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‘This is the best England side we've ever had, isn’t it?’

MARSEILLE, FRANCE - OCTOBER 15: A general view as Owen Farrell of England speaks with teammates as they huddle after defeating Fiji during the Rugby World Cup France 2023 Quarter Final match between England and Fiji at Stade Velodrome on October 15, 2023 in Marseille, France. (Photo by Adam Pretty - World Rugby/World Rugby via Getty Images)

This is the best England side we’ve ever had, isn’t it? I mean forget 2003, or Grand Slam victors, forget that silver medal team of 2019 that ousted the All Blacks so succinctly, this is it: this is the team that we should always remember.

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Why? Well, let me tell you.

Steve Borthwick, their head coach, along with assistants Kevin Sinfield and Richard Wigglesworth, have had very little time to do anything. They started this year, at the end of a World Cup cycle, with a side that wasn’t functioning very well, and have quickly created miracles. Sure, it hasn’t been plain sailing and maybe not everyone was on board with the way things were being achieved, but that doesn’t matter.

England are the only undefeated team left in the World Cup. Everyone else has been beaten. Yeah, the draw etc, but England have already beaten one of the other four semi-finalists, comfortably. The coaching team have done brilliantly, on borrowed time and with pretty limited resources. They didn’t have the time to blood new players and rely on some of the talent that exists in the Premiership.

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They’ve done it with a group of players who are, let’s face it, a little past their prime. This coaching set-up has stood by all these players, stuck to their guns and they are one win away from the final. That is an extraordinary achievement. Far better than winning it with a group of really great players.

Players haven’t really known who was being picked when, and even where. We can all name the French, Ireland, Springbok and All Black best XV. Can we with England? Not a chance. There is no certainty that England players can train with – no assurance that their place is secure.

They’ve even started a player in a position he hasn’t played at club level. What that must do is make it really challenging. Take Freddie Steward, one of the most nailed-on of choices England had before the competition kicked off and now he can’t even get in the team. And that’s not through poor performance. Ben Youngs was a certainty I thought for this competition but we’ve not seen hide nor hair of him. George Ford! Easily one of the best flyhalves in the competition, not even given a sniff in the quarter-final.

Team Form

Last 5 Games

4
Wins
4
4
Streak
4
25
Tries Scored
25
74
Points Difference
99
3/5
First Try
4/5
3/5
First Points
4/5
3/5
Race To 10 Points
4/5

It must be so tough to play for a team where these types of players are being circumvented. The 2003 team picked itself. It gave everyone the comfort of knowing where they were. Everyone knew their role, what was expected of them. Not with this England team, there is no such luxury. That is why I feel this side must be viewed as one of the best ever.

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The players have had to cope with a lot. It’s tough enough at a World Cup but this group have had to do it without much support from back home. The media have been pretty sceptical about their chances and have poked holes in a few of the ideas and options England have taken. This has led to a large amount of apathy from supporters and I know the players feel this.

But they’ve dug deep, continued to rebut stupid questions and really looked after each other. This is really difficult and much more challenging than playing for a team that everybody gets behind. Support is everything to a player, it takes individuals to new heights and while generally, the fans have kinda made the right noises, the lack of belief from some quarters does come through. To achieve a last-four berth with all that going on is unbelievable. This makes them a far better team than previous ones, who were heralded everywhere they went.

Head-to-Head

Last 5 Meetings

Wins
1
Draws
0
Wins
4
Average Points scored
17
26
First try wins
80%
Home team wins
20%

Which brings me to Owen Farrell. He is England’s captain and on Sunday, in Marseille, when his name was read out, he was roundly booed. Admittedly, this may not have been all England fans but there were some dressed in white who heckled their fly half and captain. Do you know how tricky it must have been for Farrell to find his focus after that? Lesser men would have crumpled into a heap on the changing room floor or at the least packed their bag and foxtrot-oscared their way out of the stadium.

But no, he put his head down and played one of the most accomplished games he has at this World Cup. He was excellent, despite the way he must have been feeling. That wasn’t easy. Sure, George Ford is a great player and maybe worth a go in the Number 10 shirt, but that’s not Faz’s choice. He was picked by Borthwick to do a job, was heckled and booed, and then still went out and did it. He even dropped a goal. Not that it’ll be remembered. That is infinitely tougher than say, Jonny Wilkinson had it, with everyone fawning over him everywhere he went, cheering every ball he kicked, with women writing to him professing their undying love, with full-grown men naming their firstborns after him. Playing well when you have that sort of entourage is easy. Farrell is pretty much despised everywhere he goes. How impossible must it be to generate the types of performances he has, knowing that? I wonder if Owen will be fronting the TV coverage in twenty years’ time. I doubt it, and yet he deserves to be considered.

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This team have performed in spite of all this, at a World Cup tournament, which is being roundly described as the best ever. They’ve avoided defeat, ignored the naysayers, kept out the negativity, done what they could, played what was in front of them, and got further than many people ever thought was possible. When you consider where it started, what they’ve had to deal with, how difficult the conditions have been for them to achieve their best, there is only one logical conclusion: this England team are extraordinary.

