'Not every player is going to have brain health issues and not every person with early onset dementia played rugby'
When Conrad Smith hung up his battered size 11 adidas boots, he could have chosen to do pretty much anything he wanted.
A 94-cap All Black, and routinely in the conversation for the best player ever to wear the No 13 shirt, Smith could have headed into finance, coaching or even politics, but what nagged away at him was an intrinsic desire to give back to the game that had given him so much and allowed him to pinball around the rugby world for 15 years.
His final days as a rugby player were spent in the shadows of the Pyrenees, playing for Pau in the Top 14 and savouring the laid-back French way of life, where the State does a nifty line in post-rugby benefits.
Speaking to RugbyPass from New Plymouth, where he has relocated with his family, Smith had always had an interest in player welfare and was au fait with the workings of the New Zealand RPA throughout his illustrious career, in which he was a double-World Cup winner. “I have a legal background, so I was already leaning towards going a bit deeper in the game. As a player, you see the contractual side of things, but I wasn’t overly drawn to the commercial side. What pulled me into the IRPA (International Rugby Players Association) fold was a sense of wanting to be part of a cause I believed in. Whether I’d played rugby or not was immaterial. As a personality, it was something I wanted to do. When it comes to the players, I’ve always wanted to help, and in my playing days, I was able to explain certain legalese to players who didn’t understand finer details as much as I did.”
Smith did, in fact, try his hand at a bit of coaching with Pau, which he enjoyed, but knew that player-welfare was the type of work I wanted to do. Now 40, Smith is head of player welfare for the organisation. “I’m not saying I’m going to do it forever, but it is certainly motivating me at the moment,” he smiles.
Rugby is in something of a bind at present. Emerging from the catharsis of the pandemic, riven by legal disputes over brain injury and perpetually locked in internecine battles over the global calendar, to the common bystander it feels like the game is having an existential crisis, yet Smith says this navel gazing is nothing new.
“You always get criticisms about the state of the game. I was speaking to a bunch of ex-players who’d played in the Seventies. They were bemoaning the quality of play and I had to stop them, and say, ‘how can you criticise play, I used to watch you playing games that ended 9-6. These days, at least tries are scored, and it’s faster-paced. They had to say, ‘ah okay, fair point’.”
The former All Black says rugby is facing up to its issues because it cares about its players. “As a game, we are trying to do the right things around head contact and protecting players. We are having to walk the line of what law changes influence the entertainment package we offer. If I can use the rugby league example, they have had more head impacts in that game, but fiercely defend the entertainment factor, and they aren’t doing as much as union. They say, ‘we’ve still got a great product’ but I look at them and think, the people in charge must feel a sense of responsibility towards the players. That’s the road rugby union has chosen to go down.”
Smith furrows his brow and accepts that it is simply not possible to keep every stakeholder happy. “Some will say, ‘you’re not going far enough in your laws, there are still head impacts, while at the other end, you still have people saying, ‘stop tinkering, there’s too many stoppages, too many cards, this isn’t the rugby we grew up with’. The game is trying to protect players and while trying to negate any impact on the game. Often these are 51-49 decisions and the only bellwether of public opinion we have is social media which doesn’t offer balance. It’s opinionated, divisive, emotive and in real-time. Someone must sit in the middle and make a call, and that’s World Rugby.”
In his role, Smith is regularly in dialogue with Test level players. What constantly impresses him is how engaged they are with their physical and mental health. “I get the impression some people think players just blindly follow any instructions they’re given and just want to play but it couldn’t be further from reality. I’m pleasantly surprised how curious they are. I often give away more information than I intended because the players are desperate to be part of the decision-making process and how the game is run.”
One of the most polarising issues facing rugby right now is brain injuries and how to deal with them. Smith isn’t immune to the discourse being played out in public. “I do believe there is evidence to suggest there is a link between head contacts in rugby and health issues later in life and there is no doubt this is the biggest challenge for the game and all contact sports. Indeed I spend the majority of my time on this issue, so I take it very seriously.”
However Smith also believes some balance is required. “Not every rugby player is going to have brain health issues and not every person with early onset dementia played rugby. I’ve had my fair share of concussions, so I share and understand their fears but when you talk to doctors, their reaction isn’t, ‘this only affects rugby’. They know there are hundreds and thousands of people who have never played the game who have had early-onset dementia but because it’s our rugby family and cases are highlighted in the media, cases feel closer to home. The medical profession says, ‘it is a disease that is much bigger than rugby’, and if you look at the figures, most early Alzheimer’s sufferers are female and very low numbers have actually played contact sport. I know it’s a frustration in the medical profession that we make this continual link.”
Smith says research is still ongoing. “The governing body are spending a lot of money on research and that is to be lauded. When you look at the raw data, you know that these neurological diseases are far bigger than rugby and contact sport.”
