'At the end of the day he's my son and I want to see him enjoying himself'
Nigel Davies forged a career at Stradey Park with Llanelli, totting up 498 caps and reaching nine cup finals along the way. His stature as a legend of the game may be understated given he’s both played for, and coached, his country.
He’s since dabbled in the Gallagher Premiership with Gloucester and the Welsh Premiership with both Ebbw Vale and Merthyr. Despite his many accolades he’s now pushed coaching to one side as he aims for a seat on the WRU National Council.
Davies’ professional coaching may well be over, but he still delivers his passion to his son Sam, who is reaching elevated heights once again at the Dragons as he searches for another Welsh call-up. It’s his dedication for rugby and his love of his son that enables him to keep driving on in a sport that he has cherished for over four decades.
“We talk quite a bit about rugby. I’ve learned over the years not to be forthright with my opinions, so I’ve got to be a bit more subtle around some issues. The best way to improve a player isn’t to tell him how to do something, but let them decide himself how he thinks is best to do it as they have to make all their decisions on the field,” Davies explains.
Having that divide between father-son bonding and coaching advice could be difficult, but for the family who grew up near Gowerton it’s just an extension of life. Nigel doesn’t just offer his expertise. He wants to enjoy rugby and often discusses the ongoings at Rodney Parade with Sam in an attempt to maintain normality.
“We have conversations around that [coaching] or the game in general. I’m interested in seeing what’s happening at the Dragons as there seems to be a positive vibe there.”
Sam has now been out of the Welsh setup since June 2017 where he featured against Samoa. Out of form at the Ospreys, Nigel took it upon himself to offer some words of wisdom to enable Sam to push past his current tally of eight caps.
“When Sam was first talking about the move [to the Dragons], I said the main thing for you now is to just starting to enjoy rugby again, which would help him play better. That gives him a better platform to do things.
“I said he’d have to put his Welsh ambitions to one side as it’s about getting back and enjoying his rugby, which he’s been able to do at the Dragons. It’s been heartening to watch. At the end of the day he’s my son and I want to see him enjoying himself. If it comes it comes and if it doesn’t, it doesn’t but he’s still enjoying himself.”
When Sam made his second appearance off the bench against Japan the scene was set for him. The drop goal was there to win the game, and he duly accepted the challenge, Wales winning 33-30. Nigel doesn’t think about that drop goal in the Millennium Stadium, as it was then, but he reminisces of Sam’s younger days and practising drop goals on the Elba fields at Gowerton.
“I was in the crowd. You don’t just turn up and perform at that high level and do those things unless they’ve done it a million times before. Sam will have taken those goals on the Elba where he was brought up.
“From the age of five or six we’d always end the session by standing in-front of the posts and I’d pass him the ball for a drop goal saying, ‘this is the kick to win it for Wales’. “When he kicked that goal for Wales, I didn’t see him for that, I saw him kick the ball in the Elba. That was a really emotional moment.”
Nigel’s fondest memories have come on the rugby fields, including Sam within many of them, but looking back he remembers how difficult it was to come to terms with the end of his own career.
“It’s very difficult and a massive issue we have in the game now. I remember, on my 30th birthday, which was a surprise party at Stradey Park, that was the worst for me as someone in top level sport, the realisation that at best you only have a few years left in you.”
Davies’ career began in the late ‘80s and finished just over a decade later, managing to bridge both the amateur and professional era. A graduate in mechanical and production engineering and having worked as a consultant for major businesses, he had to balance his rugby career with his job, the former of which wasn’t a paid role. Transitioning into the professional era in 1996 wasn’t easy or without flaws. The changes didn’t occur overnight and Llanelli remained an amateur team at heart for several years after the official changeover.
“It wasn’t much of change as nothing really happened to start with,” explained Nigel. “I caught the first few years of the professional era and in that time we still worked outside of rugby and got paid full-time in rugby. Going into the third year it became a full-time environment and started to go down the professional route, in the true sense of the word.
“A lot of mistakes were made along the way and there was little clarity. At Llanelli it took us a few years to embrace that. Going from training twice a week to five times a week didn’t happen for the first two years.”
