'Genuinely looks wide': Questions hang over Stormers match-winning conversion
The Stormers last gasp 17-15 win over Ulster in Cape Town has not come without controversy after Mannie Libbok’s game-winning kick under question after inconclusive match footage.
Trailing 10-15 deep into extra time, the Stormers scored out through fullback Warrick Gelant in the 85th minute to tie up proceedings at 15-all.
With a pressure kick to win the game from out wide, Libbok’s effort looked online to start and then began to fade high, over the post height making it difficult to judge whether or not it had gone through.
Multiple Ulster players can be seen asking from a TMO review of the kick to ensure it went through the posts while Stormers players were celebrating but no review was made, relying on the touch officials call.
Sound on🔊@Vodacom #URC #STOvULS #AllFor1 @URCOfficial_RSA #SSRugby pic.twitter.com/vJe6Ouihkf
— vodacomrugby (@VodacomRugga) June 11, 2022
Questions remained following the game whether the kick was successful or not, with some happy with the call and others not yet convinced the kick made it. With cameras available to confirm, fans were stunned it was not even looked at a second time.
— Simon Borchardt (@SimonBorchardt) June 11, 2022
I've watched it 10 times and I'm not convinced that conversion went over
— Rúaidhrí O'Connor (@RuaidhriOC) June 11, 2022
Was the conversion at the end of #STOvULS checked by TMO and if not why not? It was very tight. Too tight for my liking
— Adam Henderson (@15Adamhendy) June 11, 2022
Any other angles of last kick ?#STOvULS
— Andrew Harte (@Hartey3) June 11, 2022
Missed #STOvULS live unfortunately, just saw back the final 10m incl clock in red, can't understand how that conversion wasn't at least looked at? And by "looked at" I mean with replays available to everyone before final decision made? Genuinely gutted for Ulster.
— Harpin' On Rugby (@HarpinOnRugby) June 11, 2022
Believe me, I’ve looked at this for 5 minutes.
Think the kick was just over.#STOvULS #URC pic.twitter.com/JdVTrLTK4U
— EK Rugby Analysis (@ek_rugby) June 11, 2022
Looks like it drifted wide on that angle. #STOvULS
— handsintheruck (@Handsintheruck) June 11, 2022
Wow, that’s inconclusive, be good to get another angle.
— barryhawk (@barryhawk) June 11, 2022
Genuinely looks wide.
— junior85 (@junior85) June 11, 2022
Is there another camera angle?
— Mhlonishwa (@NkosiJeromeZung) June 11, 2022
Supersport will never release the back angle of that kick😂😂
— Phila Maxase (@PhilaMaxase) June 11, 2022
The TV angle showing that final conversion from Libbok suggested it drifted narrowly wide. Would like to see if from behind the poles – as I’m sure it was good, but that would just confirm it! #STOvULS
— G-Mac (@GreggMac11) June 11, 2022
The best angles of the kick are still rather inconclusive, with the ball seemingly heading over the right post.
How good was that? A special moment shared with the Faithful. Bring on the Final.#iamastormer #dhldelivers @Vodacom #URC pic.twitter.com/iM0DGZPvFo
— DHL Stormers (@THESTORMERS) June 11, 2022
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Brett, from my distant perspective, I hope you get to keep the Rebels. Any ideas of teams from Japan or Argentina are just crazy. Won’t happen. If you look at logistics, it is much easier to get to LA from Auckland, Brisbane, Melbourne or Sydney than to Buenos Aires. All with direct non-stop daily flights. You may even get some “gringos” to watch the games, with some younger players compared to Giteau and Nonu who still “play” in the area. I think it is virtually impossible to get a competitive Argie team for SR. All Pumas are in Europe, almost all second tier players are also in Europe. Fringe players are in South American pro rugby tournament (and many still in the MLR!) but these players who might be most interested in joining a new Jaguares do not have the skills to compete. As I have been saying since the Jaguares joined, they should have had TWO teams to make logistics for visiting teams better and Argie player development improved as well. Jaguares/Pumas was not ideal. But this is where Pichot and his cronies did not think long enough. Further the country with he new president “No hay Plata” Milei is in a very difficult situation. Galperin, the richest man in Argentina owns the Miami franchise of MLR. I don’t think you can get him to invest in Argentina. Actually, he played rugby himself. He was a fly half. He is worth around $6 billion!
1 Go to commentsWell done Baby Boks we will take the Draw. No 9 senseless long passes in those conditions. let’s move on and hope for some good weather
4 Go to commentsHow did it end a draw. South Africa didn’t score any points as far as I can see
4 Go to commentsNo doubt this will be a fantastic occasion and I plan to be there, but I think the bean counters have won out over the rugby brains. In my opinion, it is foolhardy to give the Black Ferns the experience of playing in front of 60,000+ at Twickenham a year before they might be playing there in a World Cup Final. Better to play France at Twickenham and Black Ferns at Kingsholm. The difference in takings would be miniscule.
