The ‘worldwide trawl’ for coaching talent has dwindled, and the contest for the top job in New Zealand rugby has become what it probably always was: a two-horse race between ex-Japan head coach Jamie Joseph and ex-Chiefs and Wallabies supremo Dave Rennie.
Joseph must be the front-runner given his recent success coaching the New Zealand A side which toured Europe concurrently with ‘Razor’ Robertson’s All Blacks. Where Robertson’s men faltered, Joseph’s cruised through a three-match tour with three resounding wins against a Barbarians side first up, followed by England A and finishing with a victory over Uruguay in the southwest of France.
One week before Robertson’s charges lost the full international against England at Twickenham, Joseph’s team were beating England A at the Rec in Bath 31-14. That as much as anything did for Razor and made up NZR chair David Kirk’s mind about the need for radical change.
Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie seem the two leading candidates for the All Blacks gig (Photos by Michael Bradley/Getty Images and Harry Trump/Getty Images)
Some players in New Zealand will be happy with the change, and Blues skipper Dalton Papali’i will probably count among their number. The hybrid back-rower has earned 37 caps in total and formed a deadly partnership with Ardie Savea under Ian Foster. But the flood of national recognition turned to a trickle before completely drying up under Robertson. With the ex-Crusaders head coach in charge, the 28-year-old only played 15 minutes off the bench in 2025, at a time when he should have been approaching the zenith of his playing career.
Papali’i’s recent comments to 1News implied a less-than-ringing endorsement in the well-publicised player review which finally torpedoed the good ship Robertson.
“I was there when ‘Shag’ [Steve Hansen] and ‘Fozzy’ [Ian Foster] were there holding the helm,” he said. “Seeing it change to Razor’s agenda, you could see there was a big difference.
“People spoke up and they had to have a review… I don’t really want to speak too much on that. What happened, happened.”
If popular opinion crowns men, Joseph would already be a king. It was he who rescued the Blues castaway and brought him back into fold, not only as his preferred number seven, but as a captain to boot.
“I really had a good relationship with Jamie Jo and I felt like I was back to my old self,” Papali’i continued. “I feel like I play better with the weight of being a leader. Going into the ABs XV, I got that role back again, the captaincy, and I took it with both hands.
“I enjoyed it and felt like I played well again. Everyone bought into the culture and it was a credit to Jamie Jo and the coaches. They set up the environment for everyone to be at their best and I loved it.”
Dalton Papali’i struggled for All Blacks game time under Scott Robertson (Photo by Hagen Hopkins/Getty Images)
The preference for ‘old school’ methodology on Joseph’s coaching menu is well-documented. The ex-Highlanders number 10 Lima Sopoaga recalls a time when after one unexpected pre-season loss, some of the backs were required to defend driving mauls from lineout run by a full-blown pack of South Island forwards. Even the gilt-edged ‘Nugget’, scrum-half Aaron Smith had to get his hands, and his shorts, dirty in the process. There were to be no draft dodgers.
“It went on for 15 minutes,” Sopaga told Nine Sport. “Imagine how well that went. It was honestly one of the worst days of my life. After he blew the whistle, I walked away and I just kept on walking. The field was massive. I walked for a kilometre down the road and I had tears in my eyes.”
Sopoaga went on to observe Joseph’s ability to “max out” the talent of the underdog players at his disposal, with Japan and the Highlanders alike. Innovation was the preserve of his long-time confederate Tony Brown, who has stated publicly he will honour his contract with the Springboks up until the 2027 World Cup.
“Those two men are like Shaq and Kobe, Batman and Robin,” Sopoaga enthused. “If he is to get the job, I’m sure Jamie being Jamie, he’s got a couple of tricks up his sleeve. If he can’t get Tony, he’ll have someone else. He’ll have A, B, C, D, E, and F all in the back of his mind.”
If Joseph gets the All Blacks gig, the real question mark will not be so much about his ability unify players, but whether he can find a partner in crime to supply the IP which keeps the Al Blacks ahead of the global game. O’Neal never functioned quite so fluently without Bryant, nor the Caped Crusader without his sidekick.
