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LONG READ Have France made New Zealand's forthright pundits come over all sheepish?

Have France made New Zealand's forthright pundits come over all sheepish?
8 months ago

No prizes for guessing who is the most sheepish man in New Zealand right now. Justin Marshall must be regretting his rant last week when he called France “disrespectful” for sending a squad stripped of many of its established players.

The team of Gallic no-hopers ran the All Blacks mighty close in Dunedin on Saturday, losing 31-27, and in the process silencing their Kiwi critics who had rubbished their reputations in the lead-up to the Test.

The All Blacks forwards coach Jason Ryan admitted his boys had been pushed to the wire by the French. “Even though there was no mud out there, we just found a way,” he reflected. “There was a lot of blood in the shed. There were some guys with cut eyes, and they were sore this morning.”

Marshall had made his comments about the composition of the French squad on a TV programme where one suspects the pundits are encouraged to be provocative.

“To be honest, I’m really disappointed,” fumed the former All Black scrum-half. “This is a side that has a very experience and then at the end of the day there’s 49% of the players have got no caps at all. So it’s a development team with a few senior players involved.”

Marshall added it’s “complete BS the way they’re treating this tour, the way the French always seem to have come up with excuses to not bring their top players”.

Another former All Black great, Jeff Wilson, echoed Marshall’s complaint, saying: “We know their best players aren’t here, they know their best players aren’t here… the part I’m disappointed about is if they genuinely want to win a World Cup, at some point, you want to give yourself the best opportunity to do that, you have to take on the top teams away from home.”

Scott Robertson might be tempted to ask some former All Blacks to button it between now and the second Test in case they give the tourists any more motivation.

Every word and every insult fired at the French was read and digested. Perhaps the Kiwis don’t know that Emilien Gailleton is half-English.

Asked if he had read the pre-match bad-mouthing, Gailleton said he had. “It hurts your pride to hear things like that in the media. So it’s true that we talked about it. We told ourselves not to let it get to us. On the contrary, we had to turn it into motivation and give ourselves energy.”

Speaking to the French television immediately after the final whistle, Mickael Guillard said “the local media doesn’t respect the 42 players here in New Zealand. All we get is ridicule. So we were eager to put in a big performance and show even if not all the best players are here, the ones who are have the ability to compete.”

Why aren’t the “best players” here? Some facts Marshall and co should take into account. Of the XV that started France’s first Six Nations match this year against Wales, six are injured: Antoine Dupont, Romain Ntamack, Peato Mauvaka, Uini Atonio, Louis Bielle-Biarrey and Alexandre Roumat.

Four others played in last weekend’s Top 14 final between Toulouse and Bordeaux. It’s true Blair Kinghorn, who was on the winning Toulouse side, appeared for the Lions on Saturday, but a run-out against an under-strength NSW Waratahs is not the same as a Test match. Had the Lions been playing the Wallabies in the first Test on Saturday it is highly unlikely Kinghorn would have been picked.

Three of the Six Nations XV – Grégory Alldritt, Paul Boudehent and Jean-Baptiste – were left at home.

Two are in New Zealand and one of those, Theo Attissogbe, played on Saturday. The other is Toulouse centre Pierre-Louis Barassi, who is likely to feature in the second Test in Wellington.

Barassi was one of five players from the Top 14 final who arrived in New Zealand last Wednesday. The others are Pierre Bochaton, Joshua Brennan, Bastien Vergnes-Taillefer and Nicolas Depoortère.

Depoortère, the powerful Bordeaux centre, made his Test debut in the 2024 Six Nations and would have more than two caps to his name but for a broken cheekbone that sidelined him for much of this season.

The comments of Marshall and Wilson were all the more misjudged considering a fortnight ago this young French team beat England at Twickenham. The hosts fielded a XV that contained 10 of the team which hammered the Pumas 35-12 in Argentina on Saturday. Yet they were beaten by France.

