'Hammer everyone else': Women's British & Irish Lions tour questioned
The proposal of an inaugural British and Irish Lions women’s tour has sparked discussion over just how the exciting concept would work.
Former England player Shaunagh Brown expressed support for such a concept, calling it the ‘ultimate honour’ in the men’s game. A women’s version would allow for further growth on the global stage.
Lions chief executive Ben Calveley concluded after a feasibility study: “It is extremely positive that a British and Irish Lions women’s tour is possible in the future.”
But there are concerns over the competitiveness of a would-be series with the powers that make up the British & Irish Lions making for a formidable side.
The Red Roses would be expected to dominate selections after going on a 30-Test winning streak that ended in 2022 at the hands of the Black Ferns in the World Cup final.
The England women’s team have their toughest competition against France in the Six Nations, but routinely pile on the points against the others. They finished with 282 points for and 22 points against in the 2022 tournament, with 45 tries scored and just four conceded.
In the Southern Hemisphere, only the world champion Black Ferns present viable competition with Australia and South Africa not yet fully professional.
England demolished the Springbok women side 75-0 while in the quarter-final they handily beat the Wallaroos by 41-5 in wet conditions. The Lions side would be expected to sweep both series comfortably.
Women’s rugby writer and RugbyPass columnist Ali Donnelly wrote there is “genuinely no point in a women’s Lions tour” unless they are touring New Zealand or France as they would “hammer everyone else”.
Genuinely no point in a women’s Lions tour playing anyone rn other than France or NZ – they’d hammer everyone else. Canada next best option but over a test series (they’re largely amateur) they’d struggle & what’s the point of going for something uncompetitive? https://t.co/yuLhVAMeqS
— Ali Donnelly (@AliDonnelly) February 27, 2023
Canada was floated as a potential option who were able to push England to the brink in their World Cup semi-final last November.
Another idea pushed forward was for the Lions to take on a Barbarian side which would go down a unique path compared to the men’s tours.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Tour the Lions against the Barbarians. Two best of the best teams facing off against each other!
— Matt Merritt (he/him) (@MattMerritt) February 28, 2023
The commercial viability of the tour was also questioned, with views on both sides. The strength of the Lions brand was raised as a key pulling force, with travelling fans expected to rally behind the cause.
The Lions are rugby’s biggest brand and the men can attract 40,000 travelling fans – this is about opening up rugby’s greatest team to even more people and will grow the women’s game
— Paul Morgan (@PaulMorganMedia) February 28, 2023
Following the success of the women’s Rugby World Cup in New Zealand, a three test series between the Black Ferns and the women’s British & Irish Lions side is an intriguing prospect.
New Zealand would provide competitiveness whilst the World Cup final showed that supporters will sell out Eden Park if the occasion fits.
The Black Ferns new fan base in New Zealand has grown following the World Cup and the appetite for a blockbuster event such as a Lions tour could capitalise on this new audience.
A successful series could prove to be a huge boost to the women’s game. With tours every four years, when other nations are competitive they could be added to the rotation.
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3 Go to comments🤦♂️🤣 who cares who’s the best . All I know is the All Blacks have the star coach but have few star players now …
30 Go to commentsJe suis sûr que Farrell est impatient de jouer avec Lopez et Machenaud et d’être entraîné par Collazo… 🤭
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11 Go to commentsEver so often you all post a Danny Care story that isn’t the announcement that he has finally re-signed for one more, victory tour season at Quins and I’m just like, “well you fooled me again!” My absolute favorite player ever, we need to make his final year at the Stoop (and Twickers) official already. I know he supposedly snubbed France but I won’t feel better until he signs.
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3 Go to commentsI don't know how the locals feel about that? I guess if you call yourselves the Worcester Wasps that might be appease. But really we need more teams in the Premiership in my view so they are not padding it out as they are at the moment. It might curtail so many players going abroad as well
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30 Go to commentsYup. New Zealand won 3 out of 10 world cups played. SA 4 out of 8 attempts 30 Vs 50 per cent.🤔🤔
30 Go to commentsShould've done this years ago. Change Saturday kick off times to around 11am. Up and off and back home before 3pm, limit travel time too. Allows players to actually do something else with their Saturday that's family oriented or being rugby fans they could ‘watch’ pro rugby. Increases crowds etc. How can anyone that enjoys grassroots and pro rugby have to choose between the two on Saturdays?
9 Go to commentsI bet he inspired those supporters just as much.
1 Go to commentsBen Smith Springboks living rent free in his head 😊😂
67 Go to commentsGood to hear he would like to play the game at the highest level, I hadn’t been to sure how much of a motivator that was before now. Sadly he’s probably chosen the rugby club to go to. Try not to worry about all the input about how you should play rugby Joey and just try to emulate what you do on the league field and have fun. You’ll limit your game too much (well not really because he’s a standard athlete like SBW and he’ll still have enough) if you’re trying to make sure you can recycle the ball back etc. On the other hard, you can totally just try and recycle by looking to offload any and everywhere if you’re going to ground 😋
1 Go to commentsThis just proves that theres always a stat and a metric to use to justify your abilities and your success. Ben did it last week by creating an imaginary competition and now you did the same to counter his argument and espouse a new yardstick for success. Why not just use the current one and lets say the Boks have won 4 world cups making them the most successful world cup team. Outside of the world cup the All Blacks are the most successful team winning countless rugby championships and dominating the rankings with high win percentages. Over the last 4 years statistically the Irish are the best having the highest win rate and also having positive records against every tier 1 side. The most successful Northern team in the game has been England with a world cup title and the most six nations titles in history. The AB’s are the most dominant team in history with the highest win rate and 3 world cups. Lets not try to reinvent the wheel. Just be honest about the actual stats and what each team has been good at doing and that will be enough to define their level of success.
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30 Go to commentsHaving overseas possessions in 2024 is absurd. These Frenchies should have to give the New Caledonians their freedom.
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