So, against South Africa in the semi-final, things might conspire and they might lose. But even if they get within 20 points of such a together, well-structured, well-balanced, well-supported group, who have had their coaching team in place for years, it’ll be an era-defining victory in my book.

And if they win it? Well, there will be no argument. This is the best England Rugby team ever.

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Herring finder, the red kind 554 days ago

The argument seems to be - this team is the best, because of how awful they are?

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FM 554 days ago

Perhaps the ‘flukiest’ or the most ‘fortuitous’ or the ‘luckiest’ or the most lack-luster and so on …. but for mine a good marist 5 stone b team could beat them on a windy day!. Best side, indeed!

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Sebastian 554 days ago

Are you kidding me? This team is trash and SA will prove it on Saturday.

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Mark 555 days ago

Virtually the same team that Eddie Jones left was inherited by Borthwick, who pretty much stuck with the same squad.
Their performances in the 6n were dire.
The only tier 1 nation they have beaten at this WC is Argentina.
Japan, Chile and Samoa don’t count.
Fiji were incredibly average last wk and still could have won.
This England team with a few notable exceptions is comprised of over the hill has beens.

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Brunhildes 555 days ago

I think this is a better-balanced approach to everything else i’ve read about Borthwick and staff. He had (what?) 14 days to pick a team for the 6N.

And he would have been crucified for picking an entirely new team that close to a World Cup. Look at Eddie Jones and Australia. No Hooper, no Cooper. A lack of Ooper I think did for them at the end.

He can get around to a rebuild afterwards, in the next cycle. For now, they’ve got the team functioning at the right time.

Do I think we’ll beat the Boks? Not really, they are in exceptional shape. But do I think he’s managed to pull the team together? Yes.

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Liam 555 days ago

We will have to see the performance but this group of players can totally beat SA if they turn up in the right mindset. If so, they will have done better than ireland. In more ways than just placing higher

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DI Burnside 555 days ago

Farrell is class…he doesn't care what people think, he doesn't care about armchair pundits’ opinions, he turns up and invariably gets the job done…in a trademark belligerent and attritional style - for club and country. Of course we'll get hammered…and he'll get booed…but we weren't even supposed to get out of the pool stage - the fact we're this far is a win for us… Even better that it's winding everyone up!!

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ken 555 days ago

Farrell is his own worst enemy. It’s because he’s got away with a lot. And his lack of humility, and his tackling

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Nigel 555 days ago

Surely Robert’s is surely just taking the p*ss. Our 2002/3 team rank amongst the top 3 rugby union teams of all time. The current squad has indeed shut a lot of mouths by getting to the semis and even if they do get through to the final (highly unlikely) and then win it (would stay drunk for a week but it’s not going to happen) they are still far from being our greatest team ever.

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Poe 555 days ago

Mark reason for stuff NZ .. For all that, still Ireland only lost by four points. That’s because they are the best side in the world. But New Zealand know all about being the best side in the world and bowing out of World Cups. It certainly happened in 1995 when luck was hideously against them. And it has arguably happened on other occasions.

Journos….

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WI 30 minutes ago
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It isn’t just the running rugby, but everything else as well. The Boks have a sense of desperation that sets in when they are matched physically, that cannot at times be offset by their skillset. One of the reasons, as far as i understand it, for Tony Brown’s introduction to the set up was to increase the Boks strike plays along with among many things. Is this not Rassie’s assessment of the Pool loss to Ireland? If you watch that game, so many opportunities, yet an unconverted try and a lone penalty to show for all those scrum penalties, stolen lineouts and 5 m maul attempts?


Fast Forward to Durban, the Boks could not score a single try? Led 24-19 with 65 minutes to go, led 24-22 with 40 seconds to go with a scrum, of all things in Ireland’s 22, yet end up losing the game. At the end of that series they had won 3 out of the 4 halves of rugby, yet drew the series.


Who could forget the infamous quarterfinal loss to the Wallabies in the 2011 WC Quarterfinal? Desperation as the time ticked on, in came the small things and the skillset failed.


The Boks have almost got it all, this one thing, as Eddie Jones said back in 2007, if the Boks get it, they might become unplayable. I think Rassie have realized as much by the failures of previous Bok teams. Boks Vs Robbie Deans, Heyneke Meyer VS All Blacks, 4 Straight Defeat to Wales? All i am saying, is that it isn’t readily apparent to me, that the Boks have it yet, and if they do, maybe it should ascend pass other nations? However, what would the school, domestic rugby philosophies not do to hinder it?


Gone are the extreme ends of the spectrum represented by Heyneke Meyer’s Bash Ball and Alister Coetzee’s flying with the fairies, as neither work for the Boks. It is obvious, that the gold lies in the combination of Mallet and to an extend Rassie. Not sure one coach would be able to change the mindset of a Rugby Nation, and to help me not hear my Bulls Fanatic neighbor shout “ Vok hul op!”

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