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Something all rugby fans need to remember... particularly Bok fans

Players of South Africa acknowledge the fans after the Quilter Nations Series 2025 match between Italy and South Africa at Allianz Stadium on November 15, 2025 in Turin, Italy. (Photo by Alessandro Sabattini/Getty Images)

It is said that comparison is the thief of joy, but try telling that to any sports fan. For supporters, comparison isn’t theft; it’s sport’s unofficial national pastime. The moment you show someone a highlight reel or an end-of-season table, the brain flicks into ranking mode. It is impossible not to contrast one player’s career with another, to hold one team in the light of a rival’s glow and wonder which one is superior. Sport, after all, is an exercise in establishing superiority, in empirically and numerically proving dominance.

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A quick disclaimer: none of it is controversial. None of it should be taken remotely seriously. Comparing players in different positions or systems is to veer into flights of fancy. The whole thing is a parlour game disguised as analysis. And that’s fine. Comparison may be the thief of joy, but it can also be a delightful way to kill time with friends and family over the festive period, somewhere between the leftover turkey sandwiches and the arguments about whether Die Hard is a Christmas film.

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What it should not do is cause so much consternation. If you picked a thousand rugby fans and asked them to compile a list of their top 100 players, you would get a thousand different responses. When I was asked to name my top 50 Ashes cricketers of all time for the Guardian, I was shocked to learn that two fellow contributors failed to include Donald Bradman. Donald Bradman! If The Don is not a universal pick, then objectivity has long since packed its bags.

You might think Antoine Dupont is the best. You might agree with World Rugby and have Malcolm Marx at the summit of the oval game. The point is, there is no consensus. There is no universal truth. As Jeff Bridges famously quipped in The Big Lebowski, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.

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So why do we lather ourselves into a frenzy when someone disagrees? Why take an alternative view as a personal insult? Somewhere along the way, the harmless joy of sporting debate has been replaced by something closer to ideological warfare.

This week, Jeremy Guscott, the former England and British & Irish Lions centre, poured cold water on the developing position that Rassie Erasmus’ Springboks are the greatest team of all time. In The Rugby Paper, he wrote:

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“My sense is that South Africa in 2023 were not as dominant as world champions as they were in 2019, or as dominant as New Zealand in 2015, or England in 2003. This is because since 2019 the top teams have all beaten each other, and although the Springboks are the strongest side, they are beatable having sustained a number of defeats.”

Fair is fair, right? Reasonable opinion, backed by evidence, respectfully delivered. Yet if you’d glanced at the comments section under any piece reporting on Guscott’s words – let alone scrolled through the sludge on social media – you’d assume the Bath legend had danced on the grave of Nelson Mandela and then kicked a penguin on Boulders Beach for good measure.

The reaction was not merely disagreement, it was offence. It was the sense that Guscott had violated something sacred. Because that’s what fandom increasingly resembles – a form of soft-core nationalism where your team is not just a team but an extension of your identity. To say the Springboks are not the greatest team ever isn’t, in some corners of the Internet, interpreted as a judgement on a rugby side. It’s interpreted as a judgement on South Africans themselves.

And South Africans are hardly alone in this. New Zealanders bristle at any suggestion that Richie McCaw’s All Blacks might already have been usurped. English, Irish and Scottish fans regularly inflate their World Cup chances. Italians and Argentinians share their displeasure at what they deem perpetual disrespect. Every nation has its pressure points, its sacred cows, its reflexive defensiveness. The Boks may have the loudest current chorus, but the hymn is universal.

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Part of the problem is that the modern fan ecosystem runs on algorithms that reward fury. Nuance does not trend. A calm, “I respectfully disagree,” gets the same traction as a failed line-out throw. But declare that someone’s opinion is the worst ever expressed by a human being and suddenly you’re viral.

Another issue is that we’ve lost the muscle memory for playful disagreement. Sport used to be the safe space where you could argue without consequences. Who’s better, Dan Carter or Jonny Wilkinson? Which World Cup final was the greatest? Who would win a hypothetical match between the 2015 All Blacks and the 2023 Springboks on a floating pitch in the Indian Ocean? None of these questions have an answer, and that is precisely why they are fun.

Which, ultimately, is the whole point. Comparison is only the thief of joy if you let it be. If you accept that your ranking is exactly as subjective as everyone else’s – no more, no less – then you free yourself to enjoy the noise, the nonsense, the glorious messiness of sporting discourse.

So go ahead: argue that Eben Etzebeth is the greatest lock ever, or that Finn Russell is rugby’s Picasso, or that Henry Pollock may yet be the most electric back-row of his generation. But do it with a smile. Do it with generosity. Do it knowing that, like all the best sporting questions, none of it really matters and that’s what makes it beautiful.

