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'Beatable' Boks not the most dominant team ever: Jeremy Guscott

Dublin , Ireland - 22 November 2025; RG Snyman of South Africa is tackled by Bundee Aki and Jamison Gibson-Park of Ireland during the Quilter Nations Series 2025 match between Ireland and South Africa at the Aviva Stadium in Dublin. (Photo By John Dickson/Sportsfile via Getty Images)

‘Beatable’ South Africa have to be taken down by England and removed from top spot in the World Rugby Rankings if Steve Borthwick’s side are going to repeat the feat of the Rugby World Cup-winning class of 2003, and win in Australia, according to England legend Jeremy Guscott.

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An 11-match winning streak has England earmarked as South Africa’s biggest threat when the Rugby World Cup takes place in 2027, but the rolls royce of a centre says they still have points to prove.

Writing in his regular column in The Rugby Paper, Guscott said: “To get to the level of the 2003 team, Steve Borthwick’s side has got to get to the top of the world’s six leading nations over the next two years. That might be attainable because, although South Africa are playing very well at the moment, I don’t think they would dominate a current World XV – and the only people likely to say they would are South African fans.

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“My sense is that South Africa in 2023 were not as dominant as world champions as they were in 2019, or as dominant as New Zealand in 2015, or England in 2003. This is because since 2019 the top teams have all beaten each other, and although the Springboks are the strongest side, they are beatable having sustained a number of defeats.

“So opportunity knocks for England, starting with a Six Nations campaign in which two of their first three fixtures are home games against Wales and Ireland. In between is a trip north of the border to play Scotland, and win all three and a Triple Crown will be theirs by the mid-point of the tournament.

“If they then went on to to win the Six Nations with a Grand Slam you’d be thinking, ‘wait a minute, we’ve got the makings here.'”

Jremy Guscott
CARDIFF, WALES – FEBRUARY 06: Former England player Jeremy Guscott commentates for the BBC during the RBS Six Nations match between Wales and England at the Millennium Stadium on February 6, 2015 in Cardiff, Wales. (Photo by David Rogers – RFU/The RFU Collection via Getty Images)
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While Guscott’s World XV view flies in the face of the evidence – six Springboks were named in World Rugby’s Men’s Dream Team of the Year for 2025, he does have a point around South Africa’s dominance, at least from a rankings point of view.

South Africa’s lead at the top of the rankings as we approach the end of the year is set at 3.61 points over New Zealand, which is historically nowhere near the biggest. In the 22 full calendar years that the rankings have existed, there have been 10 occasions where a team has had a bigger advantage once the international season has ended.

New Zealand, in 2006, were 8.72 points ahead of France at the year’s end, for example, while the 2015 All Blacks team that Guscott references were 6.77 points to the good over Australia, the team they defeated in the Rugby World Cup final at Twickenham.

Top 5 rankings leads at the year’s end

YearTeamLead
2006New Zealand8.72
2015New Zealand6.77
2010New Zealand5.74
2014New Zealand5.47
2020South Africa4.71
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RC 49 days ago

Guscott desperately trying to make himself relevant ? He’s a bit like Matt Williams.

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Stuart Lee 50 days ago

100% agree with Guscott. The Boks will be the most dominant team only when they show that they are truly the best. This will be achieved at the next RWC. 3 peat on the cards. Imagine Rassie using the pool games like training runs. No point in winning or being 2nd in the pool just to face either of the only 2 other competent teams (All Blacks and England) early in the RWC2027. Boks to finish 3rd in Pool B then play Ireland or Scotland with a fresh pack of forwards who have been rested for 2 weeks. Bokbefok.

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Eric Elwood 50 days ago

NZ and England are the only other two competent teams in the RWC? Really?

Do you not think that is an arrogant take?

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TM 50 days ago

Keep on living in the past !…..see you in 2027 boet !

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Ungerer Myburgh 51 days ago

Who is Jeremy Guscott?

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JR 51 days ago

England have only won 11 matches in a row with the RFUs help in a avoiding a match against the

Springboks.

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Hammer Head 51 days ago

England will have their chance pretty soon, to put their money where Guscott’s mouth is.


What is a world XV side anyway? The boks wouldn’t be able to beat a make believe team? Big Whoop-Dee-doo.


