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How ‘cut-throat’ Wallabies sparked hope for Australia’s rugby revival

Max Jorgensen of Australia celebrates scoring his team's fifth and winning try with teammates Tom Wright, Fraser McReight and Tate McDermott of Australia during the Autumn Nations Series 2025 match between England and Australia at Allianz Stadium on November 09, 2024 in London, England. (Photo by David Rogers/Getty Images)

Rugby World Cup winner Matt Burke has opened up on how a “cut-throat” Wallabies outfit was able to recapture the attention of a nation during their four-Test Spring Tour. Australia shocked England at Twickenham’s Allianz Stadium and dominated Wales during their tour up north.

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Len Ikitau and Mex Jorgsesen combined in the 84th minute for a match-winning try down the left edge as the Wallabies stunned Steve Borthwick’s England 42-37 in early November. It was an inspiring result that left Australian sports fans daring to dream of a potential grand slam.

The Wallabies backed up that performance with an emphatic 52-20 win over Warren Gatland’s Wales, who went on to finish the calendar year without a single victory. With two wins from two starts, there was a bit of a buzz about rugby union in Australia before another decisive Test.

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Australia and Scotland have played out a series of tightly-contested battles over the last decade, but unfortunately for the visitors, they wouldn’t repeat their heroics from 2022 by leaving Edinburgh’s iconic Murrayfield Stadium with a sought-after triumph.

After falling to Scotland, Australia’s international season came to a close with a three-point loss to world no. 2 Ireland in Dublin. But as Burke discussed, Australia was proud of the Wallabies’ performance up north, which sets the stage for the 2025 British and Irish Lions Series.

“It’s a bit different, isn’t it? This time last year it was two and four, or two and two I should say, two out of four,” Burke said on Sport Nation’s Scotty & Izzy. “There seems to be a little bit of a culture shift in amongst the team.

“About six weeks ago, seven weeks ago, I did an interview with Mike Cron who is obviously the forwards coach that Joe (Schmidt) brought across… he spoke very calmly, very succulently, and he basically said, ‘I had to take these guys back to go forward.’

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“It was the most intricate interview I’ve ever heard, and it was really interesting because he basically said, ‘I didn’t know these guys, I didn’t know their background… when I came from New Zealand… I knew their strengths and weaknesses.’

“I think the biggest difference is the forwards. You look at these guys now and they’re competing in those last four games in Europe.

“Scotland was a blowout… that was the old, ‘I think we’re going to win this game and yep it’s Scotland and oh my God what are they doing.’ They played well, they played good ball movement and that was the most disappointing part.

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“The exciting part was that finish of the England game and also putting to the throat the Welsh, finishing them off. Normally that would’ve been, for this team, a 30-20 game rather than the 50-20 game and I thought it was the most cut-throat I’ve seen them for a while.

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“In that last game against Ireland, you just need to be tough, don’t you? I think that’s what’s showed in that last tour, it’s pretty cool.”

Jorgensen’s try in the 84th minute against England will be replayed for years to come, with the youngster’s swan dive against the old foe speaking volumes about the significance of the score. You could see it on the faces of the players themselves, they had proved some doubters wrong.

Ikitau had thrown a pearler of a flick pass to send the winger flying down the left edge. As Jorgensen celebrated, Ikitau was embraced by new teammate Joseph-Aukuso Suaalii who received Player of the Match honours after a sensational debut in rugby union.

Suaalii is Rugby Australia’s marquee recruit ahead of the Lions Series and the Rugby World Cup. The 21-year-old impressed with the Sydney Roosters in the NRL, which saw him earn representative honours with Samoa and New South Wales in State of Origin.

Wallabies coach Joe Schmidt selected the code-hopper in the national squad before he’d played any professional rugby union at senior level, but that decision proved to be a masterstroke as Suaalii’s performance against England showed.

“It’s certainly turning,” Burke explained. “There’s a bit more, as they used to say, column inches in the paper. We’re seeing a flood on social media now, especially with Joseph coming across and that first game he played against England.

“I chat with a bit of radio boys here and they said, ‘Well he didn’t look like a rugby league bloke playing rugby union.’ I said that’s because he was a rugby union bloke playing rugby league. His background is in the 15-man game.

“He did well. He underplayed his role when he needed to, he stepped up when he needed to.

“I was at a lunch the other day, a rugby lunch the other day, and we were talking about the Lions Series next year and how many people are coming down… the Lions, because it’s so infrequent every 12 years, I think people forget how big it’s going to be.

“There’s going to be 40,000 people come down. It’s a calendar stop for those Europeans who want to follow their rugby… that’s huge in itself.

“People are talking about it, people are getting interested in it… it’s creating opportunity for people to have that conversation rather than being that sport that was on the low for so long.”

