Courtney Lawes: 'We can disagree without hating each other'
Former England forward Courtney Lawes has revisited the social media drama that engulfed him in the summer of 2020 following a Tweet that saw him become the target of an angry online mob.
Lawes – who recently retired from international rugby after a stellar career for England – was the subject of a social media pile-on over the controversy, which even saw him lose a sponsor and others call for him to be sacked.
Lawes replied to a Tweet from then Manchester Utd footballer Marcus Rashford in June 2020, who had successfully campaigned for food vouchers for poverty-stricken children in the UK. Lawes suggested in a since-deleted Tweet that financial stability and a preference for marriage could potentially help remedy the problem, writing: ‘Great win mate, you’ve done a [sic] incredible thing for a lot of young people! Maybe now would be a good time to bring some attention to the importance of being financially secure and preferably married before having kids?”
Lawes’ seemingly innocent Tweet was pilloried by some users, who demanded that he be fired from his job; some even suggesting that he shouldn’t be allowed around children.
Speaking on the Crisis What Crisis podcast with Andy Coulson, Lawes addressed the drama and what he learned from the episode.
“It’s [the Tweet] something, again, that kind of made sense to me from my experience and also looking at the data, that people, or children growing up with married parents do much better in life. And therefore hopefully won’t need food stamps and whatever else to kind of get through life,” said Lawes. “So you know, we can help the people who are in the situation whilst trying to help people stop people from getting in the situation in the first place.
“It was quite eye-opening in a lot of ways. I found it so ironic that there’s people that feel like they stand on this pedestal because they support a certain view or they think a certain way, and they think they are very good people because of this opinion. But they will try and get you fired.
“You know, I’ve got four kids, I’ve got a family to look after and I’m the main breadwinner. Yet they’ll try and destroy that, bring that down, just because I’ve said something that they don’t like.
“I found that really eye-opening. And they think they are good people for doing that. Better people. Better people for doing that. So I think that these kinds of people need to actually have a think about why that is, and why they feel that way so strongly that they should try to destroy somebody’s life just because they’ve said something that they don’t like.
“We’re never going to agree on everything as a society, as people, but you know, we can disagree without hating each other. Better yet, we can find common ground. So yes, that’s the massive thing for me; we haven’t got to be enemies.”
Lawes lost a sponsor over the controversy who decided they didn’t want to renew his contract – not wanting ‘that kind of heat’ – but Northampton Saints stood firmly behind their man in the face of the calls for him to lose his job.
“But no, Saints were great. A guy called Tim Percival was on comms and yes, he was the one picking up the emails and whatnot, and saying, “He’s entitled to his opinion.” Because you know, we had a few strongly worded emails saying that I should lose my job and shouldn’t be allowed around children, apparently.
“But on the flipside of that I got inundated with positive messages as well. A lot of handwritten letters and stuff like that, and emails and things like that supporting me as well. So you know, there’s a negative side of it but there’s also people out there that obviously feel the same.”
Lawes – who is of mixed race background – would also cop flack for refusing to take a knee on the pitch in solidarity during the BLM protests of that summer.
“I don’t know, for whatever reason I’d been quite aware of the kind of Black Lives Matter organisation or whatever it is, and what they stood for. I’d seen their website, and the kind of things they are pushing is certainly not a stable family, it’s quite the opposite.
“So yes, I knew that taking the knee was promoting, even if you didn’t want to, promoting the Black Lives Matter organisation. And when people see that and they want to make a change, and obviously generously give their hard-earned money, they will go to that organisation and give that money to them. And we’ve seen now what that money has gone towards, and it certainly wasn’t what everybody thought was what they were going to put it towards.”
Courtney Lawes had shared his opinion on the matter with teammates in the Saints set-up and believed that individual choice on the matter was key.
“I guess fortunately I had prior knowledge of them and what they’re about as an organisation, and yes, in terms of values it was the complete opposite [to his own].”
Despite knowing the flack he would face, Lawes refused to buckle to outside pressure, although initially, it was unclear as to what approach the Gallagher Premiership club would take on the matter.
“I’m always going to stand by what I think. Actually, we wanted to be unified as a club, so we wanted either everybody to take the knee or kind of nobody. And the only way you could really do that is to tell people, but I was quite adamant that we make this the decision for people to make, not, “You have to stand up,” or, “You have to take the knee.” Because if they were to say to me, “You have to kneel down before the game,” I would have said no. And I think that if somebody absolutely wanted to kneel before the game, that they should be allowed to. But they should have all the information first.
“So yes, that’s just how we went about it.”
You can listen to the full Crisis What Crisis podcast HERE.
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No question they were the better team. But that is the beauty of sport isn’t it!
94 Go to commentsEveryone is into Hurling in Ireland according to Porter, but only 11 of Ireland's 32 counties enter a team into the national competition. Same old blarney.