Because if sport ever did arrive at a universal consensus, if we all agreed on one ranking, one champion, one GOAT across all time, the conversation would stop. And without the conversation, a huge piece of the joy would vanish too.

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LEWY 48 days ago

Hear, hear! 🍻

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Hammer Head 48 days ago

Fair comments DG. I think you’ve made the point quite well that all fans take it a bit too far sometimes because of their passionate support.


At least most rugby fans don’t loot city centres after our teams lose or are subjected to water cannon dispersion techniques when things don’t go our way.


I don’t have to be diplomatic on this topic though and will say that it is my opinion that in terms of comparing teams the Irish (who recently learned how to play rugby) and the Kiwis (who think they invented rugby) are at least as bad as Saffers. We Saffers are just getting a lot of the spotlight right now because our team is the best of all time.


The best fans in the world must surely be the japanese. Yet to meet a Japanese fan on here who is irritating.


Food for thought.


PS - and we can probably all agree that English Fans are by far the worst!


Discuss.

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Red and White Dynamight 41 days ago

you are riddled with insecurities

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JW 45 days ago

At least most rugby fans don’t loot city centres after our teams lose or are subjected to water cannon dispersion techniques when things don’t go our way.

I’m told that was the vibe of the streets of Auckland in 2011.

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Ed the Duck 48 days ago

And the award for the highest number of grenades in a single post goes to…🏆🤣

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JD 48 days ago

Without exception the best article of its type I’ve ever read. Well said!!!!!

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SK 48 days ago

Yeah as fans too many of us do take it too seriously and too many are too desperate for their team to win. In the end its all just a game and thats all it ever will be.

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Eric Elwood 48 days ago

Part of the problem is that the modern fan ecosystem runs on algorithms that reward fury.

@DG This is becoming more apparent to people as the years go by. In a comparison of online/offline poll re a political issue “English race riots” online respondents agreed with an incendiary statement (I wont repeat) 80:20. In a traditional poll (talking to actual people via phone, at houses) it was 10:90 against.


This isn’t a gripe against you personally, but the clickbait articles prevalent on this site will attract a certain type of poster and will cause otherwise ordinary rugby fans to engage negatively, whether to defend themselves or whatever.


If you look at the really in depth rugby analysis articles here ( @NB and yourself and more) they are the ones that will consistently get the action.


Rugby Pass has a role in this too.

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Hammer Head 48 days ago

Algorithms?


Not to mention the fact that articles are written and published to pit fans against each other.


Rather straightforward formula to get people like you excited.

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DG 48 days ago

That’s a really fair comment. Thank you.

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Chris Whitfield 48 days ago

Um, surely fans - whoever they may be - are also entitled to their opinions?

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Eric Elwood 48 days ago

As is the author.

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RW 48 days ago

Very true. Just because most fans feel passionately doesnt mean their opinions or views are aggressive. Also just because it is worded strongly, most fans wouldn’t want to break each other's necks over universally understood issues like the Boks are by far the best team, Rassie the best coach😜😂, or stuff like that.

Look at the players, they look like they fighting a war on the pitch but most if not all are best of mates off the pitch. So during the game, fans get worked up but afterwards we can really enjoy a cold beer, a lovely discussion and reminiscing.

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Ben 48 days ago

I get upset that nobody but Martin Johnson remembers Danie Gerber in their GOAT lists, but otherwise I don't compare or rate players, mainly because I'm not 12 years old. When I was 12, my dad could beat yours up. Gerrie Coetzee was better than Kallie Knoetze as he was a “technical boxer”, and Bruce Lee could beat up Muhammad Ali. Seems a little toadbrained for a grown man to hold these views, though, so I don't anymore.

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Red and White Dynamight 45 days ago

I saw Gerber play. IMO he is the GOAT 13 and also my Favourite Non-AB of Alltime.

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Leo Maywood 48 days ago

This was aimed at South African fans and as a South African I agree 100% with this writer. I post on many rugby forums under different names and can say that South African supporters are the worst. This is the sad truth. And no, it is not all the saffa supporters but sadly most of them. South African supporters are not humble in victory and sure as h3II can’t take a loss. Every country have their bad apples, South Africa just have a lot more of those.

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Hammer Head 48 days ago

Who needs enemies….

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DG 48 days ago

This was aimed at fans of any team who get too worked up over opinions. SA fans are certainly not alone.

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Alex 48 days ago

Great piece!! Thank you for sharing this one Daniel. Those that disagree with it hopefully will do something respectfully but may reveal themselves as oke if those nationalistic types lol.


Guscott made a fair point. There was never anything malicious or anti-bok in it, but a sharing of thoughts.

