Former All Blacks scrum coach implores immediate set-piece changes: 'You're putting your opponent at risk here, as well as yourself'
From the pre-engagement ‘Mexican stand-off’ to repeated resets, players, coaches and fans alike continue to be frustrated by the sheer volume of minutes killed in the game of rugby due to scrums.
Back in November, Ireland’s Autumn Nations Cup victory over Georgia was populated by a whopping 18 scrums that took almost 25 minutes off the clock – well over a quarter of the fixture.
Although the restart is one of the key elements of rugby, something needs to be done to stop endless scrum sequences from sapping time out of the game.
For former All Blacks scrum coach, Mike Cron, the solution to the problem is simple and doesn’t require extensive rule changes to fix.
“I agree that the scrum is taking too long,” Cron told RugbyPass. “I think the issue lies in the top 1 per cent of the people playing the game, and that’s in the professional area.”
Having worked as part of the All Blacks set up for 16 years, Cron oversaw preparations for over 210 tests, including two World Cup-winning campaigns in 2011 and 2015.
He was also involved in the World Rugby steering committee that amended the scrum laws to the pre-bind rule back in 2013.
“I think coaches have to understand this is a magnificent area to launch attacks off and score tries from,” he said.
“If you look at tries scored from scrums compared to under the old law, I know in the All Blacks, before that rule changed, we would hardly score tries from the first phase off scrums. There was always a free kick because it was always moving so much. You could never get top-quality ball.”
“And then all of a sudden, when the new law came in, scrums came to be the number one area where we would score tries from – not lineouts or turnovers.”
But it still takes far too long for the ball to get back in play once the referee has called for the restart, and in Cron’s eye’s, the first issue lies with the officials.
“It’s the ref,” he said. “At this top-level, their heartbeat could be up to 200 beats per minute at certain stages, so all of a sudden the ref blows the whistle, makes a mark in the ground and says scrum time.
“No one’s in a rush. You’ve got 16 guys looking at each other, waiting for someone to start the process. They’re all trying to suck the big ones in.”
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In Cron’s view, there needs to be a greater onus on referees to end the time-consuming standstills that happen before a scrum.
“In a perfect world, I would say that from when the referee blows his whistle and says ‘Scrum; black ball,’ both packs have 10 seconds to start the process of getting formed up – and ten seconds is not quick.
“In training, quite a lot of the time I’d train four seconds. I’d walk along, make the mark, and say ‘You’ve got four seconds to get yourselves set-up’. So ten seconds is plenty of time. It gives the players time to get a couple of big breaths in.
“You are then reducing the time where we have this Mexican stand-off, as I call it.”
Referees already have a responsibility to penalise any team that fails to get set-up within 30 seconds of the scrum being called but we rarely see the law being enforced. For Cron, referees need to crack down harder on teams who are slow to the mark.
Cron’s second proposal would see referees taking 30 seconds off the clock for every scrum that takes place.
“So you’ve got two minutes to go in a game, and you have a scrum. The opposition, if they were trying to count the clock down, could take forever to get set up,” said the Kiwi.
“Then, say for instance there’s a collapse, the referee stands them up, gives them a talk, and then resets it, there’s your two minutes up.
“Whereas, if at every scrum there’s a maximum of 30 seconds off the clock, so if there’s a collapse, the ref stands them up, talks to them and has another reset; there’s no problem if it takes two minutes as only 30 seconds comes off the stop clock.”
That would stop teams from slowing the clock down and give attacking teams comfort knowing that they’ll still have another minute and a half left to score once the ball is out.
Of course, that wouldn’t necessarily stop players from collapsing the scrum and forcing the achingly familiar chain of resets that frustrates spectators.
Many law changes have been proposed to stop players from collapsing the scrum, including using specialist scrum referees or limiting the number of resets teams can have at the scrum before a free kick or penalty is awarded.
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But for Cron, implementing further rule changes would be “just putting the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff.”
“I’ve always said this with World Rugby. What we need to do is look at, say, cricket for instance.”
The New Zealander likened the situation to where players with an illegal bowling action are put on notice.
Otherwise known as ‘chuckers’, players who throw the cricket ball rather than bowl with a straight arm, will have their bowling action assessed by an independent committee and will be suspended until they can correct their technique.
The responsibility is then between the player and the coaches to correct their action before they can play again.
And Cron argued rugby should employ a similar off-field watchdog, or scrum judiciary, who can scrutinise all the skullduggery and poor technique that goes on in the scrum.
“They can then get hold of the coach saying, ‘Your player is dangerous, you’ve got to correct it,'” he said. “We need to stop continually trying to change rules. You can’t keep trying to change rules to adapt for people who either have poor technique or have the wrong attitude to it. Let’s fix it before it gets to it.
“I’m all for technical dark arts, no problem with that at all. But there’s no place for dangerous stuff. You’re putting your opponent at risk here, as well as yourself, and there’s no place for that.
“For me, if any collapsed scrum happened at training, all forwards did a ten-metre army crawl on their stomach just using their elbows. There has to be a consequence for collapsed scrums.
