Games involving Saracens should have nothing riding on them - Andy Goode
The current Premiership season has been compromised and all matches involving Saracens should have no points riding on them.
They should be sat at the bottom of the table on zero points with a big ‘R’ next to their name and every game they’ve played thus far and every game they play between now and the end of the season should have no points attached to it.
It’s a measure that probably won’t happen because Northampton and Exeter, who have both beaten Saracens, and London Irish, who earned a losing bonus point against them, would have to hand those points back as well but it’s the only way to ensure a level playing field.
We’re in an almost completely unprecedented situation where a club has been relegated in January because of their own wrongdoing and there are still 14 rounds of the season remaining where they could play the role of kingmakers and that isn’t right.
There is some form of precedent, albeit not in the same situation, if you look at the Welsh rebel season back in 1998/99 when Cardiff RFC and Swansea RFC played fixtures against English Premiership clubs all year but points from those games didn’t count towards the league table.
That came about because the two clubs were pursuing changes to the league structure and refused to play in the WRU-sanctioned Welsh Premier Division so it is very different but the game between Cardiff and Saracens, for example, still attracted over 10,000 fans.
Then there is the example of when Melbourne Storm admitted after the start of the rugby league season in Australia that they had systematically breached the NRL salary cap.
On that occasion, the Storm had all of their points taken off them and were barred from receiving points for the remainder of the season but the other teams were able to earn points against them. That doesn’t go far enough for me.
Saracens should not be able to have any say in whether another team makes it into the top four or top six given that they are not under the salary cap as things stand and don’t seem likely to be by the end of the season either. They are sure to have a big say unless all games involving them don’t have points riding on them.
They could choose to play the kids in one game and all their internationals in another, and I know that is sometimes the case anyway depending on whether your fixture against Saracens falls during the Six Nations or at the beginning or end of the campaign, but this is different.
There is also the question of motivation. The likes of Leicester, Gloucester, Bristol and Worcester have all lost to a fully motivated and hungry Saracens, who also in some of those cases were spurred on further by a false sense of feeling wronged.
When they face Harlequins, Sale, Wasps and Northampton in the coming weeks, Saracens won’t have the same motivation, especially if it’s tight at the end of the game for example. You can say that they’ll still be fighting as hard as they can but there’s an element of human nature to it and it’s unlikely that they’ll be quite as committed deep down.
The fixtures should still go ahead but then the other clubs, as well as Saracens, would be able to rotate their squad and choose how they approach the game if league points aren’t up for grabs.
Of course, there would be negative consequences. Fans may not want to go to those games involving Saracens in as big a numbers, which would have a financial effect on other clubs as well as Saracens, and BT Sport may not be as keen to broadcast them.
That would affect Saracens more than any other club, though, and they have already said they aren’t going to refund any season ticket holders.
It’s not ideal but can you imagine if Saracens stop Bath from getting in the top six when they play them on the final day of the season and they have lost to other teams prior to that with potential question marks over those games?
Some strong decisions have been made in recent days and the publication of Lord Dyson’s report would be another positive step. This could be the final move in levelling the playing field for the other 11 clubs in the league this season.
We’re in an unprecedented situation in the Premiership. This has never happened before and will hopefully never happen again. It’s a shame for the league but Saracens should not be able to influence the table any more this season and I think this is a necessary evil.
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🤦♂️🤣 who cares who’s the best . All I know is the All Blacks have the star coach but have few star players now …
26 Go to commentsJe suis sûr que Farrell est impatient de jouer avec Lopez et Machenaud et d’être entraîné par Collazo… 🤭
1 Go to commentsAn on field red (aka a full red) in SRP must surely carry a bigger suspension than a red card given by the bunker as that carries a 20 minute team punishment. Had Damon Murphy abdicated his responsibility as a ref and issued both Drua players a yellow, which would have been upgraded to a 20 minute red by the bunker, that would have killed Australia and New Zealand’s push for the 20 minute red to be trialled globally from July this year.
11 Go to commentsEver so often you all post a Danny Care story that isn’t the announcement that he has finally re-signed for one more, victory tour season at Quins and I’m just like, “well you fooled me again!” My absolute favorite player ever, we need to make his final year at the Stoop (and Twickers) official already. I know he supposedly snubbed France but I won’t feel better until he signs.
