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'Shell shock...hard to take': The USA reaction to record drubbing in Scotland loss

By Bryn Palmer at Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh
Former Scottish Olympic Cyclist Jack Carlin presents the match ball to Referee Damian Schneider prior to the Quilter Nations Series 2025 match between Scotland and USA at Scottish Gas Murrayfield on November 01, 2025 in Edinburgh, Scotland. (Photo by Ian MacNicol/Getty Images)

United States coach Scott Lawrence admitted his side were “shell-shocked” by Scotland’s intensity as they tumbled to one of the worst defeats in their Test history at Murrayfield on Saturday.

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The Eagles have twice conceded a century of points – a record 106-8 thumping by England at Twickenham in August 1999, plus a 104-14 home hammering by New Zealand in Washington in 2021.

It was only seven years ago the USA beat Scotland – the only time in six previous meetings – when Gregor Townsend’s men succumbed 30-29 in Houston on the second summer tour of the head coach’s tenure.

In July 2024 Scotland racked up a 42-7 win in stifling heat in Washington, but any semblance of a competitive contest swiftly disappeared on Saturday once Scotland scored their first try in the fifth minute.

Two more followed in quick succession, seven in all by half-time, with the hosts scoring six more after the break including four in the final 10 minutes of an 85-0 rout, Scotland’s biggest ever win at Murrayfield and their third biggest Test victory overall.

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“You don’t go in thinking you’re going to be 85 points on the other side of it, you know,” said Lawrence. “I think we knew that where we are as a developing team, that the last 10 to 15 minutes of the game are always going to be difficult.

“I think the first 15 minutes probably told the story; it gave Scotland a lot of confidence, probably. It was a little bit of a shell-shock for our guys on the occasion at Murrayfield, and then they’re just trying to chase the game after that.

“I think you have to go through these experiences. They’re hard to take, but you have to take them on the chin and learn from them.

“When you get beat 85-0, it is easy to say that everything went wrong, but there were some things in the game which were very clear. Scotland were clinical in exploiting a couple of areas, they exploited them a number of times, so there are some common themes we can work on to shore up going forward.”

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Ten of the USA’s match-day 23 are currently ‘unattached’ and looking for new clubs after the recent collapse of three Major League Rugby teams, with the Houston Sabercats announcing their withdrawal in September, following the earlier loss of Miami Sharks and NOLA Gold.

With two California teams, based in Los Angeles and San Diego, merging to create a new franchise, the Californian Legion, the MLR has been reduced from 11 teams to just seven.

But after missing out on the 2023 Rugby World Cup, the 2031 hosts did secure qualification for RWC2027 seven weeks ago by beating Samoa 29-13 in a fifth-place play-off in the Pacific Nations Cup, and Lawrence rejected the notion his side were overawed by playing at Murrayfield.

“We didn’t get that sense from the players throughout the week,” he said. “If we look at the reality of it, it’s been September 14th [against Samoa] since our guys have been in a competitive environment and playing.

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“Professionally, you go play Scotland with 13 Glasgow players [in their 23] that are in the middle of their season, lots of cohesion, they’re battle-hardened. It was always going to be difficult in terms of the pace of the game for us, but I think it’s just where we are right now. That doesn’t mean that we’re saying we would have beaten Scotland if we got their best day and our best day. Scotland is ahead of us at the moment, but we feel like had we been together a little bit more, I think it would have been a different margin today.”

The immediate focus for Lawrence and his players was a flight to Georgia, via Istanbul in Turkey, ahead of taking on Richard Cockerill’s Lelos in Batumi next Saturday, before completing their November programme with a Test in Romania the following week.

With those matches inside the official Test window, the Eagles will be able to call upon the likes of France-based props David Ainu’u (Toulouse) and Jack Iscaro (Stade Français) and back-rower Nafi Ma’afu (Montauban), plus Leicester prop Tonga Kofe, as well as former Scotland wing Rufus McLean, who was left out of the Murrayfield fixture.

“It’s important that we perform in the last two games in the November series, from a rankings perspective, and then we’ll start to roll into our 2027 planning from there,” added Lawrence.