The boks success over the years has been about the team effort and not necessarily having all the world class players. Just look at France and Ireland.


Teams with world class players don’t necessarily translate into results.


I hope the chit chat around Englands chances grows more feverish. And I hope they arrive at Ellis park still unbeaten. They’d be on a 16 test unbeaten run?


Fabulous.


It will make for a sensational match.

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D J 51 days ago

The whole point is that Rassie is focused on inovating the style of play and building the squad while also winning. Instaed of focusing on losses - look at how they win and how dominent they are. Look at the level they play after already wining 2 WC - this is amazing.

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Jacque 51 days ago

EVERY TEAM IS BEATABLE.

ENG had a 91% win record in 2025 while beating the likes of USA, Italy, Fiji, Wales & Scotland & that is 5 of the 11 games you won against teams ranked outside WR Top 6.

CALM DOWN.

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PMcD 51 days ago

I think ENG also did rather well to beat ARG 3x, NZ, AUS & FRA this season, so the results may be a little stronger than you are suggesting.


They are not on the same level as SA but FRA, ENG & NZ will likely be the biggest challengers to SA in 2 years time.

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Ninjin 51 days ago

Well he might eat his words in 2027 if the Springboks keep on going the way they are playing atm. Lets face it the only way they will be deemed better than the 2015 All Blacks will be if they win 3 WCs in a row while not dropping more than two games a year at most but then again which Bok team will that be as 2019/23 was one A and B team and 2027 will be 3 A teams going to the WC.

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Shumboom 51 days ago

This will sum up this, somewhat, flawed argument… back in the time when Jeremy was playing and at his best, he would be hard-pressed to make a current top ten rugby side in 2025. Perhaps the current Springboks, it could be argued, are way more impressive (despite ranking points, despite the odd loss, etc.) than any other team in any other era, just because the teams now days are so much more better in every facet, conditioning, size, athletic ability, power, professionalism, coaching, rules and laws, etc. To maintain their ‘dominance’ in this era, I doubt the 2015 All Blacks would’ve matched the efforts of this Bokke outfit…

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Graeme Hayward 51 days ago

If you cast the same critical eye over England, then it has to be said that they are nowhere. They’ve improved but are yet to achieve anything. A single good win only shows promise & a lot can happen in a year…

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PMcD 51 days ago

Yes, ENG are playing with a unique style and identify (the 5x7s has changed the game somewhat this season) and they are getting better. Very strong defensive displays, an improving (young) squad and some notable wins (ARG x3, FRA, AUS & NZ) also add a bit more credibility to that journey but the reality is they are nowhere near SA at the moment.


The question people should be asking is “are they capable of closing the gap over the between now and RWC2027”? That’s the real question of interest and it’s far too early to answer that question yet.

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Boddasaffa 51 days ago

Naturally you will write an article and big your team up. The greatest team debate is mute.

1. The AB team were trend setters at the time, the current refs would not allow RM to push the boundaries like he did.

2 the current Boks are trend setters or this era, WR will end this and ruin rugby again.

The poms are bigging themselves up, win a few games and they are world champs, loose and they need to change this and that. Same same

What matters is the rugby. WR are allowing R360 to analyse what the fans want and need in a game. I will pay money to see consistency and every team reffed the same. Wake up WR change is coming and you will be left behind.

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Ninjin 51 days ago

When were the Poms not bigging themselves up? It is a tradition with them.

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Snash 51 days ago

Oh dear JG Eng will lose to Boks by 10 points in July next year - at least. They wont win the 6 nations either.

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BF 51 days ago

These articles are nonsensical. Of course the Boks are beatable. Every team is because everyone is at a better level these days. On average ..on a given day.. the top 6 can beat each other. The Boks currently tend to win when it matters. So we celebrate that. Any GOAT chats for players or a team as a whole is a useless waste of time and just clickbait bs.

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Red and White Dynamight 51 days ago

Poor Safas struggling to cope with facts. No ‘greatest’ team ever leaked 0-38 points at home to the 7th ranked team.

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PB 50 days ago

32 - 12 🤭

Keep sucking that pacifier chump! The stats that matter are simple. Back to back WC’s, losing 4 out of 26.

