The Ardie Savea question looming for Hurricanes
The Hurricanes currently boast perhaps the best loose forward trio in Super Rugby Pacific. Numerous backrowers wearing the yellow swirl have found a new vein of form in 2024, demanding consideration for higher honours.
However, next year will bring the return of the reigning World Rugby Player of the Year in Ardie Savea, currently enjoying a sabbatical in Japan.
Given there isn’t a team in the world Savea wouldn’t start for, his presence is sure to come at the expense of one of the Hurricanes’ rising stars when it comes to playing time.
As it stands, the Hurricanes’ depth is such that All Blacks XV flanker Du’Plessis Kirifi is forced to come off the bench, becoming one of the strongest impact players in the competition.
Adding Savea to that mix complicates an already crowded talent pool.
“I look at it and think where do the other guys fit? How do they look at their future?” Former All Black Jeff Wilson queried on The Breakdown. “If you’re Brayden Iose, if you’re Devan Flanders, you’re going ‘hold on, what is it I’m going to do now? What is my role? How many starting opportunities am I going to get?’
“You’ve got Brad Shields who’s come in, is an old head, didn’t play early in the season, but is showing some real value right now.
“There’s some decisions for some players to make. I see them building depth, but by the same token, I don’t want to stop some of these young guys continuing to keep developing.”
Savea’s absence has not just exposed the young talent that has been developing in the shadows of Wellington, but handed leadership opportunities and responsibility to other team members.
Wilson believes a more communal leadership structure has benefitted and empowered the squad, to the point they can claim the competition’s favourites tag.
“They’ve beaten the Blues and they’ve beaten the Chiefs, probably the other two form sides in this competition, the Brumbies will be a huge challenge when they have them.
“I just look at what they’ve got, what culture they’ve managed to bring in straight away with Clark Laidlaw, he’s settled in really quickly.
“Clearly, there’s a change of leadership; no Ardie Savea in that group. It’s given young players an opportunity and they’ve stepped up. We saw them singing that song after the game right? All of a sudden there’s an energy in that group, there’s a belief. And, it’s a shared responsibility versus, I think Ardie took a lot on his shoulders, he really had to carry them in a lot of ways.
“Whereas now, I think the maturity of some of these young players who are now delivering in his position, at No. 8, in the loose forwards. I think they’re really strong in key areas.
“One thing they can always get, they’ve got plenty of guys who can carry the ball and get themselves going forward. Some teams don’t have that.”
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1 Go to commentsSafas are so triggered by Ireland. 3 consecutive losses, incl RWC. 8 losses out of last 12 Tests. Always excuses, of course, with Bok fans. Now Rassie with his “88%” nonsense, the Claytons Excuse is an embarrassment to Bok teams of the past when every test mattered. Their fickle mojo will be on edge for the Ireland tour. Have the referees been appointed yet ? They will need security. Have WR laid out strict guidelines for TMO’s and replays on the stadium screens ? Will the constant stoppages from Bok forwards for cramps and bootlaces be tolerated ? We’re not talking a dominant Springbok team here, they won the LOTTO Cup and they know it whether they admit it or not. The Disney doco has their fans positively fermenting internally, its going to be a nasty hangover if they get beaten on home soil. What will the excuses be then……
74 Go to commentsGreat role model.
2 Go to commentsOne significant tell, not a single Waratahs player stopped to whinge to the ref about Finau’s tackle. They got on with playing the game. Great tackle.
8 Go to commentsWouldn’t be a bad move if Ireland pulled into SA with a young side. Particularly in Pretoria. Invaluable experience getting thumped in the bosveld.
74 Go to commentsIreland. The Princess Diana of Rugby. I never cheered so much for a team as i did for the All Blacks in that QF.
