'Let's face it, rugby is no longer the national game of Wales'
Sardis Road might just be the last place you would expect to bump into David Moffett.
In 2004 it was Moffett who, in his role as Welsh Rugby Union (WRU) chief executive, oversaw the disbanding of the Celtic Warriors and made himself public enemy number one for rugby fans in Pontypridd. For some, the hurt of watching the team go to the wall still lingers.
But a decade on from the Warriors’ demise the Doncaster-born businessman, who was in the midst of a failed attempt to return to the WRU as chairman, took up an invitation to the famous old ground from a “died in the wool” Ponty fan who had become a friend.
“I actually went and stood in the shed,” Moffett tells RugbyPass.
“People gave me the time of day, [but] they called me all the names under the sun.
“I said, ‘fair enough, mate but you went broke’.”
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Moffett had initially arrived in Wales midway through the 2002-03 season with the domestic game at a crossroads and became the architect of regional rugby’s introduction.
He had proposed a four-team solution – which included a side based in the north – but says the threat of legal action from Cardiff and Llanelli if they were forced to merge with other clubs, forced his and the WRU’s hand.
Five Welsh regions competed in the 2003-04 Celtic League and Heineken Cup before the Warriors departed at the end of that season to leave the four that, for the time being, remain.
“When I first got there I suggested that there should be four teams. One from the north, east, south and west,” Moffett explains.
“But of course, and I know where I got diverted, under the loyalty agreements, Cardiff and Llanelli threatened to sue the union if we forced them into an amalgamation.
The number of rugby regions could be reduced from 4 to 3 in south Wales, leading to 1 being formed in north Wales.
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“They were the only two clubs that didn’t actually form an amalgamation with any of the other clubs, and that was because they wanted to sit on their own hands.”
Although the prospect of a region in north Wales now appears to be back on the table, Moffett believes it would be a travesty if it was the Ospreys that made way.
“Even now, for [the Cardiff Blues and Scarlets] to be rewarded with ‘super club’ status instead of the other two regions, especially, the Ospreys,” he adds. “They’ve been the best-performing region, they’ve done the right thing by regional rugby.
“It would be an utter disgrace to reward Llanelli and Cardiff as the two-plus-two option, if that’s what they’re promoting.
“Can you imagine what that will do to the Ospreys supporters? They’ll just turn off and watch football. Let’s face it, rugby is no longer the national game of Wales.”
Moffett says that his biggest regret from his time at the WRU is “not understanding, to the extent that I needed to, the psyche of the Welsh rugby supporter”.
But he claims the reasons regional rugby has failed in Wales are primarily two-fold; financial mismanagement at the union under Roger Lewis and David Pickering, and the insularity of supporters in the country.
And he believes the latter could prevent a solution from being found to the current impasse.
“After about four years it became fairly apparent that [the regions] just were not going to be able to break through the parochialism and stubbornness of the average Welsh rugby fan,” Moffett says.
“And unfortunately Welsh rugby fans believe that they are the only parochial rugby fans in the world, and that’s not right. They don’t have a mortgage on parochialism.
“In New Zealand there’s just as much… but they put the game first. They don’t put the game first in Wales unfortunately.
“Having 20/20 [vision] is always good in insight but nobody did anything – especially Lewis as chief executive officer – he did nothing in the time that he was there to fully understand the situation that was developing and then do something to fix it.”
Moffett cites social and economic changes to life in South Wales as factors in the ongoing struggles faced by the regions.
He adds: “That psyche of the Welsh rugby supporter hasn’t changed – and it won’t change.
“I can’t see how you can change it. When you’ve got guys still saying on Twitter and other places that Pontypridd should have a professional team there, then you’ve got no chance.”
Moffett believes that the WRU would have been in a better position to deal with the problems associated with regional rugby – while funding the community game – had Lewis and Pickering not made the decision to repay the union’s existing debt early.
“They could have fixed it when they were awash with cash, as Lewis said ‘Ah, we had to do something with all this cash’,” he says.
“No, they didn’t [have to]. Bloody sit on it and make it grow.”
Moffett laid out his plans to save regional rugby in his 2014 manifesto ahead of the WRU EGM he forced that year. The ‘Moffesto’ included some recommendations that have since come to fruition, including selling the Principality Stadium naming rights.
Current WRU chairman Gareth Davies was also blocked in his attempts to implement another, swapping the union’s district system for five regional boards. According to Moffett, this would put the teams at the heart of their regions and provide the “proper identity” they need to survive.
But if regional rugby in Wales is to do that, let alone prosper, then the former WRU chief executive believes the union should look beyond the PRO14.
Moffett is confident the “fortunes of Welsh rugby would be entirely different” had the clubs joined the English league system following the rebel season of 1998-99.
“Even now, were it not for the fact that the English Premiership is full of selfish and inward looking people, they would look around them and say ‘what are we doing to this game?’,” he says.
“They need to understand that unless they embrace what’s good for the game rather than themselves [rugby] is going to become an ever tightening niche sport.
“I can see a time coming, to be perfectly honest with you, where the only competitions worth anything and worth playing in are going to be the Top 14 and the English Premiership.”
Moffett left Wales in 2005 because he “didn’t have the inclination for another fight” but the 69-year-old hinted that he might have found a second, or third, wind.
“I’d be more than happy to go across there and help them in a very positive way,” he admits. “Last time I was there I was very negative about Welsh rugby and I did that for a reason.
“But I’d be more than happy, because nobody there has been through what I’ve been through.”
Moffett adds: “It can be solved but the one thing you can’t solve is, you can’t make people watch something they don’t want to watch.”
