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'South Africa's second XV beat New Zealand's first XV': 101-cap veteran

Beauden Barrett of New Zealand looks on during The Rugby Championship & Bledisloe Cup match between New Zealand All Blacks and Australia Wallabies at Sky Stadium on September 28, 2024 in Wellington, New Zealand. (Photo by Hannah Peters/Getty Images)

World champions South Africa have three teams that could possibly beat any other team in the world currently, former England scrum-half Danny Care has claimed.

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The 101-cap veteran, who retired from international rugby earlier this year, made this assertion on his podcast Hits Different alongside fellow host Mark Atkinson and current Harlequins coach, former All Black Nick Evans.

In the section of the show labelled ‘Debatable’, Care and Evans discussed whether South Africa now produce better rugby players than New Zealand. However, the conversation descended into whether the Springboks’ second XV could beat the All Blacks‘ first XV.

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While both Care and Atkinson believe a second-string South Africa side would come out on top, Evans vehemently disagreed, saying they had “no chance”.

Of course, the sides have already met this year, with South Africa coming out on top in back-to-back Tests on their way to winning The Rugby Championship. Scorelines of 31-27 and 18-12 show how close both encounters were, but the Englishman believes the Springboks’ bench, plus seven more players could achieve the same feat.

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“You look at the strength in depth in South Africa right now and think they could put three different XVs against any other team in the world and I think they might win or be very, very close,” Care said.

“I think currently South Africa’s second XV would beat the current New Zealand first XV.

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Atkinson added: “I think they beat them. If you’re signing individuals, then Kiwis still seem like better rugby players as individuals, but at the moment it’s hard to argue that South Africa aren’t producing better teams.

The Quins legend cited former team-mate Andre Esterhuizen, who left the Stoop this summer, as an example of the depth that the Springboks currently have following a Rugby Championship where the centre did not see a minute of action.

“Look at the players that can’t even get in the South Africa team,” the scrum-half added. “Andre Esterhuizen, one of the best players that’s ever worn a Harlequins shirt, currently can’t get a game for South Africa. He would be in the second team. I think they beat New Zealand’s first team.

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Tom 1 hour ago
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Well… I'd say the modern Boks are not a particularly violent team but it's impossible to getaway with much violence on an international rugby field now. The Boks of yesteryear were at times brutal. Whether or not the reputation is justified, they do have that reputation amongst a lot of rugby fans.

As for point 2.. it's a tricky one, I don't want to slander a nation here. I'm no “Bok hater”, but I've gotta say some Bok fans are the most obnoxious fans I've personally encountered. Notably this didn't seem to be a problem until the Boks became the best in the world. I agree that fans from other nations can be awful too, every nation has it's fair share of d-heads but going on any rugby forum or YouTube comments is quite tedious these days owing to the legions of partisan Bok fans who jump onto every thread regardless of if it's about the Boks to tell everyone how much better the Boks are than everyone else. A Saffa once told me that SA is a troubled country and because of that the Boks are a symbol of SA victory against all odds so that's why the fans are so passionate. At least you recognise that there is an issue with some Bok fans, that's more than many are willing to concede. Whatever the reason, it's just boring is all I can tell you and I can say coming from a place of absolute honesty I encounter far, far more arrogance and obnoxious behaviour from Bok fans than any other fanbase - the kiwis were nothing like this when they were on top. So look much love to SA, I bear no hatred of ill will, I just want to have conversations about rugby without being told constantly that the Boks are the best team in the world and all coaches except Rassie are useless etc



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