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Scott Robertson has to take charge of his All Blacks in 2025

Haha crap man I wouldn't know if SR has ever made a profit. ABs subsidize everything. Factors like SR clubs not paying 'for' their ABs etc, normal having a star would cost you 2 or 3x as much as a regular, but NZR covers all that in NZ. Pretty sure was the case for the other two partners too. I doubt even NZR knows the exact ratios sponsors like Sky/Adidas/AIG/Altrad/Investec give for local product.


No doubt SR used to make more money with the 3 partners, but of course it was also split 3 way. TBH I don't think its going to be much different (I think the new deal is still higher than before?). That last deal was bumper despite the comp being in decline, then SA left and the deal was probably worth even more for NZ? Can't recall how that played out I think Sky kept the agreemnt (fully). They'll be taking a big hit but it would be anything to do with the state of the game.


So when you say bleeding, you mean since around 2013/14 right? When SA'n and Aussie crowds finally stopped turning up to watch NZ smash them every week. So again, I was just stating your picture was wrong, and you've got the wrong causes, I don't disagree too much with the idea it's 'bleeding' though, id1ots were complaining about NZ sides getting a rough deal come final time for a loooong period and lots of other things that dragged the game down but on the field it just kept getting better and better. The problem is this nationalistic concept, that caught up on them (previously being the great driver for interest) and fans didn't care about the top four teams like every other sports competition in the world. They only cared about their local teams not winning.


No, SR wasnt optimal, which is what it was recommended to have just the SR Pacific comp instead. I'm not sure how much better things are now though. It needs time?


I know how I'd like to find equilibrium and it's much like what you propose. One big difference is I just don't think they need to cut SR. I would switch investment into an NPC/fully domestic scene + youth, like you, I'd just have like a much shorter SR season and I'd try and create a university scene rather than high school, that little extra age demographic matters a lot to investment/interest.


It's what the NRL can pay, and I think I heard it recently for someone in the spot light. I used it as a future figure more than anything though, the idea being these other leagues are only going to be more and more competitive, so much so they take away local talent before it can have a chance to develop. And once it goes they're unlikely to develop into the player they would have here. Not choosing a path that can compete will be a disaster imo. Thus the All Black decline.


I think don't think theres any reason your ideas can't work though, with maybe a added little flair here and there to drive some extra revenue. 20 is just a number to get a picture how many of top 60 might dissapear, it's nothing Id calculated. Think of it as an 'at any particular time' number.


In general I think people so quickly forget those that leave and all hope is placed on the next guy. Think that were talking top 4 or 5 in a position, there are a lot of positions that don't place much past the number 3. Look at Bell, theres no one he would be one of NZ top dozen hookers, numerous people would have left without getting a shot and the likes of Riccitelli or Eklund are obvious better. You've got first fives like Burke, Jordan, Falcon, Black, Plummer next year, Ioane Sopoaga, West who at any one time are going to be 3, 4, and 5 in NZ order. You've TKB, Smith, now Perenara, Weber, even Ruru is having a standout season and ALL would be better than the 3rd best local in Hotham or Christie. Now weve got last season statistical best full back leaving in Stevenson, he's joining Moorby and Rayasi, Bridge, and god knows who else who's having an awesome year that would break him into the All Blacks if it was in Super Rugby. Midfield is stacked when at home would be scratching around for guys like the Umaga-Jensen boys hoping they were fit to fill out 4 or 5th best 2nd5 and centers, when the likes of TJ Faiane, Nankiville, Seta, Aso, Fekitoa, Goodhue, Leicester, Ngani, even one of my fav Rob Thompson would be better than getting down to picks like Aumua, Ennor, McCleod, Tupea, and those that would have to come after them. We've got some of my fav loosies in Lachlan Boshier, Charlie Gamble, Whetu Douglas overseas, now Akira, never my talented players like.


I think your top 60 must have be a picture of the 36 man Crusaders squad plus a list of last years All Blacks! Obviously I've gone off track here as sure, these players leave a big whole but it's not one that NZ hasn't been able to fill in the past while maintaining quality SR sides (the periods when it was rocking), but there will be a time when loosing too many of those quality players has a much bigger impact than the already currently disillusioned SR fan can take.


Bottom line is Australia have far more talent and players that we do (statistically) and all that would need to have in the short term to fix your perceived problem with Super Rugby is trade some the best NZ players into the Aus sides. Simple, problem solved, competitive comp achieved.

cut off super rugby and stop the bleeding . put all the money back into the remaining competitions

Is too quick, many will see it as an opportunity to leave and that starts the very risky slope. You have to have a plan. Any change needs to be gradual and with a better future prospect, until then, voices like yours are only going to undermine any possible immediate success.

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