Jones: No regrets over 'gut feeling' subs policy that hurt England
England boss Eddie Jones has insisted he has no regrets regarding his decision-making at Murrayfield during last Saturday’s Guinness Six Nations loss to Scotland. His team were in control having bounced back from a 6-10 interval deficit to silence the home crowd and lead 17-10 with just over 15 minutes remaining of the championship opener in Edinburgh.
However, after making a quadruple substitution that included the removal of lone points scorer Marcus Smith, England imploded coming down the finishing straight, sparking a huge outpouring of criticism about the coach and the way his team lost its way.
He explained on Tuesday, when England started back training for their round two match versus Italy in Rome next Sunday, that his decisions regarding his use of replacements are more dependent on his gut feeling rather than data-driven by live in-game statistics, a policy he eventually shed light on following an initial testy reaction when asked questions about his Murrayfield finishers.
“I’m in charge of it, mate, so my opinion is the only one that counts and we have a plan like every coach does but we adjust it to what is happening in the game,” he said when first quizzed how much of his bench use was pre-prescribed and how much of it was reactive.
His disquiet continued when the follow-up question was: “Could you give us a context of why Harry Randall stayed on the bench, why was it right for Ben Youngs to stay on?”
“I’m not going to go through each player and discuss my replacement plan,” retorted Jones. “As I have said, we have moved on to Italy, mate. That is all retrospective and really not of much value going forward. The only thing I am worried about is Italy.”
Later in the session, however, Jones mellowed when questioned more tactfully and by the end of the briefing he had explained there were four core elements that generally fed into his thinking when it came to making replacements during an England game and that criticism of his choices doesn’t affect him.
“Everyone had got a judgment and I’ll tell you, I have been a television commentator and I was the smartest coach in the world, I got everything right and it is easy with the hindsight of a replay to get everything right. I don’t have any regrets about what happened on Saturday in terms of the replacements we made.
“There were a number of circumstances that happened that didn’t control what we would have liked to have done with the replacements. As you know, we got a yellow card which upset the applecart a little bit which we weren’t planning on.
“In going forward the big thing for me is we have got a squad of 23 and we want to maximise the squad of 23 and how much time a replacement gets depends on the performance of the starting guy and what he has been showing at training, so we will always be weighing those things up, looking at the game. It’s quite a complicated equation of what we look at and it is not as simple as maybe it is made out to be.”
Could Jones go into any detail on the ‘complicated equation’ to help explain the process of substitutions to fans who watch his England team? “It’s a good question and I’m happy to go into that generically because it changes for every game. There is no one formula. What we try to do is assess the momentum in the game so then we try to assess whether we can make changes that can add to the momentum of the game or change the momentum of the game. That is one thing.
“Secondly, then we look at the major contests in the game, where are we winning, where can we add to that and if we are not winning, what are the contests we need to start winning to win the game.
“Then thirdly or fourthly you are looking at the performance of the player who started not only in terms of his skill but also in terms of his physical capacity and the sort of game it is, whether it is a high running game, a slower game with a lot of breaks, and then we are looking at the form of the finisher. How impressive have they been during the week, can they add to the situation?
“So we are weighing up all those four things. Do we have a plan going into games? We have a rough plan but we don’t just follow the plan. We try to make decisions based on those things,” he said, going on to add his thoughts about in-game data.
“We really don’t get any good live data during the game. It is more about what we are seeing and what we are feeling and I have got four assistant coaches feeding into me with their thoughts and we try to collate those. Sometimes it will be based on what they say and what they feel and sometimes it will be based on what I feel, and we try to come to the best decisions.
“We get basic stats on actions but they don’t tell us anything more than we know. We don’t get any live GPS because of the stadiums, we don’t have the technology to do that so the information, in reality, hasn’t changed much for 25 years during the game. So it is about your observation, it’s about your gut feeling which is generally based on some data.
“So, for instance, each of the players we know have got a stress signal of when they are tired so we learn that about the players and when we take a player off it is because they have shown us there is some sort of physical distress and they don’t have much left in their tank. There is a little bit of science about that, but a lot of it is still gut feeling.”
The final query on the hot topic for Jones was whether out-half Smith exhibited a ‘stress signal’ that led to his removal and the entrance of George Ford for England at Murrayfield? “I’m not going to go back into the game but I feel at that stage we needed to change things.”