It was a result that underlined the strength in depth in French rugby. Frankly, on current form Alldritt will struggle to win back his place in the starting line-up and the same goes for Boudehent and Ntamack.

Wilson can be sure France “genuinely” want to win the 2027 World Cup, which is why this tour (including the victory over England) is proving so illuminating for Fabien Galthie. The narrow defeat in Dunedin taught him much.

Twenty-year-old Attissogbe was outstanding. His two starts in the Six Nations were on the wing but against England and New Zealand he lined-up at full-back, and was impressive in attack and defence. Next season Galthie might want to keep Attissogbe at full-back and move Thomas Ramos to fly-half. Ntamack is increasingly injury-prone and Matthieu Jalibert is cursed by inconsistency.

The performance of the back-row of Alexandre Fischer, Mickaël Guillard and Killian Tixeront will also have delighted Galthie. France have some high-quality loose forwards but they are warriors of a certain age carrying many scars of battle. Charles Ollivion (who ruptured his knee ligaments in January) and Francois Cros are in their 30s, and Anthony Jelonch has missed most of the last two years after surgery on both knees.

Fischer was making his debut against the All Blacks and Tixeront was winning his second cap but they played liked seasoned internationals, unfazed by the ferocity of the occasion. Fischer put in 20 tackles, won two turnovers and made eight carries. The 24-year-old Guillard, in his 11th Test, was immense going forward, using his 122kg to drive over the gain line.

There’s a reason why the Top 14 is the world’s premier domestic league and that is because in physicality and intensity it is the closest to Test match rugby.

One of Marshall’s old adversaries from his playing days, Richard Dourthe, was asked what he thought of his remarks. “I’d like to say a quick hello to Justin Marshall because I think the All Blacks didn’t respect us,” said Dourthe. “It’s ridiculous to say we don’t respect New Zealand when you look at our championship.”

Perhaps Marshall should tune into the Top 14 more often.

Comments

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Koro Teeps 252 days ago

Despite the strength of the Top 14, France have not won a single RWC, yet they have 500 000 more registered players than NZ. To consistently be the best, you need to play your best 23 as often as possible, something the French are incapable of doing when their domestic comp overlaps the June/July test schedule. You don't need 3rd and 4th tier depth to win test matches, you need your to field your best players and develop combinations. New players excel when they are blooded in the top side. I find it incredible that SA, AUS and NZ have won 9 of the 10 RWCs between them, despite the unlimited, undisputed wealth, resources and power of NH rugby.

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CG 255 days ago

Justin is a battleship mouth, tug boat brain guy, so let’s not worry too much about his opinion

The first test was entertaining and the TMO kiboshed three tries

AB and French fans were happy

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Rugby 101 - Ed Pye 257 days ago

So how does the 30 point margin in the 2nd test sit?

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Mitch 257 days ago

No.

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JB 260 days ago

All the journalists have done Justin Marshall a disservice here. He made it clear, he doesn't disrespect the French coach and players. He understands the problem regarding player workload. He is calling out the structural problem with French rugby, in which the international window is not respected.

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ST 260 days ago

Couldn’t agree more with the article. As a Kiwi living in France, I’ve been sending warnings back to my homeland for sometime about the depth of French rugby. Sadly, Justin Marshall and Jeff Wilson, both fine players in their day, are very poor commentators on the game today and it’s a shame that the media takes so much notice of them. I hope the French (and others) realise that Marshall and Wilson do not represent the thinking and beating heart of NZ Rugby and its supporters. Allez Les Bleus, but let the All Blacks prevail !

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PickOllieMathisYeowRazorYouCoward 260 days ago

The writer has missed Marshall’s point completely.

It has nothing to do with how competitive the team they send is.

The international game is meant to be the pinnacle of rugby every time it is played. France do not structure their domestic competition for them to have their best team available everytime.

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J V 260 days ago

I agree with you. I’m a French fan, I discovered rugby late, mostly by watching the national team. The test matches are what matter to me, but this feeling isn’t shared among the whole rugby community here : you’ll find some club rugby fanatics who care more about the success of Toulouse or Toulon than the national team. So that’s already one thing which doesn’t help steering things toward prioritizing the test matches.

