Eddie Jones, Steve Hansen confirm their Barbarians, World XV teams

Well on the elevated camera (not the low angle one the South African TV people kept wanting to show!!) I could clearly see daylight. So an onfield try would have been overturned👍

Didn't our guys look just as gassed to you? Maybe that why Razor threw TJ on!

Um, I don't think you're right in that 'fact' about foul play SB. I just sounds like the typical moaning SA fans did after Sam Cane's red in the world cup final, after there own captain had done the same or worse, taken out Frenchmen the previous game, and lost domestic titles due to their own nations offences. Don't you think it is hypocritical to talk about New Zealanders? Or is that in fact why you are trying to put Kiwi's in the same boat as others?

I would venture you've fallen into the media hole. It's easy to look at things like number of cards in isolation, for someone to cherry pick data and others to swallow it whole. I would need to do some research to see a problem developing with NZ rugby.

To me, on the surface without digging into it, they have mostly felt hard done by, so I'd suggest to anyone that they simply haven't adapted to the changing laws rather than having changed (their rugby style) themselves. I think if you did look you would find all sanctions were mitigated down to the most minimal suspensions possible. The only bad act I recall was Sonny-Bill Williams in Lions 2 with his league tackle. For him, it would just go down into the 'stupid' category.

So if you don't wont to look stupid throwing around the word 'fact', you should at least be able to back it up when you do try it ;)

We actually looked dangerous with ratima giving quick service in the first half. Then TJ goes to slow mo and we lose all go forward.

The bomb squad can't be countered with slow ball. They need to move the big boys around as much as possible not let them get set and easily pick off our attacking runners.

TJ needs to be sent off to Japan early and reece and telea need to pick up their games massively.

Rugby pass seem to have a different scale for each player based on the authors expectations or how much he likes them.

Can't fathom how Moodie and Reece both were a 3.

Too many true rugby fans (and analysts) don't understand that.

I wouldn't imagine there is a date aye. It was a long decline rugby in SA and Australia was going through, and was so bad it even effected NZ, caused them to argue to can a couple of teams. The nation of SA probably grew into it? I know I watch more of the NH now specifically because of the SR teams playing there. I actually had to mention to Nick Bishop (because of his stubborn perspective) the other day that I've never been a fan of Super Rugby, I don't think they chose the right way to go about professionalism back in 1995. Unfortunately, NZR was stuck between a rock and a hard place, because it had SA's and Australians that ran their unions by States, so we had to separate into "two or three" teams as a result. Our game is in the kak now because of it, they want to kill off the lifeblood of our National Provincial Championship. But now we might see a way out of it, so it's all good.

Rassie must have read my comments comparing Ethan to PSdT using it to put the 'niggles' into New Zealand! Does this accompli mean we can compare Frost to PSdT as well? :D