'Gengey wasn't happy': The reason Joe Marler adopted an emergency position at England scrum training last week, and it wasn't at prop
Joe Marler has revealed he had to adopt an emergency position at England scrum training during the Autumn Nations Cup campaign. The loosehead hasn’t been capped since last March’s Six Nations win over Wales at Twickenham.
However, ahead of Sunday’s Nations Cup final versus France, Marler has revealed he was used to add his weight in a temporary England second row in partnership with Joe Launchbury.
Apparently, Ellis Genge grew tired of not getting sufficient weight from behind from back row Jack Willis, who had been helping out at lock during scrum practice leading into last weekend’s win over Wales in Llanelli.
That led to Marler, who was standing unused on the sideline, being rushed in to replace Willis and calm Genge’s fears about what was unfolding at the England training ground set-piece.
The Marler revelation was unveiled when he made a guest appearance on the England Rugby podcast in the company of host Dylan Hartley, the retired former England captain and hooker, and his fellow loosehead Mako Vunipola, who has withdrawn from Sunday’s final versus France due to injury.
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Vunipola was Eddie Jones’ first choice No1 this autumn in three of the four matches, with Genge providing bench cover, and he was due to start again versus the French before an achilles injury ruled him out. Genge will now start with Marler providing cover off the bench.
During their podcast appearance, what unfolded with the three front row forwards was a fascinating insight into the dynamics of the front row, a discussion sparked by Hartley asking the loosehead pair had they seen the scrum change during their long careers?
MAKO VUNIPOLA: It has changed in terms of you have to got do more than set-piece. It’s not changed in you are only ever judged on set-piece. Everything is the scrum and lineout and if you can’t do that you can’t play pretty much. But what is expected of you is not just to do that, you have to get around the pitch and do your other bits as well. That is probably the biggest difference, there is more emphasis on everything else you do but nothing has changed in terms of unless you get the scrum right won’t play.
JOE MARLER: How much the scrum has changed as well, you look back at some of those scrums ten years ago when we first started.
MV: Do you remember when we crouch, touch, pause, engage?
JM: Oh my god, and it would be like a metre-and-a-half run up into it.
DYLAN HARTLEY: It is a lot safer now, the changes have made it a lot safer and a lot more technical whereas back in the day it was crouch, touch, hold, engage, there wasn’t even a pause there. Fly into that gap and good luck, the heaviest and biggest team wins basically.
JM: It was carnage.
DH: What do you love about scrummaging or is it something you have got to do? Do you love it?
JM: I love it. I love it because it is one of the few opportunities in a game that is like a controlled skill where you are one on one and eight on eight and only you and your front row and the opposition front row can affect things here rather than someone running too quick. It’s that sort of head-on head battle with the opposition.
MV: It’s the only one really. The only one where you are going head to head to beat your opposition.
DH: I love how you are saying it is like a closed skill effectively, but it is like a collective closed skill. Everyone looks and front row and when there were scrum pens left, right and centre all everyone talks about in comms is the front row. So just like when a lineout goes wrong, it’s the hooker, when a scrum goes wrong, it’s the front row. But can you give an insight into the collective, how you rely on everyone around you?
JM: During the week we had scrum training and we were shy of a second row and they put, was it Jack Willis? Yeah, last week it was Tom Curry who got binned out of the second row and this week it was Jack Willis and Gengey was not happy. He was right I’m not getting enough here and I was spare and he said Marler have you got your 21s on? I went yeah and he said get behind me. So there was me and Joe Launchbury in the second row.
DH: That’s a heavy second row.
JM: Heavy but the difference Gengey had in having someone able to push behind. What I am trying to say is the importance of having some weight, especially Sloshbucket’s weight?
DH: Confirm who Sloshbucket is, please?
MV: Don’t do it. He is going to absolutely kill you. Sloshbucket has actually got so many nicknames it’s a joke. Sloshbury.
JM: No, leave him alone, leave him alone. Leave Biscuit alone. Leave him alone. Anyway, the point I was trying make is that without weighty second rows giving us that support from behind you are pretty much null and void as a front-rower. It’s all about the collective.
DH: Have you got a better understanding of what your second row go through? Is it a place of comfort or a place of attrition?
JM: I have a lot more respect for them now. Put it that way.
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Good to hear he would like to play the game at the highest level, I hadn’t been to sure how much of a motivator that was before now. Sadly he’s probably chosen the rugby club to go to. Try not to worry about all the input about how you should play rugby Joey and just try to emulate what you do on the league field and have fun. You’ll limit your game too much (well not really because he’s a standard athlete like SBW and he’ll still have enough) if you’re trying to make sure you can recycle the ball back etc. On the other hard, you can totally just try and recycle by looking to offload any and everywhere if you’re going to ground 😋
1 Go to commentsThis just proves that theres always a stat and a metric to use to justify your abilities and your success. Ben did it last week by creating an imaginary competition and now you did the same to counter his argument and espouse a new yardstick for success. Why not just use the current one and lets say the Boks have won 4 world cups making them the most successful world cup team. Outside of the world cup the All Blacks are the most successful team winning countless rugby championships and dominating the rankings with high win percentages. Over the last 4 years statistically the Irish are the best having the highest win rate and also having positive records against every tier 1 side. The most successful Northern team in the game has been England with a world cup title and the most six nations titles in history. The AB’s are the most dominant team in history with the highest win rate and 3 world cups. Lets not try to reinvent the wheel. Just be honest about the actual stats and what each team has been good at doing and that will be enough to define their level of success.