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Ben Smith Springboks living rent free in his head 😊😂
67 Go to commentsGood to hear he would like to play the game at the highest level, I hadn’t been to sure how much of a motivator that was before now. Sadly he’s probably chosen the rugby club to go to. Try not to worry about all the input about how you should play rugby Joey and just try to emulate what you do on the league field and have fun. You’ll limit your game too much (well not really because he’s a standard athlete like SBW and he’ll still have enough) if you’re trying to make sure you can recycle the ball back etc. On the other hard, you can totally just try and recycle by looking to offload any and everywhere if you’re going to ground 😋
1 Go to commentsThis just proves that theres always a stat and a metric to use to justify your abilities and your success. Ben did it last week by creating an imaginary competition and now you did the same to counter his argument and espouse a new yardstick for success. Why not just use the current one and lets say the Boks have won 4 world cups making them the most successful world cup team. Outside of the world cup the All Blacks are the most successful team winning countless rugby championships and dominating the rankings with high win percentages. Over the last 4 years statistically the Irish are the best having the highest win rate and also having positive records against every tier 1 side. The most successful Northern team in the game has been England with a world cup title and the most six nations titles in history. The AB’s are the most dominant team in history with the highest win rate and 3 world cups. Lets not try to reinvent the wheel. Just be honest about the actual stats and what each team has been good at doing and that will be enough to define their level of success.
19 Go to commentsHow is 7’s played there? I’m surprised 10 or 11 man rugby hasn’t taken off. 7 just doesn’t fit the 15s dynamics (rules n field etc) but these other versions do.
7 Go to commentsPick Swinton at your peril A liability just like JWH from the Roosters Skelton ??? went missing at RWC
14 Go to commentsLike tennis, who have a ranking system, and I believe rugby too, just measure over each period preceding a world cup event who was the longest number one and that would be it. In tennis the number one player frequently is not the grand slam winner. I love and adore the All Blacks since the days of Ian Kirkpatrick when I was a kid in SA. And still do because they are the masters of running rugby and are gentleman on and off the field - in general. And in my opinion they have been the majority of the time the best rugby team in the world.
19 Go to commentsHaving overseas possessions in 2024 is absurd. These Frenchies should have to give the New Caledonians their freedom.
21 Go to commentsBell injured his foot didn’t he? Bring Tupou in he’ll deliver when it counts. Agree mostly but I would switch in the Reds number 8 Harry Wilson for Swinton and move Rob Valentini to 6 instead. Wilson is a clever player who reads the play, you can’t outmuscle the AB’s and Springboks, if you have any chance it’s by playing clever. Same goes for Paisami, he’s a little guy who doesn’t really trouble the likes of De Allende and Jordie Barrett. I’d rather play Carter Gordon at 12 and put Michael Lynagh’s boy at 10. That way you get a BMT type goalkicker at 10 and a playmaker at 12. Anyways, just my two cents as a Bok supporter.
14 Go to commentsThanks Brett, love your articles which are alway pertinent. It’s a difficult topic trying to have a panel adjudicating consistently penalties for red card issues. Many of the mitigating reasons raised are judged subjectively, hence the different outcomes. How to take away subjective opinions?
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9 Go to commentsAI is only as good as the information put in, the nuances of the sport, what you see out the corner of the eye, how you sum up in a split second the situation, yes the AI is a tool but will not help win games, more likely contribute to a loss, Rugby Players are not robots, all AI can do if offer a solution not the solution. AI will effect many sports, help train better golfers etc.
45 Go to commentsIt couldn’t have been Ryan Crotty. He wasn’t selected in either World Cup side - they chose Money Bill instead. And Money Bill only cared about himself, and that manager he had, not the team.
26 Go to commentsYawn 🥱 nobody would give a hoot about this new trophy. End of the day we just have to beat Ireland and NZ this year then they can finally shut up 🤐
19 Go to commentsTalking bout Ryan Crotty? Heard Crotty say in a interview once that SBW doesen't care about the team . He went on to say that whenever they lost a big game, SBW would be happy as if nothing happened, according to him someone who cares would look down.. Personally I think Crotty is in the wrong, not for feeling gutted but for expecting others 2 be like him… I have been a bad loser forever as it matters so much to me but good on you SBW for being able to see the bigger picture….
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19 Go to commentsThe rugby championship would be even stronger with Fiji in it… I know it doesen’t fit the long term plans of NZ or Aus but you are robbing a whole nation of being able to see their best players play for Fiji…. Every second player in NZ and AUS teams has Fijian surnames… shame on you!!! World rugby won’t step in either as France and England has now also joined in…. I guess where money is involved it will always be the poor countries missing out….
86 Go to commentsNo surprise there. How hard can it be to pick a ball off the ground and chuck it to a mate? 😂
3 Go to commentsSometimes people just like a moan mate!
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19 Go to comments9 Brumbies! What a joke! The best performing team in Oz! Ditch Skelton for Swain or Neville. Ryan Lonergan ahead of McDermott any day! Best selection bolter is Toole … amazing player
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