As part of the same conversation, player load is also being scrutinised with some Test players, for example, England’s Freddie Steward, crossing the 30-game mark this summer. “As the season has got longer and the rugby more physically demanding, we’ve been trying to find the sweet spot. We’ve bandied round the 30-game mark, but players are all different. I’ve had seasons where I played 30 games, managed myself and I’ve felt alright but cumulatively, maybe I started to feel a bit leggy following season. We’re at the stage where we’re having to rely on the research and science. Workload in a training week and what the body is going through is being closely monitored. As soon as we have something definitive, we can add more weight to the argument. The problem is we’ll have to go to unions, clubs who are investing millions and try and convince them to play the players less.”
The former Hurricanes midfielder says he is confident, that as rugby evolves, it can reduce the amount of games played by its stars and still and boast a competitive Test window and attractive club competitions.
“Things are changing, and public pressure is influencing decisions made by coaches and everyone within the game. Concussion is being taken a lot more seriously. I’ve been around the game for a long time, and in my experience, the doctors I’ve dealt with have always been super-professional, but I couldn’t say the same about coaches and other players, and they’d say the same themselves, because there simply wasn’t the same level of education and data there is now. As soon as we get some credible science, and research and some university backed data, maybe in the next couple of years we’ll be able to tell if a player plays x-number of games, he is putting himself at more danger of risk. I’m just speculating at this point, but personally, I think that’s where we’ll get to. It’s what the game needs.”
As for player care in-game, Smith says there have been big strides made. “The fact Tom Curry, Maro Itoje, Tomos Francis and Garry Ringrose were sent home during the summer tests was encouraging. You could argue that that wouldn’t have been the case a few years ago and a lot of that is down to public pressure. I believe that as a result of all the research being done, there will eventually be a number of recommendations for the sport to minimise the risk of head impact and head injuries. I am hypothesising here but one such recommendation could be that every player has a period of three months without contact every calendar year. This, personally, is something I’d love to see happen. When we’ll get to that stage, who knows? I know there’s a heap of research coming through about training load compared to match load. For instance, if you talk about G-forces and contacts, training rarely, if ever, reaches match intensity. Hopefully that will be in the next 12-18 months.”
With increased focus on safety, and the consequent lowering of the tackle height, games are regularly punctuated with yellow and red cards, leading to friction with referees from players, coaches and watching fans. It is something that doesn’t surprise Smith. “Players will always be frustrated with laws that don’t reflect the reality of the game. For instance, if they feel like they didn’t have a chance to react or drop their body height and they get refs telling them something that’s not realistic, they’ll vocalise their displeasure. In saying that, regarding the focus around head contact, if it’s going to help them and the game reduce the number of concussions or HIAs, then players are all for it. There are tough decisions on giving out cards they don’t agree with but if the bigger picture is making the game safer, they will largely back it.”
Changing the minds of the coaches is a tougher sell because they’re so focused on winning. The ‘win at all costs’ mentality means their criticisms are a lot louder than the players, in Smith’s experience. “Talk to the players away from the coaches and they’re a lot more understanding. That’s a big part of our role. We are constantly talking to referees and World Rugby to help them understand the subtle nuances of a fast-evolving game and how to build laws around it, and that’s not easy.”
Away from the field of play, Smith still says player care is still massively under-resourced but that in years gone by, it barely existed. “The whole idea of looking after retired players is the area I spend a considerable amount of time on. Even player associations have faced this problem because we look after current Test internationals. You see, when you retire you’re no longer a member but conversely the needs of retired players are even greater. They’re often forging a new career; a new identity and the reality is some of them face mental health issues. As a sport, we are way behind the curve.”
An online process, where any player in the world can access and get the information they need is underway but it’s still a little way away, Smith says. “Like any industry, there is a lot of worry out there. Players want to get heard. They want someone to speak to. They’re not asking for a one-to-one, bespoke service, but want more than they get right now.”
With hundreds of players not finding new contracts this year, there are players out there who are struggling not only financially, but also for a purpose. “The toughest time is just after they retire. Some expect to get into a coaching role because that’s all they’re qualified to do, but there aren’t many roles to go round. I can tell you, in New Zealand, there are lots of All Blacks coaching in high school’s right now!”
That deep-seated desire to make rugby a better vocation for the next generation of rugby internationals drives Smith. “The thing I’m most passionate about is the idea that there is a support network for players when they leave the game. They love the game of rugby, not just the 80 minutes we see them play. They love the sense of community, the individuals involved and that doesn’t stop when they lace up their boots for the last time. They need to have a designated pathway to a happy retirement. We don’t want to just pick up those who’ve reached their nadir; the gambler, or the alcoholic. Finishing the game is difficult at every level, from the superstar to the journeymen players. I’m doing this job because I want to make a difference.”