“It was something we were used to [working whilst playing]. It wasn’t ideal, but in my first season with the Scarlets I played nearly 50 games, as we played midweek games. We’d go from work, catch a bus up to Pontypool Park or wherever and play a game. Then we’d go back into work the following day, although you wouldn’t be able to after a trip to Pontypool…”
Despite the enjoyment of having to balance his job with his passion, he firmly believes the hardship has increased for players nowadays. “If you look at players now they’re far worse off,” he says. “From a young age they’re put into an academy and then a team, so their working week is set out for them, what they eat is set out for them.
“They get a lot of positive feedback, but when it finishes it leaves a big black hole. We talk about mental health issues, but they’re real for players. I don’t think any player I have spoken to recently who has finished recently has found it easy, they’ve all struggled with it.”
Nigel’s career as a player finished in 2000. The young boy who dreamed of playing for Wales as he turned out for Trimsaran youth had achieved his goal. His learning wasn’t finished and he set out to coach, where he helped boost Robin McBryde’s awareness.
“The thing about international coaching compared to regional or club teams is you have very little time with players so it’s a different dynamic with different skills. When you’re coaching week in, week out you have a lot of contact with players, you can evolve things reasonably quickly, whereas in international rugby it’s about man-management and getting the selection right and creating a good environment and culture.
“After I finished with Wales I went back to the Scarlets and Robin McBryde was with Wales and I suggested to him about coming to the Scarlets to coach the forwards, which he did for a year. He said it was completely different to coaching internationally as you have plenty of time to reflect on things whereas with Wales it puts pressure on you to react and problem solve quicker. He found it very rewarding.”
His time within the community game is also looked upon fondly. “Winning the league with Ebbw Vale, that was a fantastic achievement and that was one of the memories I’ll take to the grave,” Davies added. His time across the bridge with Gloucester was his last professional coaching role, but he now looks to apply his rugby and business knowledge to the admin side of the game. He is running for a seat on the WRU National Council, and he feels his skills brought upon by his time at all levels of the game can help move the game on within Wales.
“The community is the rock bed of the game in Wales. If we don’t support that area we won’t have a game going forward and these are issues that need to be spoken about and addressed. I know the Union are doing lots of good work already, but I bring a slightly different perspective.
“I love rugby and I love Wales, and I want to ensure we have a sustainable future and it’s not just about the professional game because that won’t exist without the community.”
“I’m keen to get on there [Council], ask some pertinent questions based on my experience and help drive change.”
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Thanks Brett, love your articles which are alway pertinent. It’s a difficult topic trying to have a panel adjudicating consistently penalties for red card issues. Many of the mitigating reasons raised are judged subjectively, hence the different outcomes. How to take away subjective opinions?
4 Go to commentsYes Sir! Surprising, just like Fraser would also have escaped sanction if he was a few inches lower, even if it was by accident that he missed! Has there really been talk about those sanctions or is this just sensational journalism? I stopped reading, so might have missed any notations.
4 Go to commentsAI is only as good as the information put in, the nuances of the sport, what you see out the corner of the eye, how you sum up in a split second the situation, yes the AI is a tool but will not help win games, more likely contribute to a loss, Rugby Players are not robots, all AI can do if offer a solution not the solution. AI will effect many sports, help train better golfers etc.
45 Go to commentsIt couldn’t have been Ryan Crotty. He wasn’t selected in either World Cup side - they chose Money Bill instead. And Money Bill only cared about himself, and that manager he had, not the team.
25 Go to commentsYawn 🥱 nobody would give a hoot about this new trophy. End of the day we just have to beat Ireland and NZ this year then they can finally shut up 🤐
13 Go to commentsTalking bout Ryan Crotty? Heard Crotty say in a interview once that SBW doesen't care about the team . He went on to say that whenever they lost a big game, SBW would be happy as if nothing happened, according to him someone who cares would look down.. Personally I think Crotty is in the wrong, not for feeling gutted but for expecting others 2 be like him… I have been a bad loser forever as it matters so much to me but good on you SBW for being able to see the bigger picture….