1 Go to commentslate hit what late hit it wasn’t at all late and can clearly see he was committed before the tackle
1 Go to commentsChristian Lio -Willies 2 try perfomance was a standout. As was captain Scott Barrett. Up front was where the boys won it.They are a great team and players. Fantastic Crusades , you can keep going.
1 Go to commentsI don't know how the locals feel about that? I guess if you call yourselves the Worcester Wasps that might be appease. But really we need more teams in the Premiership in my view so they are not padding it out as they are at the moment. It might curtail so many players going abroad as well
5 Go to commentsNZ 😭😭😭is certainly rivaling England for best whingers cup!😭😭😭 !!!
26 Go to commentsYup. New Zealand won 3 out of 10 world cups played. SA 4 out of 8 attempts 30 Vs 50 per cent.🤔🤔
26 Go to commentsShould've done this years ago. Change Saturday kick off times to around 11am. Up and off and back home before 3pm, limit travel time too. Allows players to actually do something else with their Saturday that's family oriented or being rugby fans they could ‘watch’ pro rugby. Increases crowds etc. How can anyone that enjoys grassroots and pro rugby have to choose between the two on Saturdays?
9 Go to commentsI bet he inspired those supporters just as much.
1 Go to commentsBen Smith Springboks living rent free in his head 😊😂
67 Go to commentsGood to hear he would like to play the game at the highest level, I hadn’t been to sure how much of a motivator that was before now. Sadly he’s probably chosen the rugby club to go to. Try not to worry about all the input about how you should play rugby Joey and just try to emulate what you do on the league field and have fun. You’ll limit your game too much (well not really because he’s a standard athlete like SBW and he’ll still have enough) if you’re trying to make sure you can recycle the ball back etc. On the other hard, you can totally just try and recycle by looking to offload any and everywhere if you’re going to ground 😋
1 Go to commentsThis just proves that theres always a stat and a metric to use to justify your abilities and your success. Ben did it last week by creating an imaginary competition and now you did the same to counter his argument and espouse a new yardstick for success. Why not just use the current one and lets say the Boks have won 4 world cups making them the most successful world cup team. Outside of the world cup the All Blacks are the most successful team winning countless rugby championships and dominating the rankings with high win percentages. Over the last 4 years statistically the Irish are the best having the highest win rate and also having positive records against every tier 1 side. The most successful Northern team in the game has been England with a world cup title and the most six nations titles in history. The AB’s are the most dominant team in history with the highest win rate and 3 world cups. Lets not try to reinvent the wheel. Just be honest about the actual stats and what each team has been good at doing and that will be enough to define their level of success.
26 Go to commentsHow is 7’s played there? I’m surprised 10 or 11 man rugby hasn’t taken off. 7 just doesn’t fit the 15s dynamics (rules n field etc) but these other versions do.
9 Go to commentsPick Swinton at your peril A liability just like JWH from the Roosters Skelton ??? went missing at RWC
14 Go to commentsLike tennis, who have a ranking system, and I believe rugby too, just measure over each period preceding a world cup event who was the longest number one and that would be it. In tennis the number one player frequently is not the grand slam winner. I love and adore the All Blacks since the days of Ian Kirkpatrick when I was a kid in SA. And still do because they are the masters of running rugby and are gentleman on and off the field - in general. And in my opinion they have been the majority of the time the best rugby team in the world.
26 Go to commentsHaving overseas possessions in 2024 is absurd. These Frenchies should have to give the New Caledonians their freedom.
21 Go to commentsBell injured his foot didn’t he? Bring Tupou in he’ll deliver when it counts. Agree mostly but I would switch in the Reds number 8 Harry Wilson for Swinton and move Rob Valentini to 6 instead. Wilson is a clever player who reads the play, you can’t outmuscle the AB’s and Springboks, if you have any chance it’s by playing clever. Same goes for Paisami, he’s a little guy who doesn’t really trouble the likes of De Allende and Jordie Barrett. I’d rather play Carter Gordon at 12 and put Michael Lynagh’s boy at 10. That way you get a BMT type goalkicker at 10 and a playmaker at 12. Anyways, just my two cents as a Bok supporter.
14 Go to commentsThanks Brett, love your articles which are alway pertinent. It’s a difficult topic trying to have a panel adjudicating consistently penalties for red card issues. Many of the mitigating reasons raised are judged subjectively, hence the different outcomes. How to take away subjective opinions?
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