It was Leinster’s crash test dummy experience with Ronan O’Gara’s La Rochelle that illustrated the beauty of big. For three straight years from 2021-23, Ireland’s long-time leading province got knocked about by a team who brought a baseball bat to a boxing match.
The reaction was slow enough. While Stuart Lancaster was presenting to World Rugby on the perils of a game going ‘super size’, his Leinster players were continuing to suffer by comparison.
The intriguing part was why they were so reluctant to get into the game themselves. After three years of being dosed by La Rochelle, along came Toulouse – a cut above – and dealt a few cards from the same deck. Yet Leinster were still recruiting medium-sized forwards instead of going for cruiser class.
Leinster lost in the Champions Cup three years in a row to La Rochelle, who had giants like Will Skelton at their disposal (Photo Pascal Guyot/ AFP via Getty Images)
It wasn’t as if Lancaster was banging on Leo Cullen’s door demanding more grunt to work with. Evidently both men were happy enough to maintain the same recruitment policy. Leinster could have gone large, but didn’t. If you were serious about this then it would have meant buying non-Ireland qualified players, which involves negotiation with the IRFU as well as the players concerned, so perhaps Cullen didn’t want to shake that tree too often. Whatever, in retrospect Lancaster would accept there was a lack of ruthlessness on his part at the time – a trait he says he has parked in the long-term car park.
The reality is that genetically we don’t breed brutes in this country. And because Ireland’s system is so reliant on the private schools, where the product is largely homogenous and Irish, there is a shortage of truly destructive and athletic options.
The implications for the national side, and Andy Farrell, have long been obvious. They were driven home in unique circumstances by South Africa’s slavish use of size. It was one of those meetings where everyone knew in advance how the world champions would approach it, but no-one budgeted for the crazy circumstances that helped it unfold. But while the house of cards went off script, the plot line was simple and straightforward.
This makes Farrell’s next move an item of great interest. Long term he has just 17 Tests to get his squad into a truly competitive position before their warm-up programme ahead of the World Cup in Australia in 2027. So with the Six Nations around the corner, this is where he has to show his love of big being beautiful.
If we’ve made the point that Ireland is not spoilt for giants then neither are we the land of the little people, despite what the fables tell you. So Farrell could open the Six Nations campaign in Paris with a back five that would register as the heaviest in Irish history: Joe McCarthy, Edwin Edogbo, Tadhg Beirne, Caelan Doris and Jack Conan.
Edogbo, 23, has played seven matches for Munster since his return in October after 22 months out with a torn Achilles (Photo Shauna Clinton/Sportsfile via Getty Images)
The least known is Munster’s Edogbo, whose progress has been dogged by injury but whose credentials as a top-quality grunt are widely accepted. There isn’t a tighthead prop around who doesn’t want to hear these honeyed words from the man immediately behind him: ‘Just keep your back straight and I’ll do the rest.’
Edogbo will never be applying for a pilot’s licence out of touch but he complements his presence at scrum and maul with a high nuisance value at the breakdown. If this back-five selection eliminates Ireland’s best openside, Josh van der Flier, then the modest compensation for the former World Player of the Year is that he has done nothing wrong. Nor will he be surprised by the move for Farrell evidently no longer rates him as indispensable.
The coach is reaching beyond the usual suspects and finding only players he already knows about, like Munster back-rowers Ruadhan Quinn and Brian Gleeson.
So if Edogbo’s arrival is something new, what has Farrell seen from Ireland’s provinces in this first half of the season to add extra size? Up front – nothing. Paddy McCarthy is still in the callow class for Test rugby and while he has done really well to make it almost a 50-50 call with Andrew Porter, that still doesn’t make him a nightmare to play against.
