him, but it needs to be a collective thing.”

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GM 13 days ago

I agree that there are clear indications that these coaches feel out of their depth at international level. One key indicator is the perseverance with BB, despite most of his contestable being anything but, and despite his inability to ignite the back-line - as an ex loosie, he gives big clues about not being a running threat by not squaring up before he passes, so the defence drifts straight on to his outsides. It’s as if the coaches feel BB knows more about test rugby than they do, so they defer to him. Another indicator was hanging on to Sam Cane and TJ last year. And persevering with players like Reece this year. Yes, experience is important, but the great truth about rugby is that if you do the wrong thing hard enough, it’s the right thing. We need to slip the shackles of BB’s fear and caution, we need the enthusiasm and belief of Roigard and Jordie and Tupaea and Fainga’nuku and Jordan and Clarke to go unfettered at the opposition.

I also agree about Jason Ryan and the scrum. Does the demise of our scrum coincide with Mike Cron not being available this year to mentor Ryan? Ryan needs to be honest about needing help, as he was with Bryn Evans and lineouts (though it was apparently Mike Cron who suggested to Ryan that he needed help there). This should be one of the top items in any review of this year’s performance, because the Boks proved again against Ireland (as they did in Wellington) that if you can’t stand up to their scrum, you’re never going to win.

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Nik 13 days ago

The key question for NZ is “has Scott Robertson's coaching regime improved any of the players?”. The simple answer is “No”. Eng, France and Ire now routinely go into matches against NZ with the credible belief that they will get a result. The fear factor has gone (was never there for Fra).

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cw 13 days ago

Key question for the end of year reviewers - does Robertson’s coaching team have the genuine respect of the players? Honest answers needed because what we are seeing is a team that does not have belief in what they are doing or being told. They are switching off when the pressure ramps up. Sure they may have a bit of a siege mentality brewing - Sititi’s overly defensive response to questions about performance showed that. But that is not enough to be the best in the world again. They need to have complete faith in their leadership and their systems. This can be contrasted with Argentina - vastly smaller rugby resource but they play with such passion and belief that they now worry all teams including the top four. Their Coach is the source of that belief - and the fact he was prepared to march down onto the field to literally fight for them spoke volumes.

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Nickers 13 days ago

They have more coaching roles than that to fill if they want get anywhere near the Nations Championship, avoid humiliation in South Africa, or get past the QFs at the World Cup.


Hansen is not the professor. He has never held a head coach role and is way out of his depth at international level. The longer this coaching team are in place the worse the team gets across all facets of the game.


Tamati Ellison has ended up as the defence coach. We have taken some hammerings this year, and we conceded 4 tries against a Welsh team who lost to Georgia not long ago.


MacDonald and Holland were responsible for years of mediocre performances as SR coaches. Notably their talented teams failed to fire regularly. Any surprises that the ABs stuttering attack now looks the way it does. Easily the worst attack in the ABs professional history, but maybe ever. Their ball in hand play is comparable with Japan or Georgia. It is just horrendously bad. An extremely outdated and predictable attacking structure that every remotely good team can defend very easily.


Jason Ryan was a revelation when he first came into the team, but our forwards are being regularly outplayed. Our scrum was a weapon last year, but South Africa and England are much stronger. I don’t know how much Ryan has to do with forwards selections but our back row gets outworked, outthought, and outplayed most weeks.


Razor should stay, because I don’t think they will replace him now. He should keep Ryan with a caveat around performance in the home leg of the NC, but every other coach involved should be dispatched with haste.


We can’t wait until we lose 0-4 to South Africa next year to make drastic changes.

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MikeM 13 days ago

I pretty much agree with your comments except for a couple of things. Firstly agree about Ryan; when he first came into the fold under Foster he improved the forwards in both mauling and scrummaging after taking over from Plumtree and Feek. Remember Feek was Ireland scrum coach prior to his All Black appointment and their scrum used to holdup well. So Ryan should stay.


However I am worried if Robertson has just handed everything over to Hansen as he clearly is not up to having a backline perform like they should. Hansen has to go and if Robertson is there just as a figure head I would be worried and so should the melons running NZR, as what's the point in having him? If this is the case then I would remove Robertson as well and bring in Joseph now…don't wait till losses start mounting up again next year.


While on the subject of people having to go, I hope BB has played his last game for the AB's, as he has no idea how to ignite a backline and that's a first five's job, as well as manage a team around the field.

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Tk 13 days ago

That stat of 1 try from counter attack is startling, that used to be a major facet of AB rugby. To me, that just underlines how dysfunctional the back line is, as majority of counter attack tries are scored by backs. Also, due to lack of test match 10 we are not playing and putting pressure on opposition in the right parts of the pitch.

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GodOfFriedChicken 13 days ago

It feels like this is a reflection of us trying to copy the more kick tennis heavy game that the Europeans play or the Springboks rather than backing ourselves to attack from anywhere like we used to. The team plays much slower rather than with pace. We slowed down with Foster too but this is another step back. I’m a fan of a good set piece but we should be developing that alongside our open field play rather than at the expense of it. Beauden and Damo are better 10s when they can play at pace rather than having to be hamstrung to game plans where they kick more than they need to.

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Theo H 13 days ago

It does appear that Hansen is acting as head coach and Robertson sits above him and runs the group culture of the team. Word is that both McDonald and now Holland both left because they have a different coaching philosophy than Hansen and Robertson. As the article says it's amazing that Robertson has abdicated the head coach role and given it to a guy who has never been a Super Rugby hc. Worse still the bloke speaks in riddles and you can clearly see how this impacts the play if the ABs, along with the conservative game plan. I can't really see this working out and the way things are going the ABs will be lucky to make it past the 1/4 final of the next RWC

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