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You've lost the plot of you think Love should be the fullback. That is waaay more out of leftfield than anything else I've heard.

I'm not sure Jordan can remain in the team either way. What it actually sounds like you're saying, is you want a balanced approach Jordan playing fullback next year, that he gets say 6 or 8 games through to the RC and should be looked at being in immediate contention with someone like Love, or whoever else, has played well, for the November tour.

I'm absolutely down with that. Jordan is going to have a full SR season for the first time next year, to work on facets of his game that he's never had analyzed before because of only being selected on the wing by the All Blacks. That change is huge. You can not underestimate the learning experience that this year would have been and how valuable (touch wood) and full season will be actually targeting what he felt were work ons, rather than just making stuff up or trying to improve on his strengths.

So, first of all, we should expect him to return better than how he finished, and then we'd need to see some further improvement (if it he doesn't just immediatly smash it) over July and the RC. That doesn't mean we need to see him doing what you say. He can get on great at the top level with a very limited kicking and passing game (which would be a huge improvement over BB who had a limited and innacurate kick/pass game), we need to see him comfortable with he can do in making the right decisions first and foremost. So I'd be very happy to see him working on his strength in contact under high balls and covering the backline, not see him kicking the ball down defenders throats, and trying more interplay on his returns. What I can't see, is him improving as a right winger. All his wing player success is in the style of a fullback. Probably only pure speed (working really hard to get his body/speed back to 100) would help him imo, and that's obviously a hindrance to his chances as a fullback.

TLDR; I think the poor counter attacking ability of the All Blacks has been one of the key reasons their standards have dipped over the years, and what you're suggesting is promoting that continuing. No thanks. This is not a discussion of specific players like you're making out, but of your mentality of the ABs essentially continuing with the dual playmaker setup.

If you don't want to take my advise that you don't have a correct train of thought when looking at this subject, then that's at you problem.

TO BE CLEAR nothing of what you just said has anything to do with those performances not being valuable to a coach. You also fail to recognize the same team went within 1 point a few weeks later after they'd had time to evaluate. That is exactly how you can see who players you want can respond. With a bunch of injured players back the follow year they were still that +/- 1 against the ABs.

And everyone knows they were a complete mess. Their game was DESTROYED by the effects of transformation but it was a critical part of their progress, to which Rassie has done a marvelous job at balancing. I really don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.

Ioane is a wing.

Both players chose to go because NZR weren't prepared to value them at their worth. They believed they were worse than how they ended up playing in 23 (both had signed overseas in 22).

No. It obviously doesnt start going down hill when the results start to get affected. Triggers happen years before they are played out in poor performances. I'm afraid you're not going to progress until you can look yourself in the mirror and say 'BB is symptomatic of NZs decline" HHT.

As has been discussed over numerous articles in the last year, BB is a terrible flyhalf. He also didn't suit the All Blacks at fullback after he lost his confidence due to severe concussion symptoms. He only returned to form this year. I just watched the WC Final again until Frizell went off and he was terrible and a big part of the reason we lost.

It's what the private school toffs do. They have a born to rule mentality, even tho they are complete failures. That is why they will only tolerate Tah coaches or weak kiwis they know they can control. A kiwi on a million Australian dollars a year will do anything the largest franchise in Australia tells him to do. He's only here for the money.

That's why Ewen McKenzie was the ideal candidate, even tho Hooper and Beale still set out straight away to undermine him to get Cheika installed but the next best alternative is to have a group of coaches from some of the franchises, except the Tahs, (not the Western Force with kiwi Cron - who is hopeless), to keep the Tahs in their place. The Wallabies must also not have more than 3 Tah players in the squad. Otherwise they will start scheming again under instruction from the NSW administration. The Tahs have spent the last 20 years undermining the Wallabies to get more players than they deserved in the squad. Their NSW egos are more important to them than the Wallabies.

I can't see why a triumverate of Super Rugy coaches can't coach the Wallabies too. I could include MacKellar in there as well but he has shown himself to select on favoritism rather than ability based on the ridiculous number of sub standard Brumbies who got a game under Rennie. He's not much of a Queenslander but the Tahs will stab in the back in a flash too eventually.

Ireland picked one player for a couple of seasons ten years ago but they've been firm ever since. Meanwhile England's captain and first choice ten has gone to France and they have stood firm. Same when Armitage was player of the year and England didn't have another specialist openside.

What I believe is mindless is that some people can only see the one player who is absent and refuse to consider the wider ramifications to our game as a whole.