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Big difference from the Saders. Forwards really muscled up and laid a solid platform. Scooter brought some steel and I liked the loosie combination. Newell has been rather disappointing this season but stepped up big time - happy also to see Franks dot down. He should do that more often! Reihana had a good game and there seems to be more flair and invention with him in the saddle. McNicoll plays well from the back and is reliable plus inventive when he joins the line. Keep it up chaps!
3 Go to comments🤦♂️🤣 who cares who’s the best . All I know is the All Blacks have the star coach but have few star players now …
30 Go to commentsJe suis sûr que Farrell est impatient de jouer avec Lopez et Machenaud et d’être entraîné par Collazo… 🤭
1 Go to commentsAn on field red (aka a full red) in SRP must surely carry a bigger suspension than a red card given by the bunker as that carries a 20 minute team punishment. Had Damon Murphy abdicated his responsibility as a ref and issued both Drua players a yellow, which would have been upgraded to a 20 minute red by the bunker, that would have killed Australia and New Zealand’s push for the 20 minute red to be trialled globally from July this year.
11 Go to commentsEver so often you all post a Danny Care story that isn’t the announcement that he has finally re-signed for one more, victory tour season at Quins and I’m just like, “well you fooled me again!” My absolute favorite player ever, we need to make his final year at the Stoop (and Twickers) official already. I know he supposedly snubbed France but I won’t feel better until he signs.
1 Go to commentslate hit what late hit it wasn’t at all late and can clearly see he was committed before the tackle
1 Go to commentsChristian Lio -Willies 2 try perfomance was a standout. As was captain Scott Barrett. Up front was where the boys won it.They are a great team and players. Fantastic Crusaders , you can keep going.
3 Go to commentsI don't know how the locals feel about that? I guess if you call yourselves the Worcester Wasps that might be appease. But really we need more teams in the Premiership in my view so they are not padding it out as they are at the moment. It might curtail so many players going abroad as well
5 Go to commentsNZ 😭😭😭is certainly rivaling England for best whingers cup!😭😭😭 !!!
30 Go to commentsYup. New Zealand won 3 out of 10 world cups played. SA 4 out of 8 attempts 30 Vs 50 per cent.🤔🤔
30 Go to commentsShould've done this years ago. Change Saturday kick off times to around 11am. Up and off and back home before 3pm, limit travel time too. Allows players to actually do something else with their Saturday that's family oriented or being rugby fans they could ‘watch’ pro rugby. Increases crowds etc. How can anyone that enjoys grassroots and pro rugby have to choose between the two on Saturdays?
9 Go to commentsI bet he inspired those supporters just as much.
1 Go to commentsBen Smith Springboks living rent free in his head 😊😂
67 Go to commentsGood to hear he would like to play the game at the highest level, I hadn’t been to sure how much of a motivator that was before now. Sadly he’s probably chosen the rugby club to go to. Try not to worry about all the input about how you should play rugby Joey and just try to emulate what you do on the league field and have fun. You’ll limit your game too much (well not really because he’s a standard athlete like SBW and he’ll still have enough) if you’re trying to make sure you can recycle the ball back etc. On the other hard, you can totally just try and recycle by looking to offload any and everywhere if you’re going to ground 😋
1 Go to commentsThis just proves that theres always a stat and a metric to use to justify your abilities and your success. Ben did it last week by creating an imaginary competition and now you did the same to counter his argument and espouse a new yardstick for success. Why not just use the current one and lets say the Boks have won 4 world cups making them the most successful world cup team. Outside of the world cup the All Blacks are the most successful team winning countless rugby championships and dominating the rankings with high win percentages. Over the last 4 years statistically the Irish are the best having the highest win rate and also having positive records against every tier 1 side. The most successful Northern team in the game has been England with a world cup title and the most six nations titles in history. The AB’s are the most dominant team in history with the highest win rate and 3 world cups. Lets not try to reinvent the wheel. Just be honest about the actual stats and what each team has been good at doing and that will be enough to define their level of success.
30 Go to commentsHow is 7’s played there? I’m surprised 10 or 11 man rugby hasn’t taken off. 7 just doesn’t fit the 15s dynamics (rules n field etc) but these other versions do.
9 Go to commentsPick Swinton at your peril A liability just like JWH from the Roosters Skelton ??? went missing at RWC
14 Go to commentsLike tennis, who have a ranking system, and I believe rugby too, just measure over each period preceding a world cup event who was the longest number one and that would be it. In tennis the number one player frequently is not the grand slam winner. I love and adore the All Blacks since the days of Ian Kirkpatrick when I was a kid in SA. And still do because they are the masters of running rugby and are gentleman on and off the field - in general. And in my opinion they have been the majority of the time the best rugby team in the world.
30 Go to commentsHaving overseas possessions in 2024 is absurd. These Frenchies should have to give the New Caledonians their freedom.
21 Go to commentsBell injured his foot didn’t he? Bring Tupou in he’ll deliver when it counts. Agree mostly but I would switch in the Reds number 8 Harry Wilson for Swinton and move Rob Valentini to 6 instead. Wilson is a clever player who reads the play, you can’t outmuscle the AB’s and Springboks, if you have any chance it’s by playing clever. Same goes for Paisami, he’s a little guy who doesn’t really trouble the likes of De Allende and Jordie Barrett. I’d rather play Carter Gordon at 12 and put Michael Lynagh’s boy at 10. That way you get a BMT type goalkicker at 10 and a playmaker at 12. Anyways, just my two cents as a Bok supporter.
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