The first round of Super Rugby Pacific suggested, left to his own devices, he may be more of a good listener than a keynote speaker, following an existing trail west rather than pioneering it.
Why? The first two rounds of the Six Nations averaged 39 minutes of ball-in-play time, and the Highlanders-Crusaders game mirrored it exactly. There has been an average of 188 rucks in Europe’s premier international competition, and there were 184 in Dunedin. One round of play up north produced an average of 79 kicks per game, while the first match of SRP down south finished with 82. Joseph’s Highlanders launched a massive 44 of those at home, under a glass dome impervious to the fluctuations of the weather outside it.
If Joseph becomes coach of the national side, will he still be following trends set by the likes of France and England? After two rounds of the current Six Nations, both have kicked an average of 35 times per game for a total of over 1000 metres. Those are big kicking figures indeed, but the early evidence suggests the Highlanders are looking not only to match them, but surpass them.
On Sky Sport’s The Breakdown, ex-All Blacks Stephen Donald and Jeff Wilson were left shaking their heads ruefully.
“It’s just not New Zealand rugby,” Wilson remarked.
“We finished a whole season last year, at the end of the year, talking about kicking the ball away and turning possession over.
“And then, in the very first game we saw 80 kicks. That’s not New Zealand rugby. I’m sorry, keeping the ball in hand – you know, you can’t play with fear.
“Because for me, the number of times, the moment it broke down, [both] teams were going to a box kick in the attacking half, not even in the defensive half, the exit.
“That’s an attacking strategy. I just I don’t accept that’s in the best interest of our game, and given the skill-sets of our players.”
If Joseph is going to translate his methodology from provincial level to the Test match arena as head coach of New Zealand, there could be a bumpy media road ahead.
The good news is there are a few individuals who could easily supply his needs. On the Crusaders side, scrum-half Noah Hotham may already be the best box-kicking half-back in New Zealand. With Hotham launching the mortar ‘bombs’, the visitors had won back four of their contestable kicks, on both sides of the field, before play hit the half-hour mark. And their scrum-half knew exactly what to do with the turnover ball won.
In both instances Hotham plays the short side for all it is worth after the box kick reclaim is made. He catches the Highlanders backfield in the middle of a regroup in the first clip and if his kick ahead stays infield, there will be an almost certain score in the second.
On the other side of the field, Timoci Tavatavanawai has exactly the kind of skill-set which will thrive in the brave new box-kicking world.
‘Big Jim’, as he is known to his friends, is chasing from one spot inside the edge chaser in both clips. He started life as a power wing before moving in to first five-eighth. The big body gives him rock-like immovability over the tackle ball and the winger’s aerial instincts allow him to catch it on the reclaim. It is rare and valuable combination.
Add those abilities to the following break and offload and you have a Joseph gem on your hands.
It looks increasingly likely Joseph will be the man to succeed Robertson in NZR’s brave new rugby world south of the equator. If he is appointed to the toughest gig on planet rugby, he will need a man to fill the boots of Brown alongside him. Could that man be Scott Hansen, who coached Japan as his main assistant between 2019 and 2022? Can he really roleplay Robin to Joseph’s Batman? As the anti-hero Harvey Dent once put it in The Dark Knight, “You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”
When I look at the French backs yesterday, I think the All Blacks should take inspiration from them. It’s so fast, so creative. We have wingers who play at centre in NPC — Narawa in particular. He could be a very interesting option at outside centre. Physically, he’s strong and he’s a good defender. We’re seeing more and more teams playing with very, very fast outside centres.
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unknown 39 days ago
I think comparing NZ15 V England B to the A game is a massive mistake. And quoting Papaili as 1 reason to sack a coach is pretty ordinary. Papaili is not really rated outside Ald. Do you think he is better than the guys they picked. He certainly gets the highlights in between play with tight shors and wing his arms.
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JD Kiwi 41 days ago
I've made it clear throughout that I'm comparing the 2020s graduates with those who came after the Whitelock Retallick generation.