Instead Farrell’s notebook from the opening two rounds of European rugby, and round seven of the URC, was filled with more of the same: Munster are capable of playing good, tempo rugby, especially when faced with opposition as weak as the Ospreys; Ulster have no depth; Connacht are still haunted by following one step forward with two steps back; Leinster have a doctor’s note to see a consultant about their listlessness. In that lot you’d probably think Lancaster was the most traumatised coach after Connacht’s shellacking at Rodney Parade – greeted in that downbeat part of the circuit like a glorious new dawn – but Cullen is top of the Irish podium for coaches getting least enjoyment from their jobs.
Ulster’s 6ft 4in, 106kg centre Jude Postlethwaite could be included in Ireland’s Six Nations squad (Photo Ramsey Cardy/Sportsfile via Getty Images)
Of course this has a knock-on effect for Farrell. If he has no front-row beasts to unleash on the world then what does it look like behind the scrum? The coach is reaching beyond the usual suspects and finding only players he already knows about, like Munster back-rowers Ruadhan Quinn and Brian Gleeson. And he’s familiar enough by now with Ulster’s Jude Postlethwaite – enough to know he’s worth including in the Six Nations squad.
Postlethwaite looks like the best of the new crop, a serious ball-carrier and powerful tackler. Ulster used him at 13, outside Stu McCloskey, in their defeat by Leinster before Christmas, and he looked a good deal less comfortable than at inside centre.
That discomfort is common across the game here just now. Which is not the backdrop Farrell wanted as he goes looking for big men to do a big man’s job.
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Eric Elwood 89 days ago
1. Ireland has never as a rule been in the current period bullied outfield by the lacks of South Africa.
2. The scrum is a different matter and the process of addressing this will be accelerated by the exposure in the SA International at the Aviva. Scrum count is higher since the contestable kicks era has returning in full.
3. To get more "Non homogenous" players the Allied Irish League should be and is being used more. IRFU should actively promote centralized coaching of coaches to introduce and expand rugby into public schools.
4. Rucks now favour the defending team. High phase play is becoming exhausting for attacking teams. To avoid high phase play the two options are … eg England a lot of contestables with fast backrow forwards to pilfer the crumbs (or steaks) from the table against unstructured defense OR Eg Toulouse using an offloading game to attack against unstructured defensive.
5. The provinces have upped their game this season (even Connacht even though they still contrive to lose every close match). It is too early to judge Leinster: like last year they have used the early part of the season to hone the defence. Lets see how well the attack adapts in the new contestable environment.
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RoyceCoolidge 90 days ago
Funny to read an Irishman lamenting a lack of beef in his countrymen, when they have always claimed to be such strong people.
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Eric Elwood 89 days ago
You are deliberately or otherwise conflating different kinds of strenght. The strenght of Irish rugby in the professional era has always being guile and inventiveness not “Beef”. Guile may not be a strenght of yours I am surmising?
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Flankly 91 days ago
Brendan Fanning:
They were driven home in unique circumstances by South Africa’s slavish use of size.
Nathan Johns (Irish Times):
South Africa have plenty of big men, perhaps more so than most other countries. Crucially, though, they are the most inventive with how they use as many of them as possible.
Slavish or inventive? Or a slavish use of cliche?
SA has succeeded by out-coaching others, player size being only one dimension of what Rassie has leaned on. Others have been electric back play (cf. Sacha, Kolbe, Willemse et al) and technical excellence (eg scrummaging, contestable kicks).
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ED 90 days ago
He really has made this better than chess. Wonderful for our game is an understatement.
Watching England over 4 decades,,it was rare we had unity in a concept beyond on the pitch. when we did,unfallible trust etc super. The Prof somehow took the brake off the bus, and a continent jumped on,,no offence meant.
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TheNotoriousFig 91 days ago
I think there’s plenty of size on the provincial teams. Some guys just can’t stay fit, or didn’t take their chance or haven’t shown enough to get a chance yet.
The pack is where the issue is for me. Plenty of big quick guys who can play 12. Size is important but so is game smarts.
Best teams currently have big men who can either play or bring an intensity/mindset to the party.
