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'No-one gave South Africa stick for winning the World Cup but they played a pretty defensive set-piece, kicking based game'

Test rugby in the northern hemisphere is currently in the dock for being dull and unentertaining, but ex-England skipper Dylan Hartley believes the prevailing trend in Europe was started last year at the World Cup in Japan by the Springboks. 

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Rassie Erasmus’ South Africa fought their way to glory with a restrictive game plan but while their win over England in the World Cup final was widely acclaimed, European countries are now being heavily criticised for copying that low frills template set by the Springboks.

Appearing as co-host with ex-Wales midfielder Jamie Roberts on the latest RugbyPass Offload show, Hartley suggested the current lack of entertainment isn’t a trend that has only materialised in recent weeks with the conclusion of the delayed 2020 Six Nations and the one-off Nations Cup.

“I engaged with a few fans post-game on Twitter,” said Hartley, referencing the low frills England win over Wales last Saturday in Llanelli.  

“No-one gave South Africa stick for winning the World Cup but they played a pretty defensive set-piece, kicking based game. I was thinking why is everyone playing the way they are now? Is it because South Africa won the World Cup they almost set the trend for the next six months, the next year?

Roberts replied: “My issue with this is as a professional sport, as a game, we have a duty to entertain. Rugby has to ask itself who are those people they want to entertain? Is it the usual rugby demographic we are aware of, middle-age man, loves going to the game with his mates, enjoys the intricacies of the game, the scrum, the maul, the kick pressure game, or do we want to bring on board more younger fans? 

“If the answer is the latter then the game needs to adapt and change. If it’s the former and we just want to keep the traditional fans happy we can carry on with the way things are, but if rugby wants to attract new audiences it needs to evolve. If I put myself in an 18-year-old’s shoes now, I probably wouldn’t watch any game.”   

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Hartley suggested it comes down to substance over style and that winning matters most. “Imagine being a coach, a DOR somewhere, are you worried about playing entertaining rugby or are you worried about the form sheet and seeing a W next to your team every weekend?

“I look at Northampton, they seem to play this nice brand of rugby but they are on the wrong side of results at the moment. Fans are pretty quick to say want this style of rugby and then you give them this style and you don’t get the result, it’s like the coaches need to go. 

“So from a professional point of view, and this is where I side completely with what Eddie (Jones) does, it is all about the result. Do what you have got to do to win because people are ultimately going to be happier to follow a winning team, not a team that plays a nice style of rugby but loses every week.”

Roberts took up the baton again. “It’s a conundrum the game needs to solve. But the point you are making, we are talking about winning rugby is boring rugby so there is no reward in the risk of adventure in playing. 

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“Teams don’t want to do it because they are worried about the risk of getting turned over, being too loose… teams don’t want to take that risk and because there is no reward in doing it we are not seeing entertaining rugby. It’s fascinating and whether World Rugby makes any changes remains to be seen but for me, rugby has to decide whether it wants to cater for its traditional audience or it wants to attract some new fans to the game.” 

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Carlos 14 minutes ago
Is the overlap dying in modern rugby?

So I apologize upfront for commenting on multiple articles by you. Between the very close fires (in LA) and being away for the funeral of my mom-in-law, it has been quite difficult.


First on your scrum issue. When the "coordinated push" (bajada for the heathens) was introduced, many teams tried to compete with SIC (the primary club using it), by going "mano-a-mano" in fronting as low as possible. It was a disaster. SIC continued to dominate scrummaging by coordination, not brute strength, and their scrummaging prowess affected the way they played. The scrum became a weapon. It wasn't for a few years that teams figured out that forcing SIC to form higher and not engage in lower, was a better tactic. The rugby union also passed laws where the hooker could not use the head to "hook" the ball (yes, that is how low they formed), and forcing the front row to go higher defused some of the strength. But the coordinated push is basically the same thing that all teams do now, with some slight nuances. The hooker doesn't hook, etc. Maybe other teams should force to go higher and not compete lower...


On Wales, I was lucky to see JPR in 1968 when he first toured, to Argentina. Interestingly, those games are still (still?) available on YouTube to watch. The intro is done very close to where I sat as a 10 year old, but I couldn't find myself. I then saw Wales again in '78, in Twickenham, under a torrential downpour, behind the posts, surrounded by drunk and wet delightful Welsh fans who wanted me to drink with them.


The famous Lions/AB game shows quite a few examples of what you are mentioning here, Nick.


Anyway, I forgot what else I was going to say. I'm so tired. I'll get back.

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David Crossley 3 hours ago
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Agree, the issues are layered and multi-faceted. While many pundits like to beat up on RC, they seem to forget that the men's game has been declining for many years. Our last reasonable showing at the WC was over a decade ago and any hopes of returning will only occur when they expand the number of teams.


Women's game is a shining light (sevens and 15s), however, with its growth in Top tier nations comes with lots of financial and now fan support (look at PWR in England), the women are following the old pattern that the men did in 90s and 2000s with many of the top players playing out of country. That will not ensure a strong domestic development program.


One area that seems to be ignored is the Grassroots development. Based in British Columbia, our grassroots numbers are only just now recovering from COVID and growth at the base is slow and not helped that many school-based systems are disappearing. A number of BC clubs are supporting growth thru robust youth programs, however, many are stuck in the old days when players came to them without little or no community involvement from the club. We cannot afford that pattern anymore. If clubs do not take on a more active role the development of athletes throughout the pathway programs, we are destined to continue the slide. If a club does not male and female pathways from minis to senior, you have ask WHY NOT? Game will not grow unless they begin that transition. In my club we have male and female pathways from minis to senior along with feeding our local university with players as they graduate - resulting in450-500 registered athletes. If we can do it, why do so many clubs in BC only produce senior teams (many with imports from abroad) with limited youth programs?


Seems simple, build the base and upper levels will be better supported (athletes, resources, funds, opportunities for sponsorship). It just takes focus, effort and prioritization.

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