Surely it's obvious that the most relevant cohort(s) to compare to is(are) the most recent? You can't expect the same level of success as when we won the World Under 20s every year.
If South Africa leaving SR was so disastrous for our forward play the quality of the forwards graduating to the national team would have plummeted. If anything the opposite has happened.
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NB 41 days ago
We are comparing a previous generation of forwards with the current lot, most of whom have never experienced SA in Super Rugby, are we not?
You are claiming that the current NZ forwards are ‘far better’ than those previous generations despite not having that exposure, I am saying they are not.
SA first joined SR in 1996 so we do not need to split hairs.
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JD Kiwi 41 days ago
Nick, none of those debuted in Super Rugby 2013 - 2019!
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NB 41 days ago
I believe CD might get involved with the 8-9 with Geoff and Brett?? Not sure, BM would know more…
But yes non-payment was a problem when I left, sometimes they fell weeks or months behind, even on a good day!
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NB 41 days ago
Everyone else debuted in SR after the Saffers left - de Groot, Williams, Newell, Vaa’i, Holland, Parker, Finau, Sititi, Lakai. It's a far better generation than those that debuted 2013-2019, when South Africa was still in.
This would be the source of our disagreement then. Just look at the 7’s Richie McCaw kept out of the ABs. Marty Holah, Adam Thomson, Mark Todd, Chris Masoe, Danny Braid etc. There are some good uns around now but nothing on that scale.
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JD Kiwi 42 days ago
I'm talking about the pack as a whole. When would you expect forwards to be around their peak, about 29-33? I.e.the generation after Brodie. They should be the core of the pack, but it's really only Ardie and Scooter (Lomax came through in Australia and Taylor is the same year as Brodie. Of the second string it's probably Paddy and Samisoni, maybe Jacobson.
Everyone else debuted in SR after the Saffers left - de Groot, Williams, Newell, Vaa’i, Holland, Parker, Finau, Sititi, Lakai. It's a far better generation than those that debuted 2013-2019, when South Africa was still in.
That doesn't mean SR is better for forward play now, but it's certainly not stopped us from developing lots of high quality forwards.
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JD Kiwi 42 days ago
Huh?
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GrahamVF 42 days ago
Geez mate - I’d like to borrow you for an argument against my wife - jou just don’t give up even when you are arguing against yourself.
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NB 42 days ago
When I think of the Q ‘who came after Brodie & Sam?’ I guess it would be Scott Barrett, Paddy Tuipulotu and more latterly Tupou Vaai.
Barrett & Vaai was the best partnership since they retired proper but hardly on the same level [yet].
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NB 42 days ago
Yes I’ve had my eye on IWL for a while… tho I recognize what you say about the discipline issues. But he does have the size and physical presence.
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Ed the Duck 42 days ago
“the Wallabies,ABs and Scots all say the team they most want to beat is England.”
You can add Ireland, wales and France to that list too. Difficult to understand the benefit of pre tournament proclamations from SB about Grand Slam deciders in Paris.
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JD Kiwi 42 days ago
Wasn't disagreeing Nick, I've talked about the folly of expansion many times, including this article.
Just pointed out that selection from overseas further diluted Australia's teams and reduced cohesion.
12 wins on the bounce justified their confidence Fran. They have been playing some good footy. Somebody has to be favourite after all. and favourites are allowed to trip over once in a while. They could still finish with four wins if they recover well.
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Rugby 101 - Ed Pye 42 days ago
Ha, classic. I hope you'll be okay
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SC 43 days ago
Isaiah Walker-Leawere at Hurricanes is the third best tight lock in NZ. Very good ball carrying lock and a nasty streak. He has been an All Black XV lock in the past (and was selected in 2025 but injured and replaced by James Hannah).
Rumours are there are concerned about his discipline as he does take penalties. But if Barrett or Tuipuloto were injured (and both frequently were last season). Leawere is the best like for like replacement. I’m hoping he is selected for SA Tour.