“Poor technique or perhaps someone has decided to roll their shoulder in the front row to get out of pressure. Well, sorry, we can’t have that. And if you coach them like there is a consequence at training because there is a consequence in a game.”
“I think all coaches at scrums need to take a little bit of responsibility in the professional era.”
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Well, it is easily one of the best Irish sides, it’s just that their historical standard is very low.
2 Go to commentsThe Irish side is good. They have lost 2 games in the last 23 tests. In the last 12 months they have have a 60% win rate against the top 5 sides in the world. Over the same period south africa have a 67% win rate against the top 5 teams, and New Zealand are at 40%.
2 Go to commentsOnly 1247 days until RWC 2027 starts Bin Smuth🤣Can’t wait to see how unhinged you’re still gonna get between now & then
200 Go to commentsany chance either team will improve on their u20 world cup performances this time around? I assume both sides will be deeply disappointed with how things went.
6 Go to commentsAnother poor articles by a poor journo, nothing new from Ben, at least you are consistently bad lol, geez I will try and watch the match later, clearly Benny was only looking to one end of the pitch, hard to tell whom the Baby Blacks were playing if it wasn’t in the header 😄😄
7 Go to commentsNz should have won. I didn't watch the game, but the ref was at fault and the bounce of the ball and the Bokke used the Bomb squad and the Bokke slow the game down and the Bokke scrum. They should remove the scrum. The Bokke are to strong. Not fair. Nz should have won
7 Go to commentsProbably the worst article on a rugby match I have ever read
200 Go to commentsWho hurt this man.. LoL 😭
200 Go to commentsIt unfortunate for the Jaguares that they became formidable just as super rugby as we knew came to an end. However, the idea of bringing them back is nonsensical. While I enjoyed the Jaguares and the South African flavour of the comp, a selling point of this incarnation of super rugby is that all games are on a decent time for an Aussie audience.
3 Go to commentslol that’s your opinion Ben, All Blacks benefited from a forward pass try, SA played 77 min without a recognised hooker, missed a no try conversion and a penalty could have would have but didn’t
200 Go to commentsBrett, from my distant perspective, I hope you get to keep the Rebels. Any ideas of teams from Japan or Argentina are just crazy. Won’t happen. If you look at logistics, it is much easier to get to LA from Auckland, Brisbane, Melbourne or Sydney than to Buenos Aires. All with direct non-stop daily flights. You may even get some “gringos” to watch the games, with some younger players compared to Giteau and Nonu who still “play” in the area. I think it is virtually impossible to get a competitive Argie team for SR. All Pumas are in Europe, almost all second tier players are also in Europe. Fringe players are in South American pro rugby tournament (and many still in the MLR!) but these players who might be most interested in joining a new Jaguares do not have the skills to compete. As I have been saying since the Jaguares joined, they should have had TWO teams to make logistics for visiting teams better and Argie player development improved as well. Jaguares/Pumas was not ideal. But this is where Pichot and his cronies did not think long enough. Further the country with he new president “No hay Plata” Milei is in a very difficult situation. Galperin, the richest man in Argentina owns the Miami franchise of MLR. I don’t think you can get him to invest in Argentina. Actually, he played rugby himself. He was a fly half. He is worth around $6 billion!
3 Go to commentsWell done Baby Boks we will take the Draw. No 9 senseless long passes in those conditions. let’s move on and hope for some good weather
7 Go to commentsHow did it end a draw. South Africa didn’t score any points as far as I can see
7 Go to commentsNo doubt this will be a fantastic occasion and I plan to be there, but I think the bean counters have won out over the rugby brains. In my opinion, it is foolhardy to give the Black Ferns the experience of playing in front of 60,000+ at Twickenham a year before they might be playing there in a World Cup Final. Better to play France at Twickenham and Black Ferns at Kingsholm. The difference in takings would be miniscule.
1 Go to commentsDom kant
200 Go to commentsBen is a little incel desperately trying to stir the pot and stay relevant. We used to get mad at his articles. Now we just feel sorry for him
200 Go to commentsPerhaps we may need to put an asterisk on NZ’s ‘87 WC win since the Boks weren’t there. You know, just as a reminder. Poor Ben Smith. Go cry somewhere else.
200 Go to commentsNz should have won. I didn't watch the game, but the ref was at fault and the bounce of the ball and the Bokke used the Bomb squad and the Bokke slow the game down and the Bokke scrum. They should remove the scrum. The Bokke are to strong. Not fair. Nz should have won
6 Go to commentsThanks for a much more balanced piece Ned and not that BS that Bin Smuth just posted a short while ago. read this article and then Bin Smuth’s and tell me there isn’t a huge difference🙄
6 Go to commentsWere the Baby Boks part of this game or did the Baby Blacks play themselves?🤔 That man Bin Smuth once again does a little write-up on the game and it is like 95% about the Baby Blacks🤣 Glad he ends off with the Baby Blacks were actually in cruise control for most of the game and weren’t actually playing for the win WTF🤣🤣 Maybe he was expecting the Baby Blacks to run rampant….
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