That’s the bit we are missing. If we’re lacking raw athleticism or sheer bulk then we have to play smarter or harder than the opposition.
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ED 90 days ago
The Ryan ?
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tf 91 days ago
Not sure why Jack O’D has made the photo for article. Very good provincial player now in his 30’s who never played well in green is going to add what?
They really missed McCarty in the 2nd row. And emphasized their lack of depth there over the autumn. Both Edogbos need to improve to be real world class players.
Front 3 prospects don't look great but they don't need giants. Hefty Farmers missing a neck, but possesing an occasional side step have done very well. The current lot are too young to assess from leinster. Munster Ulster and Connacht haven't produced a front 3 player of note for a decade.
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Eric Elwood 89 days ago
I have seen Paddy McCarthy in the flesh a few times. In open play he is extremely destructive. He has massive strenght even at his young age and experience. I am sure he will improve to be a major force in the Irish scrum.
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1. Ireland has never as a rule been in the current period bullied outfield by the lacks of South Africa.
2. The scrum is a different matter and the process of addressing this will be accelerated by the exposure in the SA International at the Aviva. Scrum count is higher since the contestable kicks era has returning in full.
3. To get more "Non homogenous" players the Allied Irish League should be and is being used more. IRFU should actively promote centralized coaching of coaches to introduce and expand rugby into public schools.
4. Rucks now favour the defending team. High phase play is becoming exhausting for attacking teams. To avoid high phase play the two options are … eg England a lot of contestables with fast backrow forwards to pilfer the crumbs (or steaks) from the table against unstructured defense OR Eg Toulouse using an offloading game to attack against unstructured defensive.
5. The provinces have upped their game this season (even Connacht even though they still contrive to lose every close match). It is too early to judge Leinster: like last year they have used the early part of the season to hone the defence. Lets see how well the attack adapts in the new contestable environment.
Funny to read an Irishman lamenting a lack of beef in his countrymen, when they have always claimed to be such strong people.
You are deliberately or otherwise conflating different kinds of strenght. The strenght of Irish rugby in the professional era has always being guile and inventiveness not “Beef”. Guile may not be a strenght of yours I am surmising?
Brendan Fanning:
Nathan Johns (Irish Times):
Slavish or inventive? Or a slavish use of cliche?
SA has succeeded by out-coaching others, player size being only one dimension of what Rassie has leaned on. Others have been electric back play (cf. Sacha, Kolbe, Willemse et al) and technical excellence (eg scrummaging, contestable kicks).
He really has made this better than chess. Wonderful for our game is an understatement.
Watching England over 4 decades,,it was rare we had unity in a concept beyond on the pitch. when we did,unfallible trust etc super. The Prof somehow took the brake off the bus, and a continent jumped on,,no offence meant.
I think there’s plenty of size on the provincial teams. Some guys just can’t stay fit, or didn’t take their chance or haven’t shown enough to get a chance yet.
The pack is where the issue is for me. Plenty of big quick guys who can play 12. Size is important but so is game smarts.
Best teams currently have big men who can either play or bring an intensity/mindset to the party.
That’s the bit we are missing. If we’re lacking raw athleticism or sheer bulk then we have to play smarter or harder than the opposition.
The Ryan ?
Not sure why Jack O’D has made the photo for article. Very good provincial player now in his 30’s who never played well in green is going to add what?
They really missed McCarty in the 2nd row. And emphasized their lack of depth there over the autumn. Both Edogbos need to improve to be real world class players.
Front 3 prospects don't look great but they don't need giants. Hefty Farmers missing a neck, but possesing an occasional side step have done very well. The current lot are too young to assess from leinster. Munster Ulster and Connacht haven't produced a front 3 player of note for a decade.
I have seen Paddy McCarthy in the flesh a few times. In open play he is extremely destructive. He has massive strenght even at his young age and experience. I am sure he will improve to be a major force in the Irish scrum.