1 Go to commentsLet’s be honest. The draw and scheduling in the World Cup was a joke but South Africa found a way after having to go the hard (nearly impossible) way to the Cup Final via France and England. NZ had a hard game against France (lost) and had 5 weeks to prepare for the Quarter, 3 weeks knowing it was Ireland. NZ theerfore had to win one big game against an Irish team who played SA and then Scotland 7 days before. They won and it was de facto a semi final because they were playing a relatively weak Argentina team and it was a walk over. In the final a very rested NZ team was playing a very tired SA team and still lost. They couldn’t score more than 11 points. Put another way SA had to find a way to win while tired and they achieved that. NZ should thank their lucky stars that they fixed the scheduling in 2015 otherwise they would be dealing with a Bok treble.
94 Go to commentsPerhaps if Bongi wasn’t targeted and removed from the game in the first 3 minutes it would have been quite a different game. Maybe if NZ also faced the same competition the Boks faced to their win NZ would have looked quite different. The final score shows who outplayed who.
94 Go to commentsRubbish article! Abuladze played most of Exeters matches when fit. He got injured against Glasgow a while ago and is out for the rest of the season, thats why he hasnt played for Exeter and Georgia recently. Do some proper research next time!
1 Go to commentsGotta love it when kids throw their toys out the pram and can’t hack it with the grown ups debate. Here’s looking at you turlough! 😉🤣
148 Go to commentsThey lost the game period move on
94 Go to commentsSpringboks won! Stop winging. You can change the game however much you and your rugby colonizing IRB want to and the Springboks will win you at that too. Your mind is colonized my friend get a life
94 Go to commentsBen, nobody gets fooled anymore by selective and biased data to support an hypothesis. Games are decided on such small margins these days that you win some and lose some, and dominance is a thing of the rugby past. Look at the RWC circle of fortune…. Ireland beats SA who beat France who beat NZ who beat Ireland. And so it goes on. Match officials help to eliminate real indiscretions. If they had been with us years before, no doubt results would have been different. Remember Andy Haden’s dive from a lineout in 1978 for which a match-wining penalty was awarded? Wales should have beaten the ABs that day. They took the loss like the gentlemen they were.
94 Go to commentsWith all the analysis and how good the all blacks were.The fundamental mistake with the ABs is that this is a test match and not an exhibition.There is no better team(country) in world rugby than the Boks that knows how to win a test match(we are post masters at this).We know our rules, we have the discipline, we tackle like beasts, we take our points and we never give up.I now have educated the ABs supporters(at least say thank you).Please stop “bitching” , accept what the outcome is and move along swiftly.
94 Go to commentsAnd they came from behind to win two big games before the final. No one can say what would have happened. Had the boks gone behind the game plan changes and the result may changes. Ifs and ands are irrelevant. The boks won. Neutral critics enjoyed the games they played. Its not a popularity contest. Get over it and move on.
94 Go to commentsI'm happy for the people of SA to get a second WC. And I mean that. I was very disappointed with this man's “stand on the hand” incident with Josh Van Der Flyer (Ireland). Ireland's downfall in the last WC was they did not rotate their first 15 as the head coach probably should have. That said, I'm happy for SA and genuinely hope it lifts the mood in their country. Ireland did beat them in the first match of the tournament. And before the trolls start trolling ….. please don't bother. Etzbeth said recently that the Irish players said after the match “see you in the final”…..this was actually wishing the SA team the best of luck in the rest, the Irish team were not dismissing the AB’s. This is what Etzbeth was implying. But he was wrong. I no longer live in Ireland. But I hope to see them lift that cup before I pass. Anyway, congratulations SA. 👍
12 Go to commentsMore bloody click bait. Dan Carter has said absolutely nothing. As he should do. Poor journalism again from a site that should know better
9 Go to commentsOh god please help these loosers get over it!!!! You lost. Doesn't matter how many times you dummies are gonna analyse the game, you still lost and we are still Rygby World Champions….get over it, you lost.
94 Go to commentsThe next Willie le Roux. SA are made not to use him.
3 Go to commentsDan has always been as controversial as tea with milk so we were never going to get any definitive answer. So DMac for the win.
9 Go to commentsGoodness. When are the All Blacks and New Zealand commentators going to stop complaining about how they could have won and just try to win next time 😂. In South Africa if you lose you get up and try again. Get over it.
94 Go to commentsHonestly, it doesn’t matter a whole lot. RSA has a ton of experienced talent in its leadership group. I am more interested in who is the new 8 man/8 men and the younger props. The captain may change but the system does not
1 Go to comments“See you in the final” can mean whatever you want it to mean. To me it means that 12 Irish rugby players are a bunch of poeses. See y’all in Pretoria.
148 Go to commentsBen, you are one of the most arrogant and self opionated rugby critics I have ever come across (next to Keohane). I hoped that after SA beating the best ranked teams in the world on their way to the WC (something not done before) that you might have the grace to admit that this is a special team that deserved the accolades coming their way. You have no humility and as has been been already pointed out, merely a troll to attract audience numbers. Count me out in the future.
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