17 Go to commentsHow is 7’s played there? I’m surprised 10 or 11 man rugby hasn’t taken off. 7 just doesn’t fit the 15s dynamics (rules n field etc) but these other versions do.
7 Go to commentsPick Swinton at your peril A liability just like JWH from the Roosters Skelton ??? went missing at RWC
14 Go to commentsLike tennis, who have a ranking system, and I believe rugby too, just measure over each period preceding a world cup event who was the longest number one and that would be it. In tennis the number one player frequently is not the grand slam winner. I love and adore the All Blacks since the days of Ian Kirkpatrick when I was a kid in SA. And still do because they are the masters of running rugby and are gentleman on and off the field - in general. And in my opinion they have been the majority of the time the best rugby team in the world.
17 Go to commentsHaving overseas possessions in 2024 is absurd. These Frenchies should have to give the New Caledonians their freedom.
21 Go to commentsBell injured his foot didn’t he? Bring Tupou in he’ll deliver when it counts. Agree mostly but I would switch in the Reds number 8 Harry Wilson for Swinton and move Rob Valentini to 6 instead. Wilson is a clever player who reads the play, you can’t outmuscle the AB’s and Springboks, if you have any chance it’s by playing clever. Same goes for Paisami, he’s a little guy who doesn’t really trouble the likes of De Allende and Jordie Barrett. I’d rather play Carter Gordon at 12 and put Michael Lynagh’s boy at 10. That way you get a BMT type goalkicker at 10 and a playmaker at 12. Anyways, just my two cents as a Bok supporter.
14 Go to commentsThanks Brett, love your articles which are alway pertinent. It’s a difficult topic trying to have a panel adjudicating consistently penalties for red card issues. Many of the mitigating reasons raised are judged subjectively, hence the different outcomes. How to take away subjective opinions?
7 Go to commentsYes Sir! Surprising, just like Fraser would also have escaped sanction if he was a few inches lower, even if it was by accident that he missed! Has there really been talk about those sanctions or is this just sensational journalism? I stopped reading, so might have missed any notations.
7 Go to commentsAI is only as good as the information put in, the nuances of the sport, what you see out the corner of the eye, how you sum up in a split second the situation, yes the AI is a tool but will not help win games, more likely contribute to a loss, Rugby Players are not robots, all AI can do if offer a solution not the solution. AI will effect many sports, help train better golfers etc.
45 Go to commentsIt couldn’t have been Ryan Crotty. He wasn’t selected in either World Cup side - they chose Money Bill instead. And Money Bill only cared about himself, and that manager he had, not the team.
26 Go to commentsYawn 🥱 nobody would give a hoot about this new trophy. End of the day we just have to beat Ireland and NZ this year then they can finally shut up 🤐
17 Go to commentsTalking bout Ryan Crotty? Heard Crotty say in a interview once that SBW doesen't care about the team . He went on to say that whenever they lost a big game, SBW would be happy as if nothing happened, according to him someone who cares would look down.. Personally I think Crotty is in the wrong, not for feeling gutted but for expecting others 2 be like him… I have been a bad loser forever as it matters so much to me but good on you SBW for being able to see the bigger picture….
26 Go to commentsThis sounds like a WWE idea so Americans can also get excited about rugby, RUGBY NEEDS A INTERNATIONAL CALENDER .. The rugby Championship and Six Nations can be held at same time, top 3 of six nations and top 3 of Rugby championship (6 nations should include Georgia AND another qualifying country while Fiji, Japan and Samoa/Tonga qualifier should make out 6 Southern teams).. Scrap June internationals and year end tours. Have a Elite top six Cup and the Bottom 6 in a secondary comp….
17 Go to commentsThe rugby championship would be even stronger with Fiji in it… I know it doesen’t fit the long term plans of NZ or Aus but you are robbing a whole nation of being able to see their best players play for Fiji…. Every second player in NZ and AUS teams has Fijian surnames… shame on you!!! World rugby won’t step in either as France and England has now also joined in…. I guess where money is involved it will always be the poor countries missing out….
84 Go to commentsNo surprise there. How hard can it be to pick a ball off the ground and chuck it to a mate? 😂
2 Go to commentsSometimes people just like a moan mate!
7 Go to commentsexcellent idea ! rugby needs this 💪
17 Go to comments9 Brumbies! What a joke! The best performing team in Oz! Ditch Skelton for Swain or Neville. Ryan Lonergan ahead of McDermott any day! Best selection bolter is Toole … amazing player
14 Go to commentsI like this, but ultimately rugby already has enough trophies. Trying to make more games “consequential" might prove to be a fools errand, although this is a less bad idea than some others. Minor quibble with the title of the article; it isn’t very meaningful to say the boks are the unofficial world champions when it would be functionally impossible for the Raeburn trophy not to be held by the world champions. There’s a period of a few months every 4 years when there is no “unofficial” world champion, and the Raeburn trophy is held by the actual world champions.
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