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The Chiefs definitely didn’t win ugly. They had the superior scrum, a dominant lineout, and their defence was excellent once the Waratahs scored their two tries (thanks to some lucky refereeing calls mind you). They put pressure on the Waratahs lineout throughout the game, and the mind boggles as to why the referee did not award a yellow card or a penalty try against the Waratahs for repeated scrum infringements on their own try line before Narawa’s first try. And the Chiefs were slick with their passing and running angles on attack. It was a dominant performance all round, even with many questionable refereeing decisions.
1 Go to commentsWasnt late. Ref 2 assistants andTMO all saw it so who are you to say it was?
3 Go to commentsAre the Brumbies playing the Blues twice in a row?
3 Go to commentsBig difference from the Saders. Forwards really muscled up and laid a solid platform. Scooter brought some steel and I liked the loosie combination. Newell has been rather disappointing this season but stepped up big time - happy also to see Franks dot down. He should do that more often! Reihana had a good game and there seems to be more flair and invention with him in the saddle. McNicoll plays well from the back and is reliable plus inventive when he joins the line. Keep it up chaps!
3 Go to comments🤦♂️🤣 who cares who’s the best . All I know is the All Blacks have the star coach but have few star players now …
30 Go to commentsJe suis sûr que Farrell est impatient de jouer avec Lopez et Machenaud et d’être entraîné par Collazo… 🤭
1 Go to commentsAn on field red (aka a full red) in SRP must surely carry a bigger suspension than a red card given by the bunker as that carries a 20 minute team punishment. Had Damon Murphy abdicated his responsibility as a ref and issued both Drua players a yellow, which would have been upgraded to a 20 minute red by the bunker, that would have killed Australia and New Zealand’s push for the 20 minute red to be trialled globally from July this year.
11 Go to commentsEver so often you all post a Danny Care story that isn’t the announcement that he has finally re-signed for one more, victory tour season at Quins and I’m just like, “well you fooled me again!” My absolute favorite player ever, we need to make his final year at the Stoop (and Twickers) official already. I know he supposedly snubbed France but I won’t feel better until he signs.
1 Go to commentslate hit what late hit it wasn’t at all late and can clearly see he was committed before the tackle
3 Go to commentsChristian Lio -Willies 2 try perfomance was a standout. As was captain Scott Barrett. Up front was where the boys won it.They are a great team and players. Fantastic Crusaders , you can keep going.
3 Go to commentsI don't know how the locals feel about that? I guess if you call yourselves the Worcester Wasps that might be appease. But really we need more teams in the Premiership in my view so they are not padding it out as they are at the moment. It might curtail so many players going abroad as well
5 Go to commentsNZ 😭😭😭is certainly rivaling England for best whingers cup!😭😭😭 !!!
30 Go to commentsYup. New Zealand won 3 out of 10 world cups played. SA 4 out of 8 attempts 30 Vs 50 per cent.🤔🤔
30 Go to commentsShould've done this years ago. Change Saturday kick off times to around 11am. Up and off and back home before 3pm, limit travel time too. Allows players to actually do something else with their Saturday that's family oriented or being rugby fans they could ‘watch’ pro rugby. Increases crowds etc. How can anyone that enjoys grassroots and pro rugby have to choose between the two on Saturdays?
9 Go to commentsI bet he inspired those supporters just as much.
1 Go to commentsBen Smith Springboks living rent free in his head 😊😂
67 Go to commentsGood to hear he would like to play the game at the highest level, I hadn’t been to sure how much of a motivator that was before now. Sadly he’s probably chosen the rugby club to go to. Try not to worry about all the input about how you should play rugby Joey and just try to emulate what you do on the league field and have fun. You’ll limit your game too much (well not really because he’s a standard athlete like SBW and he’ll still have enough) if you’re trying to make sure you can recycle the ball back etc. On the other hard, you can totally just try and recycle by looking to offload any and everywhere if you’re going to ground 😋
1 Go to commentsThis just proves that theres always a stat and a metric to use to justify your abilities and your success. Ben did it last week by creating an imaginary competition and now you did the same to counter his argument and espouse a new yardstick for success. Why not just use the current one and lets say the Boks have won 4 world cups making them the most successful world cup team. Outside of the world cup the All Blacks are the most successful team winning countless rugby championships and dominating the rankings with high win percentages. Over the last 4 years statistically the Irish are the best having the highest win rate and also having positive records against every tier 1 side. The most successful Northern team in the game has been England with a world cup title and the most six nations titles in history. The AB’s are the most dominant team in history with the highest win rate and 3 world cups. Lets not try to reinvent the wheel. Just be honest about the actual stats and what each team has been good at doing and that will be enough to define their level of success.
30 Go to commentsHow is 7’s played there? I’m surprised 10 or 11 man rugby hasn’t taken off. 7 just doesn’t fit the 15s dynamics (rules n field etc) but these other versions do.
9 Go to commentsPick Swinton at your peril A liability just like JWH from the Roosters Skelton ??? went missing at RWC
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