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FH 48 days ago

Great article. Just one point of view on Guscott’s article. I believe the top teams are much closer to each other these days. The days of a Southern hemisphere team heading up north and expecting a 100% win ratio is long gone. And that is great thing. As a South African I did not enjoy the All Blacks dominance when it was happening, but today I think back about the great players they had in that team. I see clips on YouTube every so often and then you realise just how good they were. What winds me up about the press is that they are already starting to compare Sacha FM (and he is very good, and I love the fact that he plays for my team) with Dan Carter. He is still a child…. Dan Carter had a 14 year career, played a 112 test matches for one of the most dominating teams the world has ever seen and he has won 2 World Cups. That is more World Cups than the Northern Hemisphere combined. How does a journalist write something like that. That is clickbait journalism. Same with Henry Pollock. I think the press should accept their responsibility in this social media mess.

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DP 48 days ago

Love how quickly the Irish “fans” jump into these Bok pieces. Still smarting at their teams capitulation and humiliation in Dublin. One thing is for certain, not one Irish player would make this Bok squad of 40.. not one. Not even Gibson Park - oh wait - he’s a Kiwi trussed up in green 🤣.


@DG - doing my bit to drum up some extra Rugby pass click bait for you bru.

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Hammer Head 48 days ago

100%


Funny how the same 2/3 trolls jump on every SA article.

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Eric Elwood 48 days ago

Amazingly, Ireland were still in that match until time ran out at the death. Therefore, no capitulation. Your desire that opponents are “Humiliated” speaks to the type of toxic “supporters” the article appears to call out.

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Alex 48 days ago

Lol @DP you're kinda proving the author’s point….

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DP 48 days ago

This Bok team is the greatest that has been and will ever be.

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Eric Elwood 48 days ago

Let’s call it as it is:


A sizable rump of South African online supporters are angry young men of low self esteem who attach the Spring Boks achievements to their own ego and attack others accordingly.

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Archibald 48 days ago

I have no idea what percentage of Irish online supporters are in that category, but I do know that you are.

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Red and White Dynamight 48 days ago

Soothsayer hits the bullseye.

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Eric Elwood 49 days ago

New Zealanders bristle at any suggestion that Richie McCaw’s All Blacks might already have been usurped. English, Irish and Scottish fans regularly inflate their World Cup chances. Italians and Argentinians share their displeasure at what they deem perpetual disrespect. Every nation has its pressure points, its sacred cows, its reflexive defensiveness. The Boks may have the loudest current chorus, but the hymn is universal.

Listen man, we know you are really talking about the nut-osphere that is the bulk of online Safa rugby supporters. But we will civicly play along in the ruse, so Mongo in the back seat, chewing his table and wearing the dunce cap gets the message!

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Archibald 48 days ago

Dang, turdflow, you just cannot lay off the SA supporters, can you? Try to be less of an *-hole, difficult though you may find it.

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Hammer Head 48 days ago

🧌

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DG 48 days ago

Nope. I was writing about all fans of any team who get too worked up over the opinions of columnists or the order of names on a list. I’ve seen plenty of All Blacks work themselves into a frenzy online. Boks fans certainly not alone.

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Leo Maywood 48 days ago

Exactly what I was thinking. He had to add NZ in the mix just to keep some saffas happy.

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Red and White Dynamight 48 days ago

Mongo, perfect description.

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Ed the Duck 48 days ago

Who or what is “Mongo”?

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Boddasaffa 49 days ago

In my opinion: Credit is not given when deserved, the commentators or pundits are looking to create or sensationalise everything creating animosity. As a former player win or lose we congratulated, shook hands and had a chuckle. If we lost there was a reason but we did not answer negatively we praised them and wondered where we went wrong.

Social media has given a voice to everyone that really is a no-one.

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Red and White Dynamight 48 days ago

when you write it down, does it feel more valid ?

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Ed the Duck 49 days ago

I was with you all the way DG, right up until “Irish and Scottish fans regularly inflate their World Cup chances.”. I mean seriously, how can you inflate none? Zero x anything is, well, zero!!!

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unknown 49 days ago

Nice article. But there’s no drama so probably won’t get much action.

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DG 49 days ago

To boost my numbers I’ll make sure I say something incendiary next week 😂

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Soliloquin 49 days ago

Nuanced discussion and alterity is still discussion, and not identity attack.

Thank you for that.


The amount of projection that is done onto rugby to escape from real life problems is staggering sometimes.

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RoyceCoolidge 49 days ago

Why are England, who have made for World Cup finals,put in the same bracket as also rans like the Irish and Scotch?

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Ed the Duck 49 days ago

Do you mean as in ‘scotch and soda’, are the Irish soda, or is that their bread?

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JPM 49 days ago

Thanks for such a refreshing article putting things into perspective.

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