What Etzebeth said in private after Ireland loss shows where Boks are
Ireland may have come away with a 13-8 win over the world champions South Africa in their pool stage meeting on Saturday, but Andy Farrell’s side were unsuccessful in denting the Springboks’ confidence for the rest of the World Cup.
The top two sides in the world produced a pool stage match for the ages at the Stade de France, which brought all the physicality and ferocity one would expect from the best teams in the world. Despite being on the wrong end of the scoreline, the three-time champions’ confidence has not been shaken in their pursuit of retaining the Webb Ellis Cup.
Jim Hamilton gave an insight into how the Boks were feeling after the match on The Rugby Pod this week, where he revealed a conversation he had in private with Eben Etzebeth.
“Shall I tell you honestly what Eben Etzebeth said to me?” he said to Andy Goode and Andy Rowe. “I just said to him physical game, and he was like ‘we’ll get them again if they make it through.’ If they make it through, that’s what he said.”
This not only exhibits the supreme confidence that Etzebeth and his teammates have at this World Cup, but it also highlights what they think of Ireland’s chances of making it to the final (which is the only occasion where they could meet the Springboks again). Moreover, this perhaps shows what Etzebeth thinks of the All Blacks, who are now Ireland’s likely opponents in the quarter-finals.
Hamilton went on to discuss with Goode which team now has the psychological advantage for the rest of the tournament and whether the loss will affect Jacques Nienaber’s side mentally.
“You talk about the world champions,” he said. “You talk about the second best team, the top two best teams in the world, it’s the psychological part I don’t think affects South Africa. If they get the kicks at goal, if they get that lineout drive going at the end of the game and potentially a different referee, it looks very different. But Ireland have beaten them now. Ireland have beaten the All Blacks in a Test series. Ireland are Grand Slam champions. That’s the one and they’re not going to face them now until the final now.
“I think South Africa have this arrogance, and rightly so because they’re world champions, that they can beat anyone.”
Goode added: “I think that’s the South African mindset of ‘okay, listen, we lost to Ireland and they took it to us physically’ – they normally beast teams South Africa, but their mentality and mindset is always ‘right, that’s the challenge that has been set, let’s show them what South African rugby is all about.’ They’ll have no problem bouncing back from that, the South Africans, it will actually motivate them more, I reckon.”
On a personal level for Etzebeth, the 120kg lock suffered the ignominy of being picked up and held in the air by Ireland winger James Lowe, which Hamilton said he will feel “embarrassed” about.
“He’s looking at that and he’s embarrassed. He’ll feel embarrassed, he’ll be raging, because that’s the one image that’s come out of that game.”
Etzebeth is not the only person in the South African camp that remains unruffled after the loss in Paris though. Both head coach Nienaber and captain Siya Kolisi laughed off the question whether their side can still win the World Cup after the match, drawing inspiration from their pool stage loss to the All Blacks in 2019 before going on to win.
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It was the strangest result ever. Etzebeth should've been yellow card for his cynical retiring move and a penalty try. Birth second half tries by the Allblacks were fantastic and the TMO operating outside the law to rule out the first try was egregious. Yes, the boks got the win but it was through some bizarre officiating that allowed them to sneak home against 14 men that dominated them. The quieter Bok supporters know and acknowledge the Allblacks were the better and dominant side. Justifying the win because they beat a pre world cup Allblacks selection is silly.
204 Go to commentsA very English thing to do hey Courtney, blerrie kant
3 Go to commentsIt sounds like Andrew is trying to convince himself or has just lost all perspective. The team did look jaded for the last couple of games of the six nations but a few things were wrong there. Italy tackled their hearts out and made Ireland work hard for every try. Outsmarted by Scotland? Huh? Ireland got held up over the line about 4 times. Scotland did nothing on attack the whole game other than one breakaway near the end. A recharge and reset is needed which they hopefully will have had before the SA your.