Asked how difficult it would be to lift the side after their Murrayfield mauling, USA captain Jason Damn said the new additions to the group would lift morale.

“Picking up is only if you fall down,” he said. “Obviously, that’s a big loss, but when you approach things with the same mindset, whether you win or lose, you don’t want to get too high or too low. Obviously, there was a lot of emotion at the end of that Samoa win, and a lot of emotion here. We’re just trying to find the fellas, bring them together, and just keep focusing on what we need to, come in tight and stand together. Don’t let the highs get too high and the lows get too low, and you don’t find those up and downs affect you as much as maybe people think they should.

“There’s always an injection of energy when new guys come in – it’s like all of our mates coming back together. Any 23 we put out there, I back us all, and we’re going to push whoever we can as hard as we can.”

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T I 31 days ago

“It gave Scotland a lot of confidence.” With all due respect, Mr. Lawrence, I don’t think that Scotland needed any confidence boost against your team. They knew, they were going to win. It was about the manner of the win.

Speaking of which, the Eagles let themselves down defensively in the opening quarter, and the rest of the match was a consequence of that. Leaking more than a point per minute, they were in the “must score mode” ever since, and that’s basically an open invitation for players like Dobie, Graham, or van der Merwe, or for an excellent counter-attacking team like Scotland.

The fact of the matter is, that the Eagles have regressed within the last decade. They used to be in the upper half of Tier 2, beating other Tier 2 teams. Nowadays they are perfectly capable of losing to Tier 3 teams.

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AlectheAggie 41 days ago

The US needs a new coach. Mr Lawrence is a nice man, but he is out of his depth in coaching and selecting players.

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LE 41 days ago

While Major League Rugby in USA is obviously good for the sport in America long term the fact that over 90% of their squad are currently playing a lower tier domestic competition is impacting their national team performance for sure

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JW 40 days ago

Are you referring to MLR? I wouldn’t say its too low, I think they are trying to improve it by lowering it further and providing more opportunities to US eligible players, which is supposed to improve the Eagles.


I doubt top players are being held back by being required to play locally, like NZ does.

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TheNotoriousFig 41 days ago

Hard road ahead for US Rugby. The potential is always there in terms of possible playing numbers. It’s clearly a struggle for oxygen in the pro game - so where are the best players going to learn?


I think the World Cup is going to be a struggle. Autumn here is college football, NFL, NBA and playoff baseball. Hard to market any new supporters with all that happening.

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JW 40 days ago

It really needs to promote it’s amateurism doesn’t it. I don’t think it really takes a lot of ‘professionlism’ to give it career opportunities, and like you say, with the numbers on their side if feel something very non professional would work. If you know what I mean.

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Jackal 41 days ago

The world cup scheduled in the States is going to be an utter farce and in no way good for the game. World Rugby should give themselves an uppercut for every agreeing to this shocker and will think twice about ever giving the pinnacle event to a team outside the big nations

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JW 41 days ago

Whys that.

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MT 41 days ago

Hard to think how a gulf so great between to teams qualified for the World Cup, in any way enhances the games standing and competitiveness in a globsl sense. The game in the US is in turmoil, eligible players cant commit to tier 2 nations because of a lack of funding, or contract commitmemts, (fair enough. Everyone needs to make a living and rugbys a short career) and the gulf in regional competitions is like a chasm in many emerging nations in comparision to the more established rugby nations. Nobody wants to see scores like this in international rugby. Completely Pointless..

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JW 41 days ago

All t2 nations struggle to get their players. Weve hadn’t them playing in the NPC instead for heavens sake.


Certainly certain nations would be favoured by Super Rugby/NPC, possibly JRLO having more power to help secure contracts instead of them having to be trapped in a NH schedule.

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gb 41 days ago

The gulf is big because World Rugby expanded the number of teams that qualify to 24 for RWC 2027 from 20 at RWC 2023. If you want grow the game, its the right decision, however, there are going to be some huge blow outs , and some games that will have zero appeal. The gulf between Tier 1 and Tier 2 is bigger than ever, with no signs of it closing, and its not all to do with funding. I would love Spain, Portugal, Uruguay close the gap and be competitive but I don’t see if happening anytime soon.

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