'That's something he learned off Phipps, one of world rugby's best'
London Irish head coach Les Kiss has revealed the legacy of Ben White learning the Gallagher Premiership ropes under Nick Phipps last season. The former Australian scrum-half has since moved on from the English capital club to Japan, paving the way for the 24-year-old Scotland international to step up as the current first-choice in Declan Kidney’s top-flight team.
His third successive start on Saturday at Bristol – a try-scoring appearance that included a yellow card – is already one more start in the No9 jersey than he had last season with Phipps on the prowl, White starting just twice in his 17 Premiership appearances. But that 2021/22 campaign mostly sat on the bench wasn’t a waste for someone well used to playing second fiddle throughout his career up to now.
White originally came through the ranks at Leicester but his opportunities there were also limited, the half-back starting on 14 occasions in his 44 Premiership appearances before he opted to move south and join London Irish.
From the outside looking in, White enduring the same held-back-as-a-replacement experience that he had at Leicester could appear to have been a negative for him at Irish last term. However, Kiss told a very different story to RugbyPass, explaining that being the second choice to Phipps was an invaluable learning opportunity enthusiastically embraced.
“He was brilliant,” said Kiss about watching the development of White at Irish behind the then first-choice Phipps. “Ben just wants to be the best he can be and one of the parts he is brilliant at is he will do best for the team, whatever the team needs, and that is a real strength of his. I don’t think it kept him down, it just made him try harder but he also took some really important lessons from Nick.
“Nick last year just moved the ball quickly and that is where Ben has got to keep developing. Don’t wait for perfect pictures, just get the ball and send it quickly from the base, just get there and make that happen – and that is something he has learned off Nick Phipps who was one of the best in world rugby and has served our game well.
“That is what Ben took from it. He knows that he has to just play now, not wait for perfect pictures, and challenge the defence as much as he can. He is definitely a team player. He didn’t ride it in a negative sense, he just looked at it as an opportunity to grow and with someone like Nick, there was no better man to learn from for sure.”
Mention onfield chat, which is something Phipps was very well known for, how do White’s vocals measure up in the comparison? “The biggest thing that has developed is his talking,” reckoned Kiss. “He is not a quiet lad by any sense. In the locker room, he is very team driven but on the pitch, he has grown even more.
“We like our nines to be a part of the pack as well, just growing the understanding of you working for them and getting them to work for you but you have got to look after them, so he understands that and he is crucial in terms of reading pictures for space that we need to exploit off his foot as well.
“That is one of the big things on the pitch that has really developed in the last six months. He is a more direct, vocal guy on the pitch which we need because Nick, we couldn’t shut him up. We need all our nines to be busy with their voice and he has really developed in that area.”
White jumped to worldwide fame last February when his Test debut as a fleeting first-half HIA replacement for Ali Price resulted in him scoring a Guinness Six Nations try for Scotland – the “best ten minutes of my life” – that helped to tip the Calcutta Cup game with England their way. He went on to earn four caps in the tournament as a sub and the stride forward he then took as the starting No9 in the second July Test in Argentina wasn’t lost on club coach Kiss.
“He was in command of himself and his team as a nine. It’s funny, I love the French nines and the way they seem to play. I don’t want to say he was a French nine but he was a nine he needed to be and it was a blueprint about how well he is when he is on top of his game. He is still learning a lot but I am challenging him to nail the important moments all the time and you get that experience by being exposed at that level more and more.
“He is getting the start at the moment but we have got four good nines here that can step up for sure. He is getting the call at the moment and is managing it well. He has got a good kicking game and his big danger is his running game as well. He is a solid lad. When you are near him he is hard to hold down, when he gets going he is quite quick. It is an important period for him as he gets this start to be able to build.
“But being on a tour away in Argentina and playing with the Scottish team, I know Gregor (Townsend) pretty well so he has got him into a good place as well. He is getting these varied experiences after his time at Leicester and he is just going to grow better and more effective as we go along.