1 Go to commentsDom kant
193 Go to commentsBen is a little incel desperately trying to stir the pot and stay relevant. We used to get mad at his articles. Now we just feel sorry for him
193 Go to commentsPerhaps we may need to put an asterisk on NZ’s ‘87 WC win since the Boks weren’t there. You know, just as a reminder. Poor Ben Smith. Go cry somewhere else.
193 Go to commentsNz should have won. I didn't watch the game, but the ref was at fault and the bounce of the ball and the Bokke used the Bomb squad and the Bokke slow the game down and the Bokke scrum. They should remove the scrum. The Bokke are to strong. Not fair. Nz should have won
3 Go to commentsThanks for a much more balanced piece Ned and not that BS that Bin Smuth just posted a short while ago. read this article and then Bin Smuth’s and tell me there isn’t a huge difference🙄
3 Go to commentsWere the Baby Boks part of this game or did the Baby Blacks play themselves?🤔 That man Bin Smuth once again does a little write-up on the game and it is like 95% about the Baby Blacks🤣 Glad he ends off with the Baby Blacks were actually in cruise control for most of the game and weren’t actually playing for the win WTF🤣🤣 Maybe he was expecting the Baby Blacks to run rampant….
4 Go to commentsOne does not expect anything more from Ben Smith who epitomises the worst of New Zealand media arrogance and an inability to balance what he has to say about any team that beats the All Blacks. His reference to context is pathetically thin. He does not comment that Frizell deserved a red card given his blatant manipulation of his body to ensure that he could drop his body weight onto Mbonambi’s lower leg. No mention of the ball lost forward before the All Black’s try (lost in-field of the 5 metre line and gathered beyond). The All Black commitment and effort was superb and there was little in it. Given the Springbok passage to the final and the loss of their hooker in the first three minutes, their resolve and capacity to win their fourth final out of eight attempts (not three out of ten) deserves the praise that has been forthcoming from media around the world, worth reading and listening to. Ben should join his “pundit” friends on TV - he would fit in well. This sort of article reduces any credibility Rugby Pass has ever had. Why persist with this sort of nonsense? The man does his country and a rugby blog a disservice.
193 Go to commentsEtzebeth went on to say: “I would never dream of saying that systems stay in place following a change in captain. To say that would be deeply, deeply, disrespectful of Siya. A while back an Irish person told me they would be fine without Sexton, so I’m just responding to that.”
3 Go to commentsClose games are what we want to see…. What a match it was…. I am sure that everyone was drained by the end of it. The reality of it all there has to be a winner and a loser. The fact that we still talking about it is almost 6 months to the day Rugby is the winner.. Asante sana… Here is to 2027 and what it will bring out.
193 Go to commentsIt’s going to be a good game. COYQ
1 Go to comments“Shock”, the guy was casually saying he was just slightly surprised. Nowadays if you say anything it gets taken completely out of context. Calm down everyone.
156 Go to commentsAll I can say after reading this bitter, sour, sad piece is… Thank you very much! This will be read in the change room just before kick off on 31 August…
193 Go to commentsLook, we know contradicting opinions and wacky comments bring readers and clicks, so well done to RP for allowing always-wrong-Ben to say something here. However RP needs to put a disclaimer next to his comments for their own credibility. NZ was and is incapable of acknowledging their opp beating them. They refused so with Ire and with Arg in 2022 and also the Boks in 2023 x 2. Nothing Ben says here holds water, NZ attacked backwards, except when Kolisi and Kolbe was off And cyncialy took out Bongi, we played without lineouts for 75mins. Kolisi and Kurt-Lee almost scored twice. Thats 3 vs 2 for Boks, but the Boks opportunities was legal. Boks should have been 16-3 up by half time. Tacticaly the Boks attacked better defended better scrummed better (without a hooker) kicked better and crossed the whitewash more times. Boks beat Fr Eng Nz to win in 23, comeon give some credit at least. Even Federer Verstappen NY Mets, Mamoa, was able to see a great human sport achievement by the Boks and their DNA Boks #RWC27 !🏉
193 Go to commentsForget the 85kg bit, that can become something else. However I do like the one off test on ANZAC day idea. SR plays Fri/ Sat, test players travel Sunday and the squads have the full week together before playing Saturday. Rest of SR has a week off. Either involve women's teams in same location or in the other country and rotate annually. Herbert is right in that change is needed.
3 Go to commentsI’ve read loads of nonsense before but this article takes the cake. Or perhaps someone changed the date for April Fool's Day.
3 Go to commentsReally Rugbypass? Ben Smith I think you forgot what the Springboks did to the All Blacks at Twickenham 8 weeks earlier? Springboks 35 All Blacks 7. There is alot of ifs and buts in your article. The All Blacks threw the sink at the Springboks and unfortunately they were not good enough regardless if they played with 14 men or not. It was the Springboks who forced the All Blacks to make mistakes! Sorry but not Sorry the Springboks is the best ever Rugby World Cup Nation in the world. 4 Cups baby!
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