Tempest got Spencer red card spot on – Andy Goode
Will Spencer’s sending off was the major talking point in the Premiership at the weekend and the debate still seems to be raging on but it’s a red card every day of the week in the modern game.
There are a lot of current, as well as former, players saying the game’s gone soft but the laws are clear and they’re there for their protection. And, it’s going to become even more of an issue if and when the new regulations regarding tackling beneath the line of the nipples come in, so players are going to have to adjust.
In truth, though, it hasn’t ever really been legal to tackle someone in the head with your shoulder. I know there was no intent but unfortunately that isn’t really relevant.
Geordan Murphy’s one of my best mates and I understand his frustration when he talks about the game being “too PC” but I think everyone needs to take stock and realise where we’re at.
World Rugby have gone down this route because of the number of HIAs and impact injuries players are suffering and the current application of the laws has been in place for over a season now so players should know what the situation is.
Spencer is a big lad at 6ft 7in but some people are talking as if Tommy Taylor’s small. I’ve stood next to him and he’s a decent unit, he’s 6ft 2in.
I don’t think Spencer has really tried to dip into the tackle at all. He’s quite upright and has thrown his shoulder in trying to get a big shot. Unfortunately for him, you know you can’t hit that high or you’re running the risk if you do so you’ve got to bend and that’s a question of tackle technique.
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You cannot tackle someone with that force and connect with the head using your shoulder. There are big players around the world playing by these rules and adhering to them, so being 6ft 7in isn’t an excuse. You’ve got to aim lower.
There is an impact on the game and the way players are coached as a result because there’s no point even aiming at chest height when you’re 6ft 7in, you’ve got to hinge at the hips a bit more and get lower.
Tom Youngs said on the field that the game’s changed and he’s right, it has because players are bigger, stronger and more powerful and the laws have been altered slightly over the years to protect the players.
Look at Sonny Bill Williams’ hit on Anthony Watson on the Lions tour. There was no intent to bang him straight on the jaw but his technique was poor and he went in with a sort of rugby league style shoulder charge so it was a red card.
Referees can have empathy and they are allowed to take mitigating circumstances into account to a certain extent but I don’t think Spencer has gone low enough and I don’t think Taylor has ducked that much either.
I certainly don’t think Ian Tempest deserves criticism. It’s not his fault and he’s refereed it to the letter of the law. It’s tough but they are the laws and his hands are tied. I’m not sure if the referee would be getting the same level of criticism if it was Wayne Barnes, who is in the top two referees in the world, but I think he’d have given a red card as well.
Some people have said that he shouldn’t have been sent off because there was no injury to Taylor and maybe they would have a different view if he had been knocked out but you can’t referee on that basis.
Dai Young said after the game that he hopes he doesn’t get a ban and I don’t disagree with that but the game has moved on immeasurably and I just don’t see how that’s not a red card under the current laws.
There are measures that you could bring in, such as the ‘on report’ system that’s used in rugby league, but I think people would still disagree about what sanction should be taken then.
The laws now mean you can’t put your boots on bodies on the ground to ruck them out the way, which you used to be able to do years ago, and players have adapted to it so they’re going to have to adapt to this in a similar way.
It’s an interesting debate, prompted partly by the high-profile nature of the game and the coverage on BT Sport, but the law book is there and everyone steps onto the pitch knowing what the laws are. The game hasn’t gone soft but it has changed and players will have to continue to adjust as a result.
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Thanks Brett, love your articles which are alway pertinent. It’s a difficult topic trying to have a panel adjudicating consistently penalties for red card issues. Many of the mitigating reasons raised are judged subjectively, hence the different outcomes. How to take away subjective opinions?
4 Go to commentsYes Sir! Surprising, just like Fraser would also have escaped sanction if he was a few inches lower, even if it was by accident that he missed! Has there really been talk about those sanctions or is this just sensational journalism? I stopped reading, so might have missed any notations.
4 Go to commentsAI is only as good as the information put in, the nuances of the sport, what you see out the corner of the eye, how you sum up in a split second the situation, yes the AI is a tool but will not help win games, more likely contribute to a loss, Rugby Players are not robots, all AI can do if offer a solution not the solution. AI will effect many sports, help train better golfers etc.
45 Go to commentsIt couldn’t have been Ryan Crotty. He wasn’t selected in either World Cup side - they chose Money Bill instead. And Money Bill only cared about himself, and that manager he had, not the team.
