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'How they have done it for years and years': Ex-All Black captain Read breaks down Springbok scrum

Damian De Allende of South Africa argues with Aaron Smith, Kieran Read, and Dane Coles of New Zealand during the Rugby World Cup 2019 Group B game between New Zealand and South Africa at International Stadium Yokohama on September 21, 2019 in Yokohama, Kanagawa, Japan. (Photo by Craig Mercer/MB Media/Getty Images)
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Ex-All Black captain Kieran Read has offered a detailed breakdown of the Springboks scrum which he claims has scrummed on an angle for “years and years”.

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The former No.8 played South Africa 22 times over his international career, winning 16 times, with first hand knowledge of how the Springboks operate their scrum.

His last game against the Springboks was the 2019 Rugby World Cup pool game, won 23-13 by New Zealand, which featured a number of the current day forwards for South Africa.

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Read explained that the tendency of South Africa’s scrum has always been to scrum left and their tactic of isolating the tighthead for a “one-on-one” contest with the powerful Ox Nche.

“Ox is most dominant, and looseheads are always most dominant,” Read said on The Good, The Bad & The Rugby ANZ podcast.

“It’s always going to look like it’s going that way [left].

“But South Africa’s always got a very clever way of shearing in with their tighthead, which allows them to move basically that way, left, and then around you, and I’m sure the All Blacks were expecting it.

“They didn’t deal with it in that first Test, but this morning [in the second Test] they dealt with it.

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“You get our hooker to do the right job on on their tighthead, and it actually helps our tighthead to square scrums straight. You could look at every scrum and say there’s things going on.

“I think from a New Zealand point of view, we’re pretty straight scrummers. South Africans they scrum their own way, and I think that’s slightly on an angle. Purely, that’s how they have done it for years and years. And they might think they’re going straight, but it’s not illegal what they do potentially, because you can’t really pick it up, but the outcome, maybe, at the end of it.”

Asked for a detail explanation of the Springboks tactics, Read explained that they want to “de-power” the opposition hooker.

He said that the All Blacks did their homework and found a way to negate that in the second Test.

“They’re pushing across to the left,” he said.

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“So their tighthead and their hooker pushing across to the left. So what they’re trying to do is basically de-power our hooker, who’s who’s kind of the connection point between our scrum and basically trying to make sure he can’t push, so they’re squeezing him.

“And by going there [at the hooker], our tighthead is kind of left a little bit hung out to dry, if they get that right, you got a bloke like Ox who can do what he does.

“It’s a tactic that has been used. I think they are still using that, and you got to say from the All Blacks point of view, they’ve reviewed last week and and did a pretty good job, and even got a little bit of reward at some stages on their own ball.”

Referee Angus Gardner was strict policing the mark which led to a number of discussions and resets with the Springboks front row.

In the 42nd minute Ox Nche began playing head games with All Blacks tighthead Tyrel Lomax, which ultimately led to Nche being pinged for a free kick New Zealand’s way.

Read said it would have been frustrating to the average viewer but fascinating to watch with an understanding of what the tactics are. He credited the All Blacks with taking away one of South Africa’s strengths.

“What was frustrating around it was, for some reason, it was the head-on head [niggle] or the break foot or something wasn’t quite right,” he said.

“So the All Blacks were like, “No, we’re not going to go down and get set if the Springboks are, you know, already on their angle”.

“You don’t want to be sitting there watching too much of those resets, but a it’s a fascinating watch if you have a little bit of understanding around what they’re trying to achieve, because yeah, I thought we did a great job at trying to stop one of their big strengths.”

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B 2 days ago

A former test level captain - of some distinction - talking from first hand experience. Actual, lived experience.


And he played against many of those same players who were still some way off their eventual WADA compliance.


Cue all the moaning from certain members of the online brigade who never got a single test cap. Between them all.


The Reid man just dropping those truth bombs. Wonderful.

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Hammer Head 2 days ago

Would be nice if someone could interview a non-kiwi and an actual scrum expert for a bit of novelty.

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Utiku Old Boy 2 days ago

We are experts HH.

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Lord McArthur 2 days ago

And for years and years All Blacks coaches were too stupid to figure this out? The likes of Sir Hansen, Sir Henry and others were all idiots that knowing this could not do anything about it??? You’ve had too many hits to the head Kieran. Take your meds and go sit bru.

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Hellhound 2 days ago

Ive watched all of the videos and analysis of the AB's scrum, how they start swinging the scrum even before the ball is in. Especially in the 1st and 2nd Test of the RGR. Their way of countering the Bok scrum, then claim in the media the Boks walk around. Then I went back and watched the analysis of some of their games when they were the top team. Same thing. Breakdowns? Coming in from the side, always off side. Same tactics.

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CHILLI 3 days ago

Oh Lordy, everyone is an expert now. Even the loose forwards. Just bring on game

day already

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Jacque 3 days ago

Read only the first paragraph of the GOB.