Let’s be honest, using the 5 sevens tactic vs the Bok scrum will be suicide. Boks will simply munch the lightweight Pom scrum and spit them out. Your bravado is simply to hide what you already know, and that is that England are far off the Bok team!

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Ninjin 51 days ago

That they did but the question should be what happened after? What is happening atm? And what do you really think will happen next year? No sledging and no “gouging” just an honist opinion.

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Lucien Luyt 51 days ago

All teams are beatable. As a winning team it's about winning the ones you need to win as a team and understanding how to, and being able to do that. The Springboks have proven they are able to do that and they are getting better at doing that. England are also getting better at doing that and so we have some epic rugby to look forward to. We are the winners.

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Ludovici 52 days ago

Sure Jeremy…. time will tell

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R 52 days ago

I'll put money on England not taking the cup!

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PMcD 52 days ago

Well, after SA just went unbeaten in Europe, beating all before them in AWAY fixtures and dismantling FRA with only 14 players for the 2nd half . . . . Let’s be honest, ENG are getting better and improving . . . . but don’t have a chance against SA.


There’s no shame in this, SA are currently in a league of their own and the real question is can anyone catch them over the next 2 years and stop them from delivering a historic triple.

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Ed the Duck 52 days ago

I’ll have a pint of whatever guscott’s on please barman!

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PMcD 52 days ago

In fairness Ed, I think there’s a good chance he’s on some strong medication as he’s just done his back and is in quite a bad way.

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BiltongKingSA 52 days ago

No team is unbeatable. The above is playing with words out of context. I believe all rugby lovers yearn for a great hard fought game and victory with fair refs and panel.

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PMcD 52 days ago

Oh Jerry . . . . You really have embarrassed yourself with this one. We know you had no idea what the forwards did, whilst leaving poor old Phil de Glanville to make your tackles in your playing days, so when you wake up and realise that 6 of the World XV forwards are probably SA and I suspect 2 or 3 of the backs to be in there, they may well be dominating in more areas that you realise. Nice try but I don’t think your comments will age well this year. 🤣🤣🤣

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SB 52 days ago

I see SA still leaves rent free in Poms’ heads. Couldn't he just talk up England's chances without taking unnecessary swipes at the Springboks? Also funny how he says the Springboks “have sustained a number of defeats” since 2019 but doesn't mention the exact number. Because he doesn't know. Or he knows but knows they're little thereby defeating his whole point and that's why he doesn't mention them

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PMcD 51 days ago

You are absolutely correct, should just focus on his own team rather than making click bait opinions that don’t look credible to begin with and will likely age badly in the run up to RWC 2027.

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PMcD 52 days ago

Go easy on old Jeremy, he doesn’t really understand what forwards do and he always thought defence was somebody else’s job, so you can understand why he thinks he’s perfectly correct in this view. 🥴

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Ace 52 days ago

I fully agree with “I don’t think they would dominate a current World XV” because Rassie has created a TEAM where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.


That is the hallmark of a great team.

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Ninjin 51 days ago

The Springboks are the first National team to be run just like a top club team competing over multiple comps with 50 players on the books and being able to field 3 very strong teams. France and England to copy this and the rest to fall behind.

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Ben 52 days ago

If the Springboks of 2019 or the ABs of 2015 or the Roses of 2003 were to compete today they wouldn’t dominate either. They'd lose narrowly or win narrowly. So your point, exactly, Jem me old mate?

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PMcD 52 days ago

There would be some interesting match ups in amongst that lot.


OX probably wins at loosehead.

MARX & THOMPSON would be a close call.

TdT at tighthead.

JOHNSON ahead of ETZEBETH & RETALLICK

WHITELOCK probably takes it at 5.

McCAW takes the honours at openside (let’s get that out of the way)

Simply box office between HILL, PSdT & KAINO (can’t choose)

Similar issue at 8 between VERMEULEN, READ & DALLAGIO (V or R)

SMITH beats FAF & DAWSON

CARTER beats WILKINSON & POLLARD

I am going to cheat, so KOLBY gets 11 (he was that good)

NONU vs DDA is actually a tough call (can’t choose)

C SMITH gets the nod at 13

J ROBINSON gets the 14 shirt

BEN SMITH probably gets it at 15


You would have to say the AB’s 2015 were the best team of the 3 . . . But could be an interesting debate come RWC 2027.