7 Go to commentsIncluding SA and Argie teams was great for the quality of rugby, but middle of the night games and player travel/ jet lag make that unworkable. I think that SA in Europe and Argie building an American league with USA, Canada etc would be better long term. If Oz can't sustain Rebels then next cab off the rank should be a Japanese team. Keep regional comps to time zones, both club and test rugby. Then existing test windows for test tours plus RWC.
6 Go to commentsMisogynists have feelings too!
1 Go to commentsCrowd sizes of the URC v the Premiership must be a big factor.
1 Go to commentsWell you’ve made a proper tit of yourself, haven’t you! 😂
173 Go to commentsBen it's beyond their comprehension-
204 Go to commentsThanks Sam. Interesting read. Harder or easier for Parling to come into a completely new setup where performance was abysmal last time out? I’d suggest easier to be better but, as you suggest, will be a lot to do with how much latitude he’s granted. Hopefully all he needs. With hybrids like Holloway, Hannigan, Swinton and Leota as options at 6 we have the basics for a strong lineout. BPA returning means we have good options at 2 also with Faessler, Porecki and Uelese, although Jordan is a scrumming beast rather than a dart thrower. I’m typically a pessimist or realist but that’s never applied to the Wallabies
1 Go to commentsMad how this somehow contained absolutely zero information.
3 Go to commentsI’m looking forward to attending the Twickenham match, I don’t think it will have a bearing on the outcome of the grand prize itself but it will tell us more about each teams’ preparation and game plan. It’s hard to look past one of the big four (I’m including Canada) lifting the trophy in 2025 but sport is a curious thing, there will still be twists and turns in road ahead.
2 Go to commentsThe better side seems to be the losing side a lot these days. As far as narrative goes. Must be the big emergent culture of “participation awards” that have emerged in nanny states. ”It looked like New Zealand would take the game from there but lapses in execution let South Africa get back into the game. New Zealand’s goal kickers left five points out there, including a very make-able penalty on the stroke of half”. Sounds like a chronic problem… I wonder how the better team has lapses in concentration and execution? Or are those not important factors in the grand scheme of total performances? In 2023, the ABs at least didn’t give up a lead to lose. They just couldn’t execute to get the points and take the lead. This Baby AB result points to a choke - letting the game slip through your fingers. In the words of the great Ricky Bobby’s dad - “If you’re not 1st you’re last!” Loosely translated - if you didn’t win, you’re a loser.
10 Go to commentsWith Stuart Lancaster at the helm, Racing 92 looks more and more a mercenaries club like Toulon some years ago and they are not even performing despite all the money on offer.
4 Go to commentsCouple of things BS missed: wind was behind the Baby Blacks in the first half. Baby Boks got points from a scrum penalty in the final quarter against this ‘dominant pack’, and left three points on the park after a missed penalty.
10 Go to commentsSensible thoughts on this, Brett. Also worth considering we’ve sold 60k tickets for a game between the Rebels and the Lions next year. Got to be roughly $10m in ticket and game day revenue there.
6 Go to commentsUnsuccessful bitter ex Ulster player taking a pop shot at a side that isn't including his consistently poor mates up north
7 Go to commentsHis decision to play in France isn’t a petulant decision as this article suggests. I reckon that France is the perfect place to demonstrate that he can mix it in those battles Rassie references. It’s a good decision to try get into the squad. My personal opinion is that he wins more battles than he loses. I don’t have Rassie’s stats machine behind me, but Daymian’s is so strong moving through traffic and in the rip.
4 Go to commentsWow! Argie forward dominance is something I have not read in years….
1 Go to commentsIs the ‘snub’ really why he is leaving? He hasn’t said that has he? You don’t have to stay in SA to play for the Boks, so it’s not that he’s giving up on trying to get into the squad as the case would be in, say, England or New Zealand. Rassie made it clear that the early camps won’t feature all the players to play for the Boks this year so I can’t imagine Dayimani was too offended by being overlooked this time. It just seems like a sensationalist angle to take for a story without really knowing the player’s intentions.
4 Go to commentsWell, it is easily one of the best Irish sides, it’s just that their historical standard is very low.
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