Maybe if you’re getting HOSED up front it might feels like the DOMINANT team scrums at an angle.

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nn 3 days ago

Ben Smith is a half wit and knows nothing about rugby, Kieran Read was a loose forward and knows nothing about front row scrumming and Rennie has turned out to be the king of kiwi whingers… just saying.

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Hellhound 2 days ago

Razor and Foster didn't cry. They put up their hands and worked hard to get NZ back to the top. Rennie is another Gatland. Needs refs, social media and WR to win games

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Mzilikazi 3 days ago

Don’t actually think Rennie is so much a whinger, nn, but more an expert smoke screener. And Kieran Read is jumping up on the same wagon. To me it is clear that the AB’s are the team doing the wheeling of the scrums….I refuse to call it “Walking around”. And they do it well, and chose the moment equally well.

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MikeM 3 days ago

And you are what??

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ww 3 days ago

Can New Zealand stop this nonsense ? You wanna tell us that all ref for this years were wrong and only New Zealand and all black are right? Read were you a ref or player? Please New Zealand stop this… let the game be won in the field of play.

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Chiefs Mana 2 days ago

Make a video about it

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AH 3 days ago

In your head, in your head, Rennie rennie

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Nik 3 days ago

The worst losers in World Rugby are whinging and moaning after losing to the worst winners in World Rugby. Quelle surprise.

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Rugby3 3 days ago

The All Blacks are the gold? standard in trying to get away with whatever they can. Their whining about cheating is comical.

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Hammer Head 2 days ago

Standard operating procedure.

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Barefoot 3 days ago

In breaking news, ex-New Zealand captain says New Zealand scrum straight

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Hammer Head 3 days ago

Nick Bishop proven wrong yet again!


There are plenty scrum experts to go around.


They’re all in New Zealand though.

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Koro Teeps 3 days ago

And the Boks have never walked around….. not once…. In the history of the game. Dear Leader said so.


Rassie must have hated being coached by Laurie Mains. Two peas in a pod.

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Jordon 3 days ago

The Bok doth protest too much!!

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Ruppansy 3 days ago

Interesting to finally read an informed analysis about the SA scrumming technique. In Read’s words, not illegal, and not uncommon. Then he goes on to say the All Blacks tried to counter, but were essentially more effective by forcing the refs hand as to when they would engage. That tactic is recognition that they’re unable to counter the legal SA scrumming technique, so as a collective front row and coaching team, they are forcing the refs hand. Very sporting ;-). Who is illegal now? 😉

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LW 3 days ago

Bok strength = cheating, got it. They certainly are having a tantrum about it being pointed out 😅😅😅🤣🤣🤣

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Hammer Head 2 days ago

only because its being pointed out by the kings of cheating


annoying really

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PB 3 days ago

Hmmmm well it seems to

Be working, right?

4 RWC to NZ 3 in two less attempts.

Also 2 Junior RWC titles to NZ zip


How on earth are you blokes ever going to manage another RWC when your youth teams are also getting snotted

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Chiefs Mana 3 days ago

And here we go with 300 comments from insecure Saffa fans

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Hellhound 2 days ago

Not as insecure not smack of desperation like bulshiite over here. Drivel is expected from someone that was shat out on a rock. Nothing new there. No matter how much drivel Kieran Reid wants to put out there, video evidence is out of who is actually walking around, pulling scrums sideways, breakdown offsides etc etc etc. Refs are starting to look bad, especially if they are as easily influenced as Gardener

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PB 3 days ago

Yet here you are to start proceedings.

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Hammer Head 3 days ago

And yet the comments are 8:2 troll kiwis to insecure South Africans.


Like clockwork. In support of the head troll’s journalism.

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Bruiser 3 days ago

I think this might have got under their skin….just a hunch 🧐

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ED 3 days ago

Well I’d say he’s nearly there, its the 1st time I’ve heard a T1 player describe the aim/goals the pack agree on.

flankers support the ‘un-supported props’ ‘ shoulder ..wedge in to keep the engage square. after that,,when the load is on..let the power switch on!!

The boks may have mastered which shoulder the locks and props drive through..idk. you are right or left handed? (notice a difference when lood partnered eben?)

I wish the tv would use the hover camera over every scrum.

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Wayneo 3 days ago

The goal is to de-powering the connection point between the hooker and prop using subtle, angled shifts to isolate the opposition hooker, cutting off the connection to his own tighthead prop.


By compressing the hooker, they prevent him from delivering straight power.


With the hooker neutralized, the tighthead prop literally is left hung out to dry.


This then allows a powerful loosehead prop like Ox Nche to exploit the gap, change the geometry of the scrum, and drive straight through the now-isolated tighthead.


I agree that would be nice to see the overhead view of the scrums so that we can see how the locks and flankers play their part in all this. All very coordinated like an orchestra.

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