74 Go to commentsWill be great to see the Leinster first XV back in action again after their cotton wool time…
1 Go to commentsLooked up Grant Constable on google and reply was doppelgänger for Ben Smith
74 Go to commentsIt is so good that we now all get excited and debate who is best and emotionally get involved. We all back our teams which is great. Up until about 15-20 years ago, NZ was basically on its own, and then Saffa, Aussie and sometimes French and English were there. We now have at least 5-6 really top sides and another 4 who keep improving. This is so healthy. So we should not resort to rubbish comments and unhealthy debate, but rather all be chuffed that the product we watch is not competitive, exciting and often uncertain. It would be so good if World Rugger could find a way to align the rules to professional players as well as spectators. Live rugby games are SO boring as there is SO much down time as we wait for refs and TMOs and whoever else to look at every small event going back endless phases with the hope of eventually find a minute infringement to then decide cancel what was a wonderful try. This is the ultimate cork back in the bottle moment and feels like every balloon is always being popped. Come on- we must be better with the rules.
74 Go to comments“upon leaving said establishment I tripped over a stool knocking some bottles into the air and as I fell I accidently dislodged a police officer’s teaser who was passing by on an unrelated matter there by landing on said taser which caused it to discharge 50,000 watts into me. Out of shock I shouted Ireland are going to win the world cup. Upon waking up I apologised for the distress caused by my Ireland comment. The matter is closed. If you wish to pursue this matter may I remind you what I told Wayne Barnes when he sent me off. I AM A BIG ASS MAN”. Or was it “I AM A BIG ASS, MAN” or was it “I AM A BIG ASSMAN”?
2 Go to commentsThe only championship the Boks hold are: Great value for the incompetence of referees during the RWC Moaning endlessly and champions of spewing utterly ignorant 💩 at all times. Displaying the dangers of a third world education End of.
74 Go to commentsSouth Africa and Rassie do a phenomenal job of treating the 4 years in between World Cups as nothing more than a training exercise to build squad depth. The Six Nations money that keeps Irish rugby afloat is unfortunately too important to allow the same approach, and basic population size means we'll never get close to matching the depth of South Africa, England and France. That being said, Irish rugby is in a relatively good place and slowly improving inch by inch. If the other three provinces can pull the finger out and actually develop some players it'd be even better.
74 Go to commentsGood on Clarke for taking on the criticism and addressing his deficiencies, principally his laziness.
2 Go to comments“It is the people’s favourite against the actual favourite. It is the people’s champions against the actual champions. I’m joking, but it’s going to be a fantastic series.” Why did Darcy make that joke knowing it would be used as click bait? Why did RP headline it as a serious comment? Anyway, the tired comment isn’t very astute. SA players may have played more games etc. Darcy over estimated as a pundit.
74 Go to commentsNot sure Frisch will ever make the French team with Depoortère and Costes waiting in the wings to take over from Danty and Fickou.
1 Go to commentsThe Irish are tired and the Boks are old. The test series won't confirm who is best in the world, it will confirm which team needs to pursue the task of rebuilding with the most urgency.
74 Go to commentsGrant, the first time I have seen an article written by you. Maybe I have missed your previous stuff. These days all professional players effectively play a common season so all top players are equally tired, or rested. That is the job of the coaching ticket to build squad depth and juggle resources so players are ‘ fresh’ when the big games come. Possibly Ireland are less inclined to juggle squad compared to Rassie, who is prepared to take the risk to rest players as well as build depth throughout the year so come WC he has a full squad, experienced and rested enough to win 7 games. After all, to win WC you need to get through the tournament and then win the final big 3 games. Ireland should try and build a bit so come final 3 they are ready. So far only played final 1(QF). I am so looking forward to the Irish tour. Hopefully Rassie has enough time to align his guys, as he draws them from across the globe, and not from 2 sides locally( eg Leinster, Munster). No excuses, going to be exciting.
74 Go to commentsIn football, teams get fined and sometimes docked points for deliberately fielding weakened teams yet Leinster can pretty much do as they please with no comebacks. Could it be because Ireland run the URC? Could it be that Ireland run the ERC? Whichever it is, it stinks!!
6 Go to commentsIreland are only the People’s Champions in Irish eyes. The rest of the world do not care for them very much because of attitudes of people like Gordon, Ferris, Best, Jackman…I could go on!!
74 Go to commentsNot sure how Karl Dickson can ever ref a Quins game, he played for the club for 8 years as understudy to Care and is still close friends with half the team
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