25 Go to commentsThis sounds like a WWE idea so Americans can also get excited about rugby, RUGBY NEEDS A INTERNATIONAL CALENDER .. The rugby Championship and Six Nations can be held at same time, top 3 of six nations and top 3 of Rugby championship (6 nations should include Georgia AND another qualifying country while Fiji, Japan and Samoa/Tonga qualifier should make out 6 Southern teams).. Scrap June internationals and year end tours. Have a Elite top six Cup and the Bottom 6 in a secondary comp….
13 Go to commentsThe rugby championship would be even stronger with Fiji in it… I know it doesen’t fit the long term plans of NZ or Aus but you are robbing a whole nation of being able to see their best players play for Fiji…. Every second player in NZ and AUS teams has Fijian surnames… shame on you!!! World rugby won’t step in either as France and England has now also joined in…. I guess where money is involved it will always be the poor countries missing out….
84 Go to commentsNo surprise there. How hard can it be to pick a ball off the ground and chuck it to a mate? 😂
2 Go to commentsSometimes people just like a moan mate!
4 Go to commentsexcellent idea ! rugby needs this 💪
13 Go to comments9 Brumbies! What a joke! The best performing team in Oz! Ditch Skelton for Swain or Neville. Ryan Lonergan ahead of McDermott any day! Best selection bolter is Toole … amazing player
12 Go to commentsI like this, but ultimately rugby already has enough trophies. Trying to make more games “consequential" might prove to be a fools errand, although this is a less bad idea than some others. Minor quibble with the title of the article; it isn’t very meaningful to say the boks are the unofficial world champions when it would be functionally impossible for the Raeburn trophy not to be held by the world champions. There’s a period of a few months every 4 years when there is no “unofficial” world champion, and the Raeburn trophy is held by the actual world champions.
13 Go to commentsIts a great idea but one that I dont think will have a lot of traction. It will depend on the prestige that they each hold but if you can do that it would be great. When Japan beat the Boks (my team) I was absolutely devestated but I wont deny the great game they played that day. We were outclassed and it was one of the best games of rugby I have seen. Using an idea like this you might just give the the underdog teams more of an opportunity to beat the big teams and I can absolutely see it being a brilliant display of rugby. They beat us because they planned for that game. It was a great moment for Japan. This way we can remove the 4 year wait and give teams something to aim for outside of World Cup years.
13 Go to commentsHi, Dave here. Happy to answer questions 🥰
13 Go to commentsDon’t think that headline is accurate. It’s great to see Aus doing better but I’m not sure they’ve shown much threat to the top of the table. They shouldn’t be inflating wins against the lousy Highlanders and Crusaders either.
3 Go to commentsSuch a shame Roigard and Aumua picked up long term injuries, probably the two form players in the comp. Also, pretty sure Clarke Dermody isn’t their coach. Got it half right though.
3 Go to commentsOh the Aussie media, they never learn. At least Andrew Kellaway is like “Woah, yeah it’s great, but settle down there guys” having endured years of the Aussie media, fans, and often their players getting ahead of themselves only to fall flat on their faces. Have the “We'll win the Bledisloe for sure this year!” headlines started yet? It’s simple to see what’s going on. The Aussie teams are settled, they didn't lose any of their major players overseas. The Crusaders and Chiefs lost key experienced All Blacks, and Razor in the Crusaders case, and clearly neither are anywhere near as strong as last year (The Canes and Blues would probably be 3rd & 4th if they were). The Highlanders are annually average, even more so post-Aaron Smith and a big squad clean out. The two teams at the top? The two nz sides with largely the same settled roster as last year, except Ardie Savea for the Canes. They’ve both got far better coaches now too. If the Aussies are going to win the title, this is the year the kiwi sides will be weakest, so they better take their chance.
3 Go to commentsThe World Cup has to be the gold standard, line in the sand. 113 teams compete for what is the opportunity to make the pool stages, and then the knockout games for the trophy. The concept is sound. This must have been the rationale when the World Cup was created, surely? But I’m all for Looking forward and finding new ways for the SH to dominate the NH into the future. The autumn series needs a change up. Let’s start by having the NH teams come south every odd year for the Autumn/Spring series games?
13 Go to commentsWhat’ll happen when the AI models of the future go back in time and try to destroy the AI models of the past standing in their way of certain victory?
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