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Laingarang 52 days ago

This is top quality rage bait 😂


“although South Africa are playing very well at the moment, I don’t think they would dominate a current World XV – and the only people likely to say they would are South African fans” - dudes never heard of a team 😂

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Ninjin 51 days ago

Funny guy. I dont know if you know but the SBs are a TEAM of about 45 players😜 and most if not all of those players will walk into any other team in the world. The top 30 hands down.

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Ernie 52 days ago

Agree


All opinions. My opinion vs yours.


What is true is to be at the top is more difficult because the top six is so close to each other.


The one mistake the the world is making is, The more you grind the Boks the harder they will come back!

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Archibald 52 days ago

“My sense is that South Africa in 2023 were not as dominant as world champions as they were in 2019”


Welcome to 2025, Jer.

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Hammer Head 21 days ago

2026 INCOMING!

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RoyceCoolidge 52 days ago

I’m shocked he didn’t proclaim an Ireland team to be the most dominant, as he loves them so much.

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Dave Didley 52 days ago

Ben Smith even likes them. Even though the ABs once beat them 57-0!

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Ninjin 51 days ago

Did you know that most of those players that lost that day now have two World cup medals?

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Hard Boiled 52 days ago

Haha Guscott going for the ultimate rage bate. Fair play to you sir but yeah nah

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FL 52 days ago

Jeremy Guscot should have his head examined. He counts his chickens before they're hatched about England beating SA, winning the six nations, and winning the world cup.

This Springbok side is miles ahead of any team right now and will be in two years, because Rassie is spoilt for choice, so many good Boks are around.

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Ninjin 51 days ago

They have always been around. It is just that previous coaching teams were not able to exploit that as Rassie and co does now.

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Hammer Head 52 days ago

Nick Mallet was right!

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Lou Cifer 52 days ago

opinion noted Mr Guscott🤓

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Wayneo 52 days ago

Guaranteed if we had TMO’s and the current officiating the much vaunted 2010-2015 All Blacks record would be nowhere near what it was.

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Red and White Dynamight 51 days ago

presumably including the non-working TMO at Ellis Park last year. strange coincidence that it keeps happening at the same stadium vs same opponents. Odd. Of course, Boks were also handed the RWC’23 by TMO (vs France and NZ). ‘much vaunted” indeed.

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NxxTX 51 days ago

If……but if!

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RC 52 days ago

Idiot.

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Hammer Head 52 days ago

If the top 6 teams were as competitive as they are now, too.


Comparing teams across eras is such a daft exercise. Anyone of the top 6 can win their home games against anyone. And that’s a good thing. Watching one team beat everyone routinely is boring.

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Henrik 52 days ago

anyone of Springboks, ABs, England, France may, based on today’s strenght (not necessarily ranking), win the RWC27 without it being a major upset …. Ireland, Argentina and Australia might be too lightweight for such a feat, but they certainly could have a word or two to say in the competition as well

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PMcD 51 days ago

Australia really raised their game for the Lions but the cumulative injuries and number of games gradually took their toll this year. Whilst the coaching change will add some uncertainty, they have also added some further top quality players.


I do think they have more of a chance on home soil than people give them credit, so will be very interesting to see how they start next season. I still think they may have a surprise result in them along the way and I also think Argentina will be a better team come RWC 2027.

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Ninjin 51 days ago

The team that does not run out of steam will win it.

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fl 52 days ago

““My sense is that South Africa in 2023 were not as dominant as world champions as they were in 2019, or as dominant as New Zealand in 2015, or England in 2003. This is because since 2019 the top teams have all beaten each other, and although the Springboks are the strongest side, they are beatable having sustained a number of defeats.”


The Boks are a long way behind 2015 NZ, but seem to have improved since 2019. In 2019, New Zealand, England, and South Africa were like rock, paper, and scissors, but SA are now uncontroversially the best side in the world.


Comparing SA to England is tricky. England’s 2003 season was probably better than any that SA have had under Rassie, but England were really poor in 2004 and meh in 2002.

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ga 52 days ago

I agree with Guscott, too. Fair play, and it is opinion-based, so hopefully my brethren won’t take the bait! I do like the bulletin board material to pile up for extra motivation!

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