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Fin Smith: 'I’m not quite sure how we get to the bottom of that... it's frustrating'

SANTIAGO DEL ESTERO, ARGENTINA - JULY 18: Marcus Smith of England celebrates scoring his team's fourth try with teammate Fin Smith during the 2026 Nations Championship match between Argentina and England at Estadio Unico Madre de Ciudades on July 18, 2026 in Santiago del Estero, Argentina. (Photo by Nations Championship/Getty Images)
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Fin Smith admits England must urgently stamp out their discipline problems if they are to fulfil their aspiration of becoming a major force on the world stage.

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Steve Borthwick’s team lifted their total of yellow cards for 2026 to 15 in eight Tests after being shown four more in Saturday’s chaotic 31-24 victory over Argentina in Santiago del Estero.

They also lost the penalty count 15-6 and conceded a penalty try yet, despite the second-half meltdown that twice left them playing with 13 men, they had the resolve to deliver a triumphant climax to their July tour.

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Head coach Borthwick responded to questioning of England’s difficulties keeping players on the pitch by hitting back at the “negativity committee”, but Smith concedes it is a failing that must be addressed.

“It’s still the whole discipline thing, I’m not quite sure how we get to the bottom of that,” the Northampton fly-half said.

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W
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D
PF
PA
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2
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12
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Scotland
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England
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2
1
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10
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Ireland
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5
Wales
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5
6
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Australia
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1
2
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8
4
Argentina
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2
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7
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Japan
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6
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“It’s frustrating because we’re a very good team when we have 15 men on the pitch, but for the last five or six games I’ve played for England I reckon I’ve spent at least 25-30 per cent of the game without that.

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“That’s always challenging because then you’re just trying to defend your own try line pretty much and we’re not allowing ourselves to show the best of us.

“It’s probably a 50-50 balance between people just not doing stupid things and also when you’re under pressure you give away penalties and they stack up into cards.

“A lot of the yellows we got against Argentina were compounded by penalties in our own 22, so we should probably be getting out of there a bit better, defending our try-line and not letting opposition in.

“But then there’s also a little bit of personal responsibility to not keep doing stuff that gets you pinned.”

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England end the first phase of the Nations Championship with two wins from three Tests and could yet reach the competition’s showpiece on November 29.

The team’s win rate since Borthwick took charge in time for the 2023 Six Nations now stands at 58 per cent but Smith insists they should be aiming to win every single game.

“Expectation comes with being an England rugby player,” he said. “The RFU is a massive organisation and Twickenham is full every week.

“We’ve got great support and people just want to see us win, which is fair because there’s no reason we shouldn’t be a powerhouse in international rugby and there’s no reason we shouldn’t be winning every week.

“There are obviously things that might need certain bits of context here and there when we’re under a bit of pressure, but on the whole when we pull that white shirt on we all know that the expectations from the country and ourselves is to go and win.”

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Tom 4 hours ago

It isn't an easy fix. As others have said they are getting yellow cards because they are panicking under pressure. The only one we can and should fix easily are the incessant offside penalties. The Pollock yellow was avoidable. Three offsides in quick succession is sloppy.

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AD 14 hours ago

Why is Borthwick still the coach?

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GrahamVF 17 hours ago

Marcus Smith is a much better rugby player than finn smith _ Borthwick just can’t se it.

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Tom 16 hours ago

He may be a better rugby player but unfortunately he's not a better flyhalf.

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fl 16 hours ago

Marcus has great versatility, but he'll never be a reliable test 10


Every time he plays at fly half for England, he reliably makes everyone around him look rubbish, because he isn't a tactical playmaker in the way that Ford and Fin are.

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unknown 17 hours ago

The discipline issue is due to the team being under pressure and the pressure is a result of weakness in the defensive setup. This weakness is a result of having a novice defence coach. The deterioration in 2026 coincides with Wigglesworth taking over the defence. A new coach with proven experience in the field should be able to address many of the issues that lead to penalties being given away and yellow cards received. The RFU highlighted discipline as part of its post 6N review and nothing has improved during the summer. Borthwick didn’t like being questioned about it but four yellow cards in 40 minutes at International level demands questions. The RFU must act and appoint a new defence coach and possibly/probably a new head coach. The argument after the 6N was that the best candidates are only available at the end of international cycles. Well Farrell is already tied up beyond that with Ireland, other non-English candidates will not know the English game or be drawn to the role (the best in the club game can move roles out with this timeframe so are excluded from this argument). Edwards is available now and the RFU needs to act competently (for once) and get him in the setup

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J Marc 5 hours ago

Edwards quit France for “ personal reasons” . Rumours tell us it's because of Galthie and other rumours tell about “ heatlh reasons”….

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BH 7 hours ago

“The discipline issue is due to the team being under pressure and the pressure is a result of weakness in the defensive setup. This weakness is a result of having a novice defence coach”


Agreed.

Wigglesworth took over from McGuigan on his return from the Lions and we had a disaster of a 6 nations.

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Lofty 16 hours ago

I fully agree on the Wiggy lack of defence experience mate but Borthers has surrounded himself with inexperienced “yes men” Do you honestly think he would wanna work with the hard nosed talent that is Shaun Edwards or vice versa. ? I would love SE there (for the last 8 years) but don't believe it could work !!

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fl 17 hours ago

You're daft. There's no reason at all to think that Edwards would be better than Borthwick. A short term deal for Cheika might make sense, but it's either that or stick with Borthwick.

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