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Joe Schmidt talks 'fickle' nature of talent, unlocking Australia's potential

Australia's Tate McDermott (L) and Jake Gordon attend a captain's run at the Sanctuary Cove Golf and Country Club Rugby Field in Gold Coast on July 16, 2021, ahead of the third and decisive rugby union Test against France. - -- IMAGE RESTRICTED TO EDITORIAL USE - STRICTLY NO COMMERCIAL USE -- (Photo by Patrick HAMILTON / AFP) / -- IMAGE RESTRICTED TO EDITORIAL USE - STRICTLY NO COMMERCIAL USE -- (Photo by PATRICK HAMILTON/AFP via Getty Images)

It’s how you bake the cake, according to Joe Schmidt, who has offered a different spin on how he plans to revive the Wallabies’ flagging fortunes.

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Despite many pundits believing Australia no longer boasts the talent pool to compete with the rugby-mad power nations like world champions South Africa and trans-Tasman rivals New Zealand, Schmidt is adamant he has all the ingredients to make the Wallabies great again.

It’s just that the Kiwi deems talent the least important ingredient.

“Talent to me is an untapped potential. It sits in a potential sort of bracket,” Schmidt said as tickets to next year’s three-Test series against the touring British and Irish Lions went on sale this week.

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“Talent can be quite fickle as well.

“What we need to be able to demonstrate is that we can be really consistent.

“A lot of the things that you do in rugby don’t take a whole lot of talent.

“They take a whole lot of effort, they take a little bit of intelligence and IP in the game, and then the talent tends to be the icing on the cake.

“And we’ve just got to make sure that we bake the cake in the best possible manner.”

While he wants to see more before he starts throwing out individual names who he expects to form the basis of his first Test team to face Wales in Sydney on July 6, Schmidt hopes the “promising” start from Australia’s five Super Rugby Pacific sides this year proves they are closing the gap on their New Zealand rivals.

That has always been the key to the Wallabies succeeding at international level and ultimately winning back the Bledisloe Cup, which the All Blacks have held since 2003, and competing for world supremacy.

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The Wallabies also host the British and Irish Lions next year, before staging the 2027 World Cup on home soil for the first time since 2003.

Schmidt, who has only committed to coach the Wallabies for two years, believes the Lions series against the best of the best from England, Wales, Scotland and his old Ireland team, will provide a good barometer of how Australia is tracking for the next global showpiece.

The Lions only travel to Australia once every 12 years and legendary two-time World Cup winner John Eales hopes the lure of a “once-in-a-lifetime opportunity unless you’re George Smith” inspires something special from the Wallabies.

“With a full year under Joe and getting used to the way Joe wants to play the game, there is no doubt we will be competitive,” said Eales, who captained the Wallabies to their historic 2001 series win over the Lions.

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“Without doubt, it’s enough time.

“I don’t think we have a talent issue in Australian rugby. We’re seeing that in Super Rugby (Pacific) and there is certainly not an enthusiasm issue.”

The Wallabies, coached by another Kiwi in Robbie Deans, lost the most recent Lions series in Australia 2-1 in 2013.

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“Yes I wrote that, because you had Leinster as the best team in the world. What was that based on - winning the URC this season?”

It was based on Leinster’s performances over the course of this season, and on their trophy. If Bordeaux beat Toulouse then I’ll change my mind and move them to first. But as it is I expect Bordeaux, Toulouse, and Leinster to all finish with one trophy each, and with Leinster having produced the best week-on-week performances of the three.


“One of those teams won the league in each of those years so yes they were worse. If I was a fan of either of those four teams I would rather have been a fan of a team that won a trophy than didn’t.”

That’s true - I would too. With regard to Stormers I think their trophy was very much enabled by the fact that they weren’t playing in europe, so were able to rest their players much more than the non-SA teams were so I’m not sure whether I would or wouldn’t consider them to have had a better season than Leinster in 2022, but clearly Munster and Glasgow (respectively) had better seasons than Leinster in 2023 and 2024. But if I was a fan of one of those 3 teams I would rather be a fan of a team that won 66 URC+CC matches over the course of 3 seasons (Leinster) than a team that won 46 (Munster) or 42 (Glasgow). If you think trophies are literally the only thing that matters, do you think Blackburn Rovers are a more successful Premier League team than Tottenham Hotspur are?


“You contradict yourself alot. Trophies matter in one post and in the same post coming second consistently makes you better.”

Its going to get really frustrating if you’re not willing to read what I write. I said: “Trophies matter. They matter a lot. But so does winning games. So does making finals.” How does that contradict my assessment that Leinster were better than Stormers?


“I doubt Leinster would say they have been the better team in any of the seasons you keep going on about.”

Teams generally downplay talk of them being the best, so that wouldn’t surprise me. But crucially I don’t think Leinster were the best team in 2022, or in 2023, or in 2024, so I’m not sure what you think you’re responding to.


“Lets make it clear though - you are the one who went on and on about previous seasons with your deep dive into la Rochelle and Stormers etc.”

Yeah - I did that because you brought up Leinster’s trophyless record from 2022-2024, so I thought that was worth responding to. If you’d like though I can stop responding to the things you say?

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