And a totally different point is : re-structuring your national championship is very hard and it’s very risky. England is a rich country with a very large fanbase, and still they couldn’t avoid the loss of 3 of their elite teams ; the changes that could have helped didn’t happen. My guess is that the French clubs will stick to the “If it’s not broken, don’t fix it” mindset, because from their point of view, that’s what is right. Am I happy about it ? No. Is it as tragic for rugby as some editorialists say it is ? Probably not.

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Hammer Head 260 days ago

You are correct. It’s a pity this series isn’t the pinnacle of the best France vs the best NZ. Can’t argue that.

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IkeaBoy 260 days ago

Agreed and they’ve zero incentive to change their stance.

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Wiseguy 260 days ago

They're playing for the Dave Gallagher trophy. If you don't know who that is google him. We didn't send our B team in 1914. So yeah it's about respect.

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Wiseguy 260 days ago

And it's not about Galthie and the players that travelled. It’s the French union and the clubs. Why not say “hey guys our players are a bit tired so we’re sending a development squad”. Then remove test status and both sides can play whatever players they want. This same French squad played England 2 weeks ago in a non test.

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MC 261 days ago

Well despite respect having nothing to do with it, rather player safety from over playing, you Kiwis should know that the second test team is a lot better than last week. Two international centres. Two excellent wings and a classy fast full back who’s not scared of high balls. A decent international 9 and a C team 10. The forwards are much more aligned for mobility and hand skills including the ruck. Bench is massive.

So yeah you might win, you might not.

But don’t think it’s a bad team.

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LjA 259 days ago

Its fine its a great idea really. In the Autumn we are going to let the All Blacks have a nice break and we are sending a team made up from our Provincial competition to Twickenham. We want to give them a run onto the “Home of Rugby” and get a bit of experience. For depth for NZ Rugby. Not that we need depth, as we just don’t care about International Rugby anyway, but hey, they can still play well, just not at the All Blacks level.

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NB 259 days ago

You Kiwis should know that the second test team is a lot better than last week.

Oh well. Another nonsensical French theory goes BANG!

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GrahamVF 260 days ago

Rugby is a game built on respect for the opposition, respect for the game officials, respect for your team mates and respect for all rugby players an other rugby lovers. After reading the posts from French supporters threatening Springbok players who reside in France post the World Cup quarter final humiliation Paris I came to realise that a huge part of people who support French rugby have absolutely idea of what the game is about.

It probably escapes them completely that Rugby’s theme song is “The World in Union”, and they probably have no idea about what that means. And the respect that is the essence of rugby includes pre game and post game respect. The reason why proper rugby players cherish the game is because it is so different to any other game in the world in one respect, respect. It’s so different from from soccer. Rugby violence stays on the field and is the subject of strictly policed laws which command respect from the players.

If you ever attended the Chris Burger’s Players’ Fund fund raising functions you would understand the respect rugby players of all levels of playing skill and from all over the world have for each other. Just to have played and loved the game commands respect from everyone else who loves the game. So yes, respect has everything to do with the ethos of rugby, but I do not expect you to understand that.

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Wiseguy 260 days ago

Look up. The point has gone over your head.

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DC 261 days ago

notice marshall wasnt on the break down last sunday might have been eating his words instead

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Over the sideline 259 days ago

He isn’t a usual breakdown person.

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IkeaBoy 260 days ago

He had a break down of his own…

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J Marc 261 days ago

When Justin Marshall will see the french side for Wellington, he will be very happy…

He should thanks Galthie for giving him such subjects for complaining, which, I think ,is the big part of his job. Like said this article :” pundits are encourager to be provocative “…

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LjA 258 days ago

We are all insulted

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Ed the Duck 261 days ago

Has Nick Bishop read this yet…??? 😂

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MDL 261 days ago

🤣🤣🤣

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