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I feel like it will be Rennie. We’ll see…
When I look at the French backs yesterday, I think the All Blacks should take inspiration from them. It’s so fast, so creative. We have wingers who play at centre in NPC — Narawa in particular. He could be a very interesting option at outside centre. Physically, he’s strong and he’s a good defender. We’re seeing more and more teams playing with very, very fast outside centres.
I think comparing NZ15 V England B to the A game is a massive mistake. And quoting Papaili as 1 reason to sack a coach is pretty ordinary. Papaili is not really rated outside Ald. Do you think he is better than the guys they picked. He certainly gets the highlights in between play with tight shors and wing his arms.
I've made it clear throughout that I'm comparing the 2020s graduates with those who came after the Whitelock Retallick generation.
Surely it's obvious that the most relevant cohort(s) to compare to is(are) the most recent? You can't expect the same level of success as when we won the World Under 20s every year.
If South Africa leaving SR was so disastrous for our forward play the quality of the forwards graduating to the national team would have plummeted. If anything the opposite has happened.
We are comparing a previous generation of forwards with the current lot, most of whom have never experienced SA in Super Rugby, are we not?
You are claiming that the current NZ forwards are ‘far better’ than those previous generations despite not having that exposure, I am saying they are not.
SA first joined SR in 1996 so we do not need to split hairs.
Nick, none of those debuted in Super Rugby 2013 - 2019!
I believe CD might get involved with the 8-9 with Geoff and Brett?? Not sure, BM would know more…
But yes non-payment was a problem when I left, sometimes they fell weeks or months behind, even on a good day!
This would be the source of our disagreement then. Just look at the 7’s Richie McCaw kept out of the ABs. Marty Holah, Adam Thomson, Mark Todd, Chris Masoe, Danny Braid etc. There are some good uns around now but nothing on that scale.
I'm talking about the pack as a whole. When would you expect forwards to be around their peak, about 29-33? I.e.the generation after Brodie. They should be the core of the pack, but it's really only Ardie and Scooter (Lomax came through in Australia and Taylor is the same year as Brodie. Of the second string it's probably Paddy and Samisoni, maybe Jacobson.
Everyone else debuted in SR after the Saffers left - de Groot, Williams, Newell, Vaa’i, Holland, Parker, Finau, Sititi, Lakai. It's a far better generation than those that debuted 2013-2019, when South Africa was still in.
That doesn't mean SR is better for forward play now, but it's certainly not stopped us from developing lots of high quality forwards.
Huh?
Geez mate - I’d like to borrow you for an argument against my wife - jou just don’t give up even when you are arguing against yourself.
When I think of the Q ‘who came after Brodie & Sam?’ I guess it would be Scott Barrett, Paddy Tuipulotu and more latterly Tupou Vaai.
Barrett & Vaai was the best partnership since they retired proper but hardly on the same level [yet].
Yes I’ve had my eye on IWL for a while… tho I recognize what you say about the discipline issues. But he does have the size and physical presence.
“the Wallabies,ABs and Scots all say the team they most want to beat is England.”
You can add Ireland, wales and France to that list too. Difficult to understand the benefit of pre tournament proclamations from SB about Grand Slam deciders in Paris.
Wasn't disagreeing Nick, I've talked about the folly of expansion many times, including this article.
Just pointed out that selection from overseas further diluted Australia's teams and reduced cohesion.
https://www.theroar.com.au/2023/07/27/golden-generations-how-australian-rugby-rose-from-obscurity-to-greatness-then-killed-green-and-golden-goose/
12 wins on the bounce justified their confidence Fran. They have been playing some good footy. Somebody has to be favourite after all. and favourites are allowed to trip over once in a while. They could still finish with four wins if they recover well.
Ha, classic. I hope you'll be okay
Isaiah Walker-Leawere at Hurricanes is the third best tight lock in NZ. Very good ball carrying lock and a nasty streak. He has been an All Black XV lock in the past (and was selected in 2025 but injured and replaced by James Hannah).
Rumours are there are concerned about his discipline as he does take penalties. But if Barrett or Tuipuloto were injured (and both frequently were last season). Leawere is the best like for like replacement. I’m hoping he is selected for SA Tour.