“We have had Caolan Englefield on the bench at this stage. Hugh O’Sullivan ran the team brilliantly the night (in the Premiership Cup). We have got Joe Powell back in a few weeks as he has got a slight little injury, so we have got some good cover there and they are working well together but Ben has got his chance at the moment and is doing well.”
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As long as New Zealand youth are involved in sport they are passionate for, and are well supported, it’s all good. I love league as well as rugby. NRL clubs have long since scouted the First 15 competitions, the NH and Japan scout super rugby and NPC. It’s a miracle there’s any players left for the all blacks to pick from.
4 Go to commentsI'm a Bok fan, so I don't say this lightly, but he is one of my all time favourite players. I am really going to miss watching him play. Thanks for many great memories. You are a true legend of the game.
3 Go to commentsBest way to deal with all of this is to play another game.
120 Go to commentsIt’s 12-15 games Luke. Ringrose has barely played in 2024 and Henshaw and Keenan have also been out for spells in the same time period. There are always injuries and for younger players to play with the likes of Barrett will be great for them. It’s just looking for negatives where there are none.
5 Go to commentsAndy Goode pushing his own agenda with very dubious considerations on refereeing performances. Luke Pearce speaking a bit of French doesn’t make him a good and adequate referee for the Champions Cup final; his latest refereeing performance in particular was not so great.
4 Go to commentsJordie knows that he has to earn the right to put on the jersey, whatever that jersey might be.
5 Go to commentsThe best outside centre in the world at one point. He will be greatly missed.
3 Go to commentsYip his great for the big moments when needed as a safa really enjoy watching him
4 Go to commentsOne that will start to come up from now on is penalties for back pushes during kick chase scrambles. Very difficult to detect. In Croke Park if you replay the Hendy NH try, you will see Furbank push Porter in the back, who collides with Larmour knocking the ball across into Hendy’s path to dot down. A more significant example was in the RWC QTR final where Arendse pushes Fickou into two other French players for the ball to spill into Arendse’s path for him to gather and run in to score SAs first try. Not cheating if you are not caught and very difficult to spot but with kicking becoming so critical I feel its an area that will referreeed/TMO-ed more.
4 Go to commentsWhat a pathetic little twit Andy Goode is, as if we care what he thinks…..😂
120 Go to commentsFoxy has been a wonderful player for the Scarlets and Wales.
3 Go to commentsNika the Georgian is the best referee in the world at the moment. Luckily we will be spared the shite SH refs and Barnes will hopefully remain retired given how shite and embarrassing he was at the RWC.
4 Go to commentsThis is the most exciting game of the summer imo, as we really won’t know in advance how both teams are going to play. - Will Robertson just reproduce his Crusaders tactics from last year, or will there be a conscious effort to borrow from the Hurricanes and Blues, and from the aspects of the ABs world cup strategy that worked well? - England under Borthwick have put in some good performances playing attacking rugby, and some good performances playing kick-oriented defensive rugby. Will Borthwick try to merge them together into a single all-court game, or will he continue switching between different approaches depending on the strengths and weaknesses of the opposition?
1 Go to commentsI’m predicting an aggregate points difference of no more than +/-10pts across both matches this series.
1 Go to commentsI’m predicting an aggregate points difference of no more than +/-10pts across both matches this series.
9 Go to commentsFinals are always tense affairs for the players so I do not expect this to be a spectacle of running rugby unfortunately.
4 Go to commentsBulls***': Ex-England international calls out Eben Etzebeth… Not to his face but from very far away… after he’d left. Checked to make sure he wasn’t in the building.
120 Go to commentsHopefully this will mean a new Auckland league team to support in the west. Big Warriors fan but it’s very, very stale on that front and I’d like the option of another team if it was to watch league again. League needs to step up BIG time if its to get anywhere, another AK team and something from the capitol or south is a must for the game.
4 Go to commentsGood, deep interview, nice job Frankie!
1 Go to commentsNRL players don’t have anywhere near the number of Tests. Some people would be happy having Rest Homes full if 40 yo ex-players walking, or hobbling more like it, into walls. It’s just a game!
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