26 Go to commentsYawn 🥱 nobody would give a hoot about this new trophy. End of the day we just have to beat Ireland and NZ this year then they can finally shut up 🤐
13 Go to commentsTalking bout Ryan Crotty? Heard Crotty say in a interview once that SBW doesen't care about the team . He went on to say that whenever they lost a big game, SBW would be happy as if nothing happened, according to him someone who cares would look down.. Personally I think Crotty is in the wrong, not for feeling gutted but for expecting others 2 be like him… I have been a bad loser forever as it matters so much to me but good on you SBW for being able to see the bigger picture….
26 Go to commentsThis sounds like a WWE idea so Americans can also get excited about rugby, RUGBY NEEDS A INTERNATIONAL CALENDER .. The rugby Championship and Six Nations can be held at same time, top 3 of six nations and top 3 of Rugby championship (6 nations should include Georgia AND another qualifying country while Fiji, Japan and Samoa/Tonga qualifier should make out 6 Southern teams).. Scrap June internationals and year end tours. Have a Elite top six Cup and the Bottom 6 in a secondary comp….
13 Go to commentsThe rugby championship would be even stronger with Fiji in it… I know it doesen’t fit the long term plans of NZ or Aus but you are robbing a whole nation of being able to see their best players play for Fiji…. Every second player in NZ and AUS teams has Fijian surnames… shame on you!!! World rugby won’t step in either as France and England has now also joined in…. I guess where money is involved it will always be the poor countries missing out….
84 Go to commentsNo surprise there. How hard can it be to pick a ball off the ground and chuck it to a mate? 😂
2 Go to commentsSometimes people just like a moan mate!
4 Go to commentsexcellent idea ! rugby needs this 💪
13 Go to comments9 Brumbies! What a joke! The best performing team in Oz! Ditch Skelton for Swain or Neville. Ryan Lonergan ahead of McDermott any day! Best selection bolter is Toole … amazing player
12 Go to commentsI like this, but ultimately rugby already has enough trophies. Trying to make more games “consequential" might prove to be a fools errand, although this is a less bad idea than some others. Minor quibble with the title of the article; it isn’t very meaningful to say the boks are the unofficial world champions when it would be functionally impossible for the Raeburn trophy not to be held by the world champions. There’s a period of a few months every 4 years when there is no “unofficial” world champion, and the Raeburn trophy is held by the actual world champions.
13 Go to commentsIts a great idea but one that I dont think will have a lot of traction. It will depend on the prestige that they each hold but if you can do that it would be great. When Japan beat the Boks (my team) I was absolutely devestated but I wont deny the great game they played that day. We were outclassed and it was one of the best games of rugby I have seen. Using an idea like this you might just give the the underdog teams more of an opportunity to beat the big teams and I can absolutely see it being a brilliant display of rugby. They beat us because they planned for that game. It was a great moment for Japan. This way we can remove the 4 year wait and give teams something to aim for outside of World Cup years.
13 Go to commentsHi, Dave here. Happy to answer questions 🥰
13 Go to commentsDon’t think that headline is accurate. It’s great to see Aus doing better but I’m not sure they’ve shown much threat to the top of the table. They shouldn’t be inflating wins against the lousy Highlanders and Crusaders either.
3 Go to commentsSuch a shame Roigard and Aumua picked up long term injuries, probably the two form players in the comp. Also, pretty sure Clarke Dermody isn’t their coach. Got it half right though.
3 Go to commentsOh the Aussie media, they never learn. At least Andrew Kellaway is like “Woah, yeah it’s great, but settle down there guys” having endured years of the Aussie media, fans, and often their players getting ahead of themselves only to fall flat on their faces. Have the “We'll win the Bledisloe for sure this year!” headlines started yet? It’s simple to see what’s going on. The Aussie teams are settled, they didn't lose any of their major players overseas. The Crusaders and Chiefs lost key experienced All Blacks, and Razor in the Crusaders case, and clearly neither are anywhere near as strong as last year (The Canes and Blues would probably be 3rd & 4th if they were). The Highlanders are annually average, even more so post-Aaron Smith and a big squad clean out. The two teams at the top? The two nz sides with largely the same settled roster as last year, except Ardie Savea for the Canes. They’ve both got far better coaches now too. If the Aussies are going to win the title, this is the year the kiwi sides will be weakest, so they better take their chance.
3 Go to commentsThe World Cup has to be the gold standard, line in the sand. 113 teams compete for what is the opportunity to make the pool stages, and then the knockout games for the trophy. The concept is sound. This must have been the rationale when the World Cup was created, surely? But I’m all for Looking forward and finding new ways for the SH to dominate the NH into the future. The autumn series needs a change up. Let’s start by having the NH teams come south every odd year for the Autumn/Spring series games?
13 Go to commentsWhat’ll happen when the AI models of the future go back in time and try to destroy the